Trump threatens 200% tariff on John Deere

[FenderTL5]

I have a theory that our government is using the migrant situation to level playing field by subsidizing migrants in factories, paying low wages (while the ngo gets a percentage) , in an attempt to lower the standard of living.

I think you're partially correct. Except it ain't the government that's doing it, it's big biz that's also being thrown additional tax credits by the trickle-down GOP.

 

[wing2000]

I don't think they know what is going to happen. WJS is just another piece of press that hates Trump.

Alrighty then.

 

[wing2000]

"The Peterson Institute did the math and concluded that depending on how fully Trump would carry out those policies, the American economy would be 2.8 percent to 9.7 percent smaller than otherwise by 2028 and inflation would be between 4.1 percentage points and 7.4 percentage points higher than otherwise by 2026."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/09/27/trump-harris-economic-plans/

https://www.piie.com/research/piie-charts/2024/trumps-bigger-tariff-proposals-would-cost-typical-american-household-over

 

[RoBo1988]

I think you're partially correct. Except it ain't the government that's doing it, it's big biz that's also being thrown additional tax credits by the trickle-down GOP.

Pretty tough for it to be exclusively the Republicans, with a razor thin majority in the house, minority in the Senate, a Democrat president and 95 percent of the media covering for Democrats. In spite of what they portray on television, it's a uniparty partnership

In case you haven't noticed, big business went to Team Blue a few years ago. The argument that Republicans are the big business party doesn't fly anymore- their job is to play the opposition when the cameras roll, and count their money in secret.

 

[ralliann]

You don't live in that society. You live in a greedy capitalist nation. Wanting something to be true doesn't make it so.

~bella

And here comes the reason for our differences in these forums. You do not like capitalism. Which society we live in, at least so far. That is why the confused arguments.
Cheap foreign labor, less expensive products, OK. But American made products, loud complaints about their wages. Greedy companies, not ok.
Company moves to foreign soil passing that savings to us, no more greedy company. While they make the same.
The reality is the underlying issue is, Capitalism, Socialism, or Communism.
It would be better to discuss the real issue, than those things which maintain or eliminate them. It is more genuine.

 

[ralliann]

Some things you can't make cheap enough in America. Even some competitive American high-end electronics companies buy Chinese parts, like power supplies.

These things can be remedied if the political will is to remedy it. Instead what we have is complaints because some want to change this country. Right now every day necessities are becoming to expensive, and that is being done purposely...

 

[comana]

These things can be remedied if the political will is to remedy it. Instead what we have is complaints because some want to change this country. Right now every day necessities are becoming to expensive, and that is being done purposely...

If prices are being manipulated intentionally, then look to corporate greed for the responsible parties.

 

[ralliann]

If prices are being manipulated intentionally,

I am looking at inflation. Millions going to illegal aliens. Things that citizens do not have nor able to have. That is the manipulation I am talking about. Greed for political power and control.

then look to corporate greed for the responsible parties.

Corporations are not the cause of the current inflation. But again Corporations going overseas are ok , to get cheap labor. Just here they are called greedy, to take them down. To destroy Capitalism.
Just be honest...

 

[comana]

I am looking at inflation. Millions going to illegal aliens. Things that citizens do not have nor able to have. That is the manipulation I am talking about. Greed for political power and control.

Corporations are not the cause of the current inflation. But again Corporations going overseas are ok , to get cheap labor. Just here they are called greedy, to take them down. To destroy Capitalism.
Just be honest...

Prices will not be cheaper if corporations bring production back here. Corporations are absolutely taking advantage as inflation drops but their prices do not. Who is trying to destroy capitalism? Wanting corporations to take responsibility for keeping prices high is not destroying capitalism.

 

[bèlla]

And here comes the reason for our differences in these forums. You do not like capitalism. Which society we live in, at least so far. That is why the confused arguments.

Why do you think I don't like capitalism. I run a business and worked in high finance. I know more about capitalism than most.

You're dealing with globalists. What you're envisioning for the country isn't the agenda and that should obvious. That's we have an economic downturn, rising prices, inflation and a migrant crisis. And we're not alone in that. Others are struggling too,

After the crash comes the reset and that's the plan.

~bella

 

[bèlla]

Prices will not be cheaper if corporations bring production back here. Corporations are absolutely taking advantage as inflation drops but their prices do not. Who is trying to destroy capitalism? Wanting corporations to take responsibility for keeping prices high is not destroying capitalism.

