Good works necessary in salvation.

[ozso]

I'm asking this for the purpose of starting a conversation, rather than this being a personal question.

There's the age old debate about good works accompanying salvation. Some say good works are a necessary component of salvation. Others say good works automatically take place as a result of salvation.

But here's the question. Either view seems to indicate a lack of good works being a problem.

So what good works is a Christian lacking that puts their salvation in danger or renders it null and void?

What are these Christians supposed to doing, but aren't?

 

[Maria Billingsley]

I'm asking this for the purpose of starting a conversation, rather than this being a personal question.

There's the age old debate about good works accompanying salvation. Some say good works are a necessary component of salvation. Others say good works automatically take place as a result of salvation.

But here's the question. Either view seems to indicate a lack of good works being a problem.

So what good works is a Christian lacking that puts their salvation in danger or renders it null and void?

What are these Christians supposed to doing, but aren't?

Loving one another.

Good works starts by LOVE. It is the catalyst of any good work. So instead of focusing on works, focus on what Jesus Christ of Nazareth teaches us about LOVE. Out of love will come good works.

Blessings

 

[ozso]

Loving one another.

Good works starts by LOVE. It is the catalyst of any good work. So instead of focusing on " works" focus on what Jesus Christ of Nazareth teaches us about LOVE. Out of love will come good works.

Blessings

I'm looking for something less vague if possible. Works is talked about so much as being extremely vital, yet what those works are supposed to be is pretty obscure. Also how those unnamed works are unique to being a Christian is even more obscure.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

I'm looking for something less vague if possible. Works is talked about so much as being extremely vital, yet what those works are supposed to be is pretty obscure. Also how those unnamed works are unique to being a Christian is even more obscure.

Well, no work is worth mentioning if it is done in vain.

 

[ozso]

Well, no work is worth mentioning if it is done in vain.

That's still really vague.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

So what good works is a Christian lacking that puts their salvation in danger or renders it null and void?

Nothing endangers your salvation as salvation cannot be lost. Either Christ atoned for your sins, paid for them and reconciled you to God or He did not. There is no in-between.

 

[ozso]

Nothing endangers your salvation as salvation cannot be lost. Either Christ atoned for your sins, paid for them and reconciled you to God or He did not. There is no in-between.

Usually that view says works are evidence that one is saved. So the question is, what lack of works is evidence one is not saved? What should one be doing but isn't?

 

[d taylor]

I'm asking this for the purpose of starting a conversation, rather than this being a personal question.

There's the age old debate about good works accompanying salvation. Some say good works are a necessary component of salvation. Others say good works automatically take place as a result of salvation.

But here's the question. Either view seems to indicate a lack of good works being a problem.

So what good works is a Christian lacking that puts their salvation in danger or renders it null and void?

What are these Christians supposed to doing, but aren't?

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What salvation are you speaking about.

If it is Eternal life salvation absolutely no.

If you are speaking about a physical salvation, works may play a part in the person receiving salvation.

As Peter tells the believers in Acts 2 when they ask what shall we do. Peter tells them to repent and be baptized. Why, so they may be saved from “Be saved from this perverse generation.”

Why did they need saving because this was the generation that rejected Jesus as The promised Messiah (Matthew 12 blasphemy against the Spirit) . So God withdrew the offer of The Kingdom and judged this generation. Judgment came in 70 A.D.

So to be saved (physically from God coming judgment in 70 A.D.) for Jews who rejected Jesus and indirectly participated in Jesus crucifixion. If they were not a believer then first they had to believe in Jesus. If they were already a believer then they had to do what Peter said to do repent and be baptized. That did the following: remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

 

[eleos1954]

I'm asking this for the purpose of starting a conversation, rather than this being a personal question.

There's the age old debate about good works accompanying salvation. Some say good works are a necessary component of salvation. Others say good works automatically take place as a result of salvation.

But here's the question. Either view seems to indicate a lack of good works being a problem.

So what good works is a Christian lacking that puts their salvation in danger or renders it null and void?

What are these Christians supposed to doing, but aren't?

It's not works that are a problem, rather what is motivating the works. One must acknowledge that any good works they may have is motivated by Jesus through the believer. If one is in Christ they will have good works.

Motivation

 

[ozso]

It's not works that are a problem, rather what is motivating the works. One must acknowledge that any good works they may have is motivated by Jesus through the believer. If one is in Christ they will have good works.

Motivation

I didn't say works are a problem, I said a lack of works is a problem in debates over works.

What's an example of good works as a result of being in Christ?

 

[ozso]

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What salvation are you speaking about.

If it is Eternal life salvation absolutely no.

If you are speaking about a physical salvation, works may play a part in the person receiving salvation.

