What denominations believe Salvation can never be lost?

[Diamond72]

not telling us that to be humble we must wear ropes instead of belts, thin our hair, etc.

The Bible tells us that we ARE to be humble. We humble ourself before God not man. You tell me what the Bible says about Pride. I am sure you know. It is one or the other, pride or humility. This dichotomy has been explored in various religious and philosophical traditions, emphasizing the importance of humility and warning against the dangers of pride. It's a timeless reminder of the values that guide our interactions and personal growth.

Many scriptures talk about pride and humility. The reason I pick this one is because of the visual image that even you pick up on. Visual images like that make it easier for us to remember something.

John Wesley, the founder of Methodism, indeed emphasized the importance of modesty in his teachings. In his Sermon 88, "On Dress," Wesley expressed regret that he had not done more to teach people about the importance of modesty in their dress and presentation. He believed that focusing too much on outward adornment could lead to pride and detract from the more important inner qualities of a meek and quiet spirit.

Wesley's message was that true beauty comes from within and that Christians should focus on cultivating virtues like humility and godliness rather than seeking to impress others with their appearance.

There is a lot that can be said. We could easily write a book about this. Or at least preach a whole sermon on it.

 

[David Lamb]

The Bible tells us that we ARE to be humble. We humble ourself before God not man. You tell me what the Bible says about Pride. I am sure you know. It is one or the other, pride or humility. This dichotomy has been explored in various religious and philosophical traditions, emphasizing the importance of humility and warning against the dangers of pride. It's a timeless reminder of the values that guide our interactions and personal growth.

Many scriptures talk about pride and humility. The reason I pick this one is because of the visual image that even you pick up on. Visual images like that make it easier for us to remember something.

John Wesley, the founder of Methodism, indeed emphasized the importance of modesty in his teachings. In his Sermon 88, "On Dress," Wesley expressed regret that he had not done more to teach people about the importance of modesty in their dress and presentation. He believed that focusing too much on outward adornment could lead to pride and detract from the more important inner qualities of a meek and quiet spirit.

Wesley's message was that true beauty comes from within and that Christians should focus on cultivating virtues like humility and godliness rather than seeking to impress others with their appearance.

There is a lot that can be said. We could easily write a book about this. Or at least preach a whole sermon on it.

Sorry, I think you must have misunderstood what I wrote - probably my fault for not being clear enough, sorry. I agree with what you said that the bible teaches us that we should be humble. What I was saying was that the Isaiah verses you quoted earlier were part of God's judgment against "the wanton daughters of Zion," not instructions to us on how to be humble. We don't have to wear rope instead of a belt, to show that we are humble, for example. I agree with Wesley and you that true beauty comes from within and that Christians should focus on cultivating virtues like humility and godliness rather than seeking to impress others with their appearance.

 

[Diamond72]

true beauty comes

1 Peter 2 talks about this also: "3Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair or gold jewelry or fine clothes, 4but from the inner disposition of your heart, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in God’s sight."

For me the women that wear long dresses and long hair, when they pray at the alter are amazing. 1 corinthians 11 10 talks about how this is for the sake of the angels. My wife even as a methodist is somewhat modest. Not to the extent that some women go to. If she goes swimming she will wear a tee shirt and shorts over her bathing suit. Her neice is the same so maybe it is just something in their culture.

 

[David Lamb]

1 Peter 2 talks about this also: "3Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair or gold jewelry or fine clothes, 4but from the inner disposition of your heart, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in God’s sight."

For me the women that wear long dresses and long hair, when they pray at the alter are amazing. 1 corinthians 11 10 talks about how this is for the sake of the angels. My wife even as a methodist is somewhat modest. Not to the extent that some women go to. If she goes swimming she will wear a tee shirt and shorts over her bathing suit. Her neice is the same so maybe it is just something in their culture.

I agree.

 

[Mark Quayle]

duplication

 

[Mark Quayle]

Which means someone is wrong. Only Paul says someone is approved and someone is NOT approved. "No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval". i Corinthians 11 19

Perhaps it is better to be wrong because then we humble ourselves before God. There is no opportunity to be puffed up with pride about how much better we are than those people who do not know what they are talking about.

Maybe I'm reading you wrong, but it sounds to me like you aren't picking up on Paul's sarcasm.

 

[RileyG]

From what I know Baptist, and Presbyterians do, are there any more?

I never knew Presbyterians do. That's news to me.

 

[RileyG]

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Not sure if it is considered a denomination as free grace believers can be Baptist, Methodist, Non denominational, etc..l
But Free Grace Grace Evangelical Society believes and teaches once a born again child of God always a born again child of God

Ah, yes. There are free Methodists, but they are small in number. I don't know if many Methodists see the sacraments as a means of grace and believe the believer must remain faithful unto the end, and reject OSAS.