I've tracked a few items I purchased a year or two ago and some have nearly doubled in price. That's insane for appliances. They don't leap like that normally. The price gouging began in 2020 and hasn't relented.

I bought a 5 pound bag of organic chocolate chips in May for $35. The same item is selling for $78! I've never seen anything like this.

~bella

 

[rturner76]

What is ruining it all is inflation due to spendingThere are many factors that lead to inflation Kamala will ruin business with price fixing, and high wages. They won't be able do business here. Job loss.

Many factors affect inflation, from the stock market to interest rates, GDP, etc. When it comes to job losses due to
Business expenspences, stockholders will always vote for layoffs if even a single quarter is not making what the was predicted, no matter how it affects the areas that actually produce the products that they m

Kamala will ruin business with price fixing, and high wages. They won't be able do business here. Job loss.

It would seem that you don't understand how the economy works. Higher wages lead to higher spending in the private sector. when we seek to put any profit into the hands of stockholders, labor suffers and produces less, which lowers profits. So what do they do when there are lower profits? Cut wages and hours. This brings in more cut wages and layoffs. Thereby putting less money into the economy. Less products are purchased and the economy sinks. By ensuring a livable wage and benefits, people will have more cash and stimulate the economy.

Settling into trickledown economics only lines the pockets of the rich who will save any surplus dollars in the bank and the economy gets stifled rather than stimulated.

 

[rturner76]

Will it? I don't think you really know what it will do. There is a lot of debate about what they will do and we won't know until it is tried. I guess we'll see. I don't think it would make any difference to the anti-Trumpers what he proposed. They would hate it. There's no purpose in debating it really.

There is however a point to be made that the USA no longer manufactures many products. So all it will do is make all of the crap we import more expensive. Plus those who have import businesses will lose money and many will be put out of business as far as small businesses. The billionaire moguls will be much more able to cover the tariffs ensuring that small businesses will be shut down while his fellow billionaire stockholders will continue to make their profit margins. Even if that means that have to cut jobs, cut wages, and cut benefits.

 

[ralliann]

Prices will not be cheaper if corporations bring production back here. Corporations are absolutely taking advantage as inflation drops but their prices do not. Who is trying to destroy capitalism? Wanting corporations to take responsibility for keeping prices high is not destroying capitalism.

What corporations are doing can be dealt with within. No prices won't be cheaper I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. But the answer is not to move jobs, and business into other countries either. And the answer is not to destroy them from within. But....people have motivations in these discussions for "other ends". It is evident in the discussion. Cost of living determines what is too expensive. Inflation determines the cost of living here as well. No matter how inexpensive things get, with no jobs it does not matter.

 

[rjs330]

I would be curious to see those numbers. I'm aware there's a market for certain items but I wouldn't call the demographic large. Although people are willing to spend more in some areas it rarely applies across the board.



You can make things at home if you're not serving the mainstream. You market to a demographic that appreciates niche or luxury items. They're the ones who buy it.

Alabama Chanin is a great example.

The company employs local women aged twenty to seventy, to help sew one-of-a-kind, handmade garments, preserving the region's dwindling tradition of quilting. Any waste fabric is used as an embellishment, patchwork, or appliqué as a way of using the re-manufacturing process.

Pieces are made from 100% organic cotton, often sewn by hand through a group of artisans using a cottage industry method of operation. Certified organic cotton jersey is sourced from select Texas farmers, then sent to North Carolina to be spun into thread, and then knitted in South Carolina before either returning to North Carolina to be dyed. If the garments are being dyed with indigo, they go directly back to Florence where they are hand-dyed in a small dye house.

At Building 14, Chanin's factory in Florence, workers cut, paint, and prepare for our artisans here in Florence. While machine-made garments are sewn in-house, hand-sewn garments are made out-of-house by select artisans. Every garment is numbered and signed by the artisan who constructs it.

She's doing everything here and blessing her community. We need more people like her.

~bella

We do need people like that. I think the numbers would be good. However you would need manufacturers who wanted to make good products as well. I don't know if we have the same mentality we used to have. Companies used to pride themselves on well made products. Im not sure if that's the case anymore.

But i do think my statement stands. We have to decide what we want. Cheap products or high wages. We can't have both. We can't be demanding that companies pay middle-class or higher wages to every worker and then demand that we have cheap goods to buy. Especially if you tack on overburdensome regulations too.