As Peter tells the believers in Acts 2 when they ask what shall we do. Peter tells them to repent and be baptized. Why, so they may be saved from “Be saved from this perverse generation.”

Why did they need saving because this was the generation that rejected Jesus as The promised Messiah (Matthew 12 blasphemy against the Spirit) . So God withdrew the offer of The Kingdom and judged this generation. Judgment came in 70 A.D.

So to be saved (physically from God coming judgment in 70 A.D.) for Jews who rejected Jesus and indirectly participated in Jesus crucifixion. If they were not a believer then first they had to believe in Jesus. If they were already a believer then they had to do what Peter said to do repent and be baptized. That did the following: remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

So what are examples of good works as a result of being in Christ?

 

[eleos1954]

I didn't say works are a problem, I said a lack of works is a problem in debates over works.

What's an example of good works as a result of being in Christ?

Good works are actions or behaviors that align with God's moral teachings ... reflecting the character of Christ.

A person's (exterior) actions and deeds that align with biblical moral teachings, emphasizing compassion, charity, kindness and adherence to biblical principles,

 

[ozso]

Good works are actions or behaviors that align with God's moral teachings ... reflecting the character of Christ.

A person's (exterior) actions and deeds that align with biblical moral teachings, emphasizing compassion, charity, kindness and adherence to biblical principles,

Such as?

 

[d taylor]

So what are examples of good works as a result of being in Christ?

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One would be, telling other people how to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life salvation.
Another one would be growing in your faith, so you may be prepared to live out a good witness as a born again child of God.

Faith alone saves, but the faith that saves should not be alone.

Saving Faith Should Result in a Lifetime Overflowing with Good Works – Grace Evangelical Society

 

[bling]

I'm asking this for the purpose of starting a conversation, rather than this being a personal question.

There's the age old debate about good works accompanying salvation. Some say good works are a necessary component of salvation. Others say good works automatically take place as a result of salvation.

But here's the question. Either view seems to indicate a lack of good works being a problem.

So what good works is a Christian lacking that puts their salvation in danger or renders it null and void?

What are these Christians supposed to doing, but aren't?

I see it more as what you do not do, than "do". You really cannot "do" anything to: earn, keep or deserve salvation, but you can give your Birthright away like Esau did, you can give it up. No one can still it from you and God will not take it from you, but satan will take it if you no longer want it.

 

[Soyeong]

I'm asking this for the purpose of starting a conversation, rather than this being a personal question.

There's the age old debate about good works accompanying salvation. Some say good works are a necessary component of salvation. Others say good works automatically take place as a result of salvation.

But here's the question. Either view seems to indicate a lack of good works being a problem.

So what good works is a Christian lacking that puts their salvation in danger or renders it null and void?

What are these Christians supposed to doing, but aren't?

Jesus saves us from our sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so Jesus graciously teaching us to be a doer of God's law is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being a doer of it. In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so we are not required to have first done those works in order to earn our salvation as the result and we are not required to do do those works as the result of having first been saved, but rather God graciously teaching us to be a doer of those works is intrinsically the way that he is giving us His gift of saving us from not being a doer of those works. The experience of being a doer of God's law is the gift of salvation.

 

[eleos1954]

Such as?

1 Corinthians​

4Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

 

[Brightfame52]

Good works necessary in salvation.​

Yes but only after being created new, a workmanship in Christ Jesus Eph 2:8-10


8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

First we must be sovereignly saved by Grace, and afterwards good works shall follow, but not precede or assist in being created by Grace.

 

[Paleouss]

So what good works is a Christian lacking that puts their salvation in danger or renders it null and void?

Hello ozso, hope you are having a blessed week.

It seems to me that there is a problem in how you framed the question. At least if you are looking for a list of things that demonstrate salvation. To me the focus isn't on works at all, yes the Bible says that we are created to do good works and that we should continue in good works. But as eleos properly said within this thread, "It's not works that are a problem, rather what is motivating the works."

So it would seem I have tried to move the problem from providing a list of works to providing a list that shows proper motivation. For that, I have a quick list.

(Gal 5:22-23 NKJV) 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

So if one were to ask, what is a list of things that would show that someone "might" have good works. The answer would be, if the person continues to grow in love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.

Practice these and good works follow. And what are those good works? Well, any work at all that has these fruits behind them are the proper good works the scriptures are referring too.

Peace to you my brother
Seek God's truth as if it were hidden treasure

 

[fhansen]

Loving one another.

Good works starts by LOVE. It is the catalyst of any good work. So instead of focusing on works, focus on what Jesus Christ of Nazareth teaches us about LOVE. Out of love will come good works.

Blessings

YES! yes and yes. And God the Holy Spirit will work that gift within us, as we're willing to accept and express it.
"And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us." Rom 5:5