I'm not expert in theology, obviously.

 

[Diamond72]

From what I know Baptist, and Presbyterians do, are there any more?

There are several scriptures in the New Testament that are often cited to support the belief that true believers cannot lose their salvation. Here are some key passages:

John 10:28-29 (NIV):​

• Jesus said: "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand."

Romans 8:38-39 (NIV):​

• "For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Ephesians 1:13-14 (NIV):​

• "And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory."

Philippians 1:6 (NIV):​

• "Being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus."

These verses are often interpreted to mean that once someone has truly accepted Christ and is saved, their salvation is secure and cannot be lost. Different Christian denominations may have varying interpretations of these passages, but they are commonly cited in discussions about the assurance of salvation.

 

[d taylor]

Ah, yes. There are free Methodists, but they are small in number. I don't know if many Methodists see the sacraments as a means of grace and believe the believer must remain faithful unto the end, and reject OSAS.

I'm not expert in theology, obviously.

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I do not believe them using Free as part of their name means the same. As they identify, in doctrine, Free Methodists’ beliefs are the standard beliefs of Wesleyan-Arminian Protestantism

• Freedom of all races to worship together in unity.
• Freedom for the poor to be treated with dignity in the church and with justice in the world.
• Freedom for women and men to be treated respectfully and use their gifts equally in the church, in the home, and in the world.
• Freedom for laity to be fairly represented in the governing bodies of the church.
• Freedom from spiritual, political, social or conceptual alliances that compromise or subvert the exclusive allegiance we profess to Jesus Christ.
• Freedom to engage in worship that is moved and inspired by the Holy Spirit.
• Freedom from sin's power through full surrender to God.

 

[RileyG]

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I do not believe them using Free as part of their name means the same. As they identify, in doctrine, Free Methodists’ beliefs are the standard beliefs of Wesleyan-Arminian Protestantism

• Freedom of all races to worship together in unity.
• Freedom for the poor to be treated with dignity in the church and with justice in the world.
• Freedom for women and men to be treated respectfully and use their gifts equally in the church, in the home, and in the world.
• Freedom for laity to be fairly represented in the governing bodies of the church.
• Freedom from spiritual, political, social or conceptual alliances that compromise or subvert the exclusive allegiance we profess to Jesus Christ.
• Freedom to engage in worship that is moved and inspired by the Holy Spirit.
• Freedom from sin's power through full surrender to God.

Thanks for the info.

 

[Diamond72]

Methodists’ beliefs are the standard beliefs of Wesleyan-Arminian Protestantism

Methodists are Anglo not protestant. Wesley began the Holiness movement. He began the teaching on sinless perfection. He asked what sin is God not able to deliver us from? Why do we need to live in bondage? Protantsism is just the opposite. They claim they are free to do what they want and nothing could be further from the truth. Jesus address this when He says: "depart from Me" because of iniquity but some translations say lawlessness.

 

[RileyG]

Methodists are Anglo not protestant. Wesley began the Holiness movement. He began the teaching on sinless perfection. He asked what sin is God not able to deliver us from? Why do we need to live in bondage? Protantsism is just the opposite. They claim they are free to do what they want and nothing could be further from the truth. Jesus address this when He says: "depart from Me" because of iniquity but some translations say lawlessness.

Both Methodists and Anglicans are Protestant. Methodism was founded by an Anglican priest, John Wesley.

 

[Aaron112]

Wesley began the Holiness movement.

Remember Jesus lived before Wesley.
Jesus stated clearly you must be holy (not like it is optional) if you want to be Jesus' disciple/saved.

 

[Aaron112]

part bibliography: Chapter 1 - The Doctrine of Christian Perfection

 

[RileyG]

Remember Jesus lived before Wesley.
Jesus stated clearly you must be holy (not like it is optional) if you want to be Jesus' disciple/saved.

Yes, but he’s referring to a specific movement in Protestant church history.

 

[Diamond72]

Jesus stated clearly you must be holy

Yes exactly, but not everyone believes that. Matthew 5:48 (NIV): "Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

 

[Aaron112]

Yes exactly, but not everyone believes that. Matthew 5:48 (NIV): "Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

There is a wider net /meaning. Whoever BELIEVES and is immersed shall be saved, but whoever DOES NOT BELIEVE shall perish (or even "many are alread condemned because of unbelief"...) Jesus is serious and honest.

 

[Aaron112]

Yes, but he’s referring to a specific movement in Protestant church history.

So?

 

[Diamond72]

Whoever BELIEVES and is immersed shall be saved

What does that mean to "be saved".