SALVATION

[Clare73]

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that you are right about Adam. How does that translate to all since Adam, who are born in sin? We have no faith to reject, until God give it us. And he only gives it to those to whom he chose from the foundation of the world to show mercy, which he will never forsake, and whom he will bring to be with him in Heaven.

The Spirit of God, who generates that faith within us, will not leave us. We are 'sealed up' in Christ. Not one of those to whom God gave that faith will be lost.

And don't try to take what I say there to mean it is ok for those who consider themselves to have faith, to live in sin.

Can't reach you on Messaging.

 

[Clare73]

James describes a faith that does not save, the kind of faith demons have.

On Judgment Day, many who believe in Christ but reject him as their Lord whom they follow in righteousness are in for a rude awakening, even though they call him "Lord" and did many works in his name, and others who were waiting for Christ to arrive but did not follow him.

Matthew 7:22-23 (WEB) 22 Many will tell me on that Day, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many mighty works?’ 23 Then I will tell them, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity.’

Matthew 25:11-13 (WEB) 11 Afterward the other virgins also came, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us.’ 12 But he answered, ‘Most certainly I tell you, I don’t know you.’ 13 Watch therefore, for you don’t know the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

Belief in gravity is not faith.

 

[fhansen]

Good luck with THAT!

Do you think God's word is lying to us? Do you think anything is impossible for God? Do you think He created you created you to be a sinner???

 

[Clare73]

Okay, before I retort,
1) how is a sinner Justified? Please define it as much as possible, because I do not want to caricature your position.

A sinner is justified by God's declaration of "not guilty," sentence of acquittal, pronouncement of sin forgiven, through the faith of the sinner in the person and atoning work of Jesus Christ.

Justification (dikaiosis) is the legal and formal acquittal by God as Judge, his pronouncement of the sinner as (forensically) righteous (sinless),
which is not a righteousness of character, as in sanctification/holiness.
It is a righteousness of standing with God; i.e., sin forgiven (sinless), reconciled to God.

The righteousness of sanctification/holiness is the righteousness of character acquired through obedience in the Holy Spirit of the Christian life (Ro 6:16, 19).

2) And how is a righteous man found righteous?

No man is righteous on his own, no matter what he does. We are by nature objects of wrath (Eph 2:3).
All are born unrighteous, as a child of fallen Adam, and remain so until the Holy Spirit sovereignly rebirths them into eternal life (Jn 3:3-5), whose sovereign decision to do so is as unaccountable as the wind (Jn 3:6-8).

A man becomes forensically righteous (justified) by salvation from God's wrath (Ro 5:9) in the remittance of his sin through faith in Jesus Christ (Eph 2:8-9).

He becomes actually righteous, after the remittance of his sin by faith, in his growth in sanctification through obedience in the Holy Spirit (Ro 6:16, 19).

 

[fhansen]

A sinner is justified by God's declaration of "not guilty," sentence of acquittal, pronouncement of sin forgiven, through the faith of the sinner in the person and atoning work of Jesus Christ.

Justification (dikaiosis) is the legal and formal acquittal by God as Judge, his pronouncement of the sinner as (forensically) righteous (sinless),
which is not a righteousness of character, as in sanctification/holiness.
It is a righteousness of standing with God; i.e., sin forgiven (sinless), reconciled to God.

The righteousness of sanctification/holiness is the righteousness of character acquired through obedience in the Holy Spirit of the Christian life (Ro 6:16, 19).


No man is righteous on his own, no matter what he does. We are by nature objects of wrath (Eph 2:3).
All are born unrighteous, as a child of fallen Adam, and remain so until the Holy Spirit sovereignly rebirths them into eternal life (Jn 3:3-5), whose sovereign decision to do so is as unaccountable as the wind (Jn 3:6-8).

A man becomes forensically righteous (justified) by salvation from God's wrath (Ro 5:9) in the remittance of his sin through faith in Jesus Christ (Eph 2:8-9).

He becomes actually righteous, after the remittance of his sin by faith, in his growth in sanctification through obedience in the Holy Spirit (Ro 6:16, 19).

And it's only actual righteousness that God cares about for salvation

 

[Clare73]

And it's only actual righteousness that God cares about for salvation.

Reread Eph 2:8-9.

Salvation is by faith. . .not by any works of righteousness.

 

[fhansen]

Salvation is by faith. . .not by any works of righteousness.

Unless one were to take Scripture into account. Not by works of the law.

 

[Clare73]

Unless one were to take Scripture into account. Not by works of the law.

The law is a work of unrighteousness?

 

[ladodgers6]

A sinner is justified by God's declaration of "not guilty," sentence of acquittal, pronouncement of sin forgiven, through the faith of the sinner in the person and atoning work of Jesus Christ.

