Trump threatens 200% tariff on John Deere

[rturner76]

This tarrif junk is going to destroy our economy. Due to raising tariffs on China during his presidency, China countered by raising their own tariffs on the United States. This destroyed my somewhat lucrative online business.

First, China doubled her international post. Then, in order to account for every tarrif that China would be charging, all the the outgoing packages were then opened and the contents verified.

So, for someone with a drop shipping business, we had to raise prices, often 25-30% and our shipping time went from 2-3 weeks to 4-6 weeks. well, after 3-5 weeks, people started wanting their money back and that was a big expense.

All this plan will do is make everything more expensive for everyone except the mafia. The only businesses that will benefit are his fellow billionaires

 

[ralliann]

Which will be passed on to consumers. They'll build it in the price.

~bella

Right so if they want to do business in America, they can produce here.

 

[ralliann]

This tarrif junk is going to destroy our economy. Due to raising tariffs on China during his presidency, China countered by raising their own tariffs on the United States. This destroyed my somewhat lucrative online business.

What is ruining it all is inflation due to spending.

First, China doubled her international post. Then, in order to account for every tarrif that China would be charging, all the the outgoing packages were then opened and the contents verified.

So, for someone with a drop shipping business, we had to raise prices, often 25-30% and our shipping time went from 2-3 weeks to 4-6 weeks. well, after 3-5 weeks, people started wanting their money back and that was a big expense.

All this plan will do is make everything more expensive for everyone except the mafia. The only businesses that will benefit are his fellow bi

Kamala will ruin business with price fixing, and high wages. They won't be able do business here. Job loss.

 

[RoBo1988]

So, when all manufacturing eventually leaves the USA...

 

[ralliann]

So, when all manufacturing eventually leaves the USA...

All to institute socialism/ communism. We will have government manufacturing, and products instead.

 

[bèlla]

Right so if they want to do business in America, they can produce here.

That's not how it works. You're thinking idealistically but the government and corporations don't operate like that. Nor do they have an incentive to change. They're getting paid. That's what lobbyists are for.

~bella

 

[rjs330]

I prefer local businesses, farmers markets and specialty stores. I don't care for super chains but consolidation is the norm and impersonal. One of the benefits of smaller retailers is expertise and the relationship. They're usually more knowledgeable and invested in their customers and I value that.

~bella

I agree. However the small local businesses don't pay as much as the large businesses do. People actually make more at the big stores. So while it's good for the local owners, it's not as good for the local workers.

 

[rjs330]

This is a false narrative promoted by American companies to camouflage their greed.

As opposed to the Chinese greed.

They save money on labor and production by going overseas without passing it on to consumers.

Thats demonstrably false. Otherwise we wouldn't have this whole thread talking about the cheaper goods from China.

Of Course Dior had such a great markup. It's because rhe rich people want to spend the money on a Dior item. Just so they can walk around with a DIOR. Thats who Dior caters to. Do you think rich snobs would buy a Dior if it was $100? No, they would consider it beneath them to buy something the more common man or woman may purchase.

 

[rjs330]

This tarrif junk is going to destroy our economy. Due to raising tariffs on China during his presidency, China countered by raising their own tariffs on the United States. This destroyed my somewhat lucrative online business.

First, China doubled her international post. Then, in order to account for every tarrif that China would be charging, all the the outgoing packages were then opened and the contents verified.

So, for someone with a drop shipping business, we had to raise prices, often 25-30% and our shipping time went from 2-3 weeks to 4-6 weeks. well, after 3-5 weeks, people started wanting their money back and that was a big expense.

All this plan will do is make everything more expensive for everyone except the mafia. The only businesses that will benefit are his fellow bi

Will it? I don't think you really know what it will do. There is a lot of debate about what they will do and we won't know until it is tried. I guess we'll see. I don't think it would make any difference to the anti-Trumpers what he proposed. They would hate it. There's no purpose in debating it really.

 

[ralliann]

That's not how it works.

They won't work not being able to sell here.

You're thinking idealistically but the government and corporations don't operate like that.

Those who produce here de better than them....

Nor do they have an incentive to change. They're getting paid. That's what lobbyists are for.

~bella

Companies that produce their product here will prosper. We do not need those products from a foreign producer when we can purchase it cheaper here.

 

[bèlla]

Thats demonstrably false. Otherwise we wouldn't have this whole thread talking about the cheaper goods from China.

I think you misunderstood. When a company contracts with a supplier in China to make their goods they define the protocols and they're given a price and that's it. If the end product is shoddy it's not because they used substandard materials. It's because the company wanted a cheap product. You get what you pay for.

Of Course Dior had such a great markup. It's because rhe rich people want to spend the money on a Dior item. Just so they can walk around with a DIOR. Thats who Dior caters to. Do you think rich snobs would buy a Dior if it was $100? No, they would consider it beneath them to buy something the more common man or woman may purchase.

The purpose of the example was to demonstrate the difference between production costs and retail. American companies have no incentive to bring manufacturing back when they can get it for less elsewhere while charging more to their customers. That's why we have billion and trillion dollar companies.

~bella

 

[bèlla]

Those who produce here de better than them....

Companies that produce their product here will prosper. We do not need those products from a foreign producer when we can purchase it cheaper here.

You don't live in that society. You live in a greedy capitalist nation. Wanting something to be true doesn't make it so.

~bella

 

[wing2000]

It's interesting to me to watch the dichotomy of the lefts arguments.