Rhe reason China and these places can give us cheap goods is they have cheap labor and no regulations to speak of.

I'm not saying that we should be like China, but we do need some realism and balance in things.

I want manufacturing back in the US. I want a country where the only reason you are unemployed is because you want to be or have to be due to illness or disabilities. We would save a lot of tax dollars that way and gain more tax dollars from the businesses.

 

[rjs330]

What corporations are doing can be dealt with within. No prices won't be cheaper I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. But the answer is not to move jobs, and business into other countries either. And the answer is not to destroy them from within. But....people have motivations in these discussions for "other ends". It is evident in the discussion. Cost of living determines what is too expensive. Inflation determines the cost of living here as well. No matter how inexpensive things get, with no jobs it does not matter.

It's interesting that the left constantly complains about how businesses screw over the employees etc. Yet when we talk about not wanting businesses to leave the country becauae they can go places and pay a pittence to workers and operate in a non-regulatory environment they are fine with that because it creates cheaper goods.

Their logic is a total mess.

 

[comana]

What corporations are doing can be dealt with within. No prices won't be cheaper I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. But the answer is not to move jobs, and business into other countries either. And the answer is not to destroy them from within. But....people have motivations in these discussions for "other ends". It is evident in the discussion. Cost of living determines what is too expensive. Inflation determines the cost of living here as well. No matter how inexpensive things get, with no jobs it does not matter.

What are these “other ends”. It’s hard to have a conversation if you’re going to be cryptic.

Thing is companies going overseas for labor is nothing new. There is a trade off between jobs at US wages or lower cost goods. The US is going to sacrifice jobs or their wallet. There is no win-win here.

I just don’t see companies manufacturing mid to low cost items coming back. Perhaps companies that manufacture high end, high profit items that can easily absorb US wages might.

 

[rjs330]

I've tracked a few items I purchased a year or two ago and some have nearly doubled in price. That's insane for appliances. They don't leap like that normally. The price gouging began in 2020 and hasn't relented.

I bought a 5 pound bag of organic chocolate chips in May for $35. The same item is selling for $78! I've never seen anything like this.

~bella

Yes inflation is aweful. And Biden/Harris didn't do a thing. Now Harris is talking price controls which is disastrous and giving 25000 to people for houses which will be equally disastrous.

I don't know if you saw her interview rhe other day, but it was clear she has no idea what she's doing.

And people are complaining about tarrifs which actually does bring money into the country.

If it's the right thing to do in the long run I don't know. Will it have to be tweeked? Probably, but they have worked. We know own that. After all Biden kept a lot of the ones Trump imposed.

 

[bèlla]

We do need people like that. I think the numbers would be good. However you would need manufacturers who wanted to make good products as well. I don't know if we have the same mentality we used to have. Companies used to pride themselves on well made products. Im not sure if that's the case anymore.

For the most part, profit is the bottom line even with better items. To do what she's done requires vision and conviction. That's a reflection of the company and culture you want to foster. The demographic you want to employ coupled with the area you'll enrich or revitalize.

But i do think my statement stands. We have to decide what we want. Cheap products or high wages. We can't have both. We can't be demanding that companies pay middle-class or higher wages to every worker and then demand that we have cheap goods to buy. Especially if you tack on overburdensome regulations too.

What do you think we'll choose?

I want manufacturing back in the US. I want a country where the only reason you are unemployed is because you want to be or have to be due to illness or disabilities. We would save a lot of tax dollars that way and gain more tax dollars from the businesses.

You don't need UBI if that's the plan. But it's a necessity because of A.I. if you're not going to retrain them. I've heard no suggestion of doing so from anyone. The lone narrative is layoffs and replacement.

~bella

 

[bèlla]

Yes inflation is aweful. And Biden/Harris didn't do a thing.

It's a natural result of the printing press. We printed more in two years than we've ever done before. That's going to cause problems.

Now Harris is talking price controls which is disastrous and giving 25000 to people for houses which will be equally disastrous.

You throw spaghetti at a wall and see what sticks --resonates with the voters-- and pretend it's your policy. Make no mistake there's a plan. But she'll play the fool until the election. Once it's settled the truth will come out. They're not trying to fix the problem. It's smoke and mirrors.

Look at the chart and ask yourself where we stand. The beginning or the end?

~bella