Justification (dikaiosis) is the legal and formal acquittal by God as Judge, his pronouncement of the sinner as (forensically) righteous (sinless),
which is not a righteousness of character, as in sanctification/holiness.
It is a righteousness of standing with God; i.e., sin forgiven (sinless), reconciled to God.

But the only way a sinner can be declared righteous before is by being righteous. And this by Christ's righteousness being imputed/credited/given to the ungodly through Faith Alone apart from works of the Law, Paul says. There's only two ways that provide righteousness either through the Law (which is a ship that sailed long ago), or by the Free Gift of Righteousness given to the ungodly, and it's here that a sinner is clothed before God, and God can declared the sinner righteous. Without this righteousness of Christ God cannot pronounce the sinner righteous. Christ is the One who came and fulfill the Law with His perfect Obedience, Righteousness, and Holiness, by His Active/Passive Obedience for His people.​

Proverbs 17:15 He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the LORD.

The righteousness of sanctification/holiness is the righteousness of character acquired through obedience in the Holy Spirit of the Christian life (Ro 6:16, 19).

No Sir, It is by the Finished Works of Christ that is imputed to the ungodly and it's this Obedience solely that redeems sinners. Not our activity or efforts. For even Christ sanctification is given to the ungodly as a free gift. The ungodly received the whole Christ through Faith Alone apart from works of the Law.

1 Cor. 1: 30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31 Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”
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John 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.

Isaiah 61:10I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, My soul shall be joyful in my God; For He has clothed me with the garments of salvation, He has covered me with the robe of righteousness, As a bridegroom decks himself with ornaments, And as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.​

No man is righteous on his own, no matter what he does. We are by nature objects of wrath (Eph 2:3).
All are born unrighteous, as a child of fallen Adam, and remain so until the Holy Spirit sovereignly rebirths them into eternal life (Jn 3:3-5), whose sovereign decision to do so is as unaccountable as the wind (Jn 3:6-8).

A man becomes forensically righteous (justified) by salvation from God's wrath (Ro 5:9) in the remittance of his sin through faith in Jesus Christ (Eph 2:8-9).

Agreed.

He becomes actually righteous, after the remittance of his sin by faith, in his growth in sanctification through obedience in the Holy Spirit (Ro 6:16, 19).

Agreed if you mean by this that his or hers righteous or sanctification is not the basis of his/hers justification. But the transformation of the believer in the image of Christ.

 

[AbbaLove]

.Salvation is by faith. . .not by any works of righteousness.

So that's your Christian ethic for not doing any [physical] works even those, inspired by the Holy Spirit out of Christian love (e.g. Mother Teresa, Heidi Baker).

Without righteousness of mind, heart and body where then is righteous faith?​

And it's only actual righteousness that God cares about for salvation

Apparently he choose not to accept "actual righteousness" as one's fervent belief in God ... In so doing he choose to purposely misinterpret and misrepresent the actual intent of your heart. He's trying so hard to discredit you that it reminds me of a Christian tare that's so intent that he's right ... that he will go out of the way to misrepresent the intent of your heart.

He comes across as if he has an axe to grind by going out of his way to misrepresent your posts. His reply implies that he has no actual righteousness of mind and heart?

Salvation is by faith. . .not by any works of rihteousness.

How can you have actual Faith and yet have no actual righteousness?

 

[ladodgers6]

So that's your Christian ethic for not doing any [physical] works even those, inspired by the Holy Spirit out of Christian love (e.g. Mother Teresa, Heidi Baker).

Without righteousness of mind, heart and body where then is righteous faith?​

Apparently he choose not to accept "actual righteousness" as one's fervent belief in God ... In so doing he choose to purposely misinterpret and misrepresent the actual intent of your heart. He's trying so hard to discredit you that it reminds me of a Christian tare that's so intent that he's right ... that he will go out of the way to misrepresent the intent of your heart.

He comes across as if he has an axe to grind by going out of his way to misrepresent your posts. His reply implies that he has no actual righteousness of mind and heart?

How can you have actual Faith and yet have no actual righteousness?

I believe you are not understanding, How is a sinner Justified before a Holy God. Is it through works of the Law or by God's Grace and Mercy alone. We are not talking the sanctification and fruits of our Justification in Christ and his finished works. Because as believers we produce fruits of Salvation, which is the effects that flow from our Justification by Faith Alone.

You are conflating the two, which then turns the Grace of Gospel into Law, which is no Gospel at all. And if it is no longer Grace then there is no hope for the sinner.

Justified by Faith​

Galatians 2:15 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; 16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.​

Romans 3:28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.

The reason you misunderstand us, is because you