1. They think we need cheap products and that it's good for Americans.
2. They believe the American workers deserve more pay. Which will cost the consumer more money.
3. They are okay with manufacturing which pays better to move to places that pay their workers and treat their workers poorly. In order to have those cheaper products.
4. When someone tries to stop those good paying manufacturing jobs from going elsewhere they are against it because it's going to cost the consumer more.
5. But they want rhw American worker paid more. Which will cause products to cost more.

Their logic is really lacking in this. It's obvious that if you want cheap goods then you have to get them from places that pay low wages and treat their workers poorly. But then they want American workers to be paid very well and then talk about how things will cost more if manufactured in the US. It's weird.

Instead of addressing the points I raised, which, btw, economist and the WSJ agree with, you create a "Left" strawman.

 

[rjs330]

It's because the company wanted a cheap product. You get what you pay for.

Well that's true. You do get what you pay for, but that's what left is calling for. Cheap goods for people. The Chinese offer the cheap goods and the companies buy them.

But I believe there are plenty of Americans who will pay a bit more for American made as long as it's not made as cheaply as the Chinese products.

American companies have no incentive to bring manufacturing back when they can get it for less elsewhere while charging more to their customers. That's why we have billion and trillion dollar companies.

That doesn't change a thing i said about your example.

They don't have incentives because it costs so much to make anything here. They can't make cheaper products because of the cost to make them here. Due to the cost of cheap labor and lack of overburdensome regulations it's easy for the Chinese.

Generally the companies don't charge more to their customers. Most businesses have about 40% markup. That's not that much. That has to pay for everything and make a profit. So it doesn't matter where they get it from. If they buy a toaster from China it's still 40%. They don't buy the toaster and make it 100%.

Christian Dior aside.

So America needs to decide. Do they want cheap goods or better paying jobs. Cause you can't have both. At least not immediately.

 

[comana]

Well that's true. You do get what you pay for, but that's what left is calling for. Cheap goods for people. The Chinese offer the cheap goods and the companies buy them.

But I believe there are plenty of Americans who will pay a bit more for American made as long as it's not made as cheaply as the Chinese products.

That doesn't change a thing i said about your example.

They don't have incentives because it costs so much to make anything here. They can't make cheaper products because of the cost to make them here. Due to the cost of cheap labor and lack of overburdensome regulations it's easy for the Chinese.

Generally the companies don't charge more to their customers. Most businesses have about 40% markup. That's not that much. That has to pay for everything and make a profit. So it doesn't matter where they get it from. If they buy a toaster from China it's still 40%. They don't buy the toaster and make it 100%.

Christian Dior aside.

So America needs to decide. Do they want cheap goods or better paying jobs. Cause you can't have both. At least not immediately.

How do you pin wanting cheap goods only on the left? I hear loudly from the right since Biden that everything is too expensive. What do we want, lower prices or higher wages? I don’t think we can have both.

 

[rjs330]

Instead of addressing the points I raised, which, btw, economist and the WSJ agree with, you create a "Left" strawman.

I pointed out the interesting dichotomy. A lot of concern for tarrifs raising prices, and pointing out the cheap goods created by cheap labor is good but then demanding higher wages for Americans which causes higher costs.

I just was pointing something out.

I don't think they know what is going to happen. WJS is just another piece of press that hates Trump.

 

[bèlla]

But I believe there are plenty of Americans who will pay a bit more for American made as long as it's not made as cheaply as the Chinese products.

I would be curious to see those numbers. I'm aware there's a market for certain items but I wouldn't call the demographic large. Although people are willing to spend more in some areas it rarely applies across the board.

So America needs to decide. Do they want cheap goods or better paying jobs. Cause you can't have both. At least not immediately.

You can make things at home if you're not serving the mainstream. You market to a demographic that appreciates niche or luxury items. They're the ones who buy it.

Alabama Chanin is a great example.

The company employs local women aged twenty to seventy, to help sew one-of-a-kind, handmade garments, preserving the region's dwindling tradition of quilting. Any waste fabric is used as an embellishment, patchwork, or appliqué as a way of using the re-manufacturing process.

Pieces are made from 100% organic cotton, often sewn by hand through a group of artisans using a cottage industry method of operation. Certified organic cotton jersey is sourced from select Texas farmers, then sent to North Carolina to be spun into thread, and then knitted in South Carolina before either returning to North Carolina to be dyed. If the garments are being dyed with indigo, they go directly back to Florence where they are hand-dyed in a small dye house.

At Building 14, Chanin's factory in Florence, workers cut, paint, and prepare for our artisans here in Florence. While machine-made garments are sewn in-house, hand-sewn garments are made out-of-house by select artisans. Every garment is numbered and signed by the artisan who constructs it.

She's doing everything here and blessing her community. We need more people like her.

~bella

 

[trophy33]

I was wondering because it seems strange that the Chinese would build a factory here, and then discover Americans are different. Seems like they'd have already known or researched a most basic asset as labor. Especially given their experiences in Africa.

They could have some other reasons, like subsidies or tax reliefs for building a plant in such poor region.

 

[FireDragon76]

Right so if they want to do business in America, they can produce here.

Some things you can't make cheap enough in America. Even some competitive American high-end electronics companies buy Chinese parts, like power supplies.

 

[RoBo1988]

I have a theory that our government is using the migrant situation to level playing field by subsidizing migrants in factories, paying low wages (while the ngo gets a percentage) , in an attempt to lower the standard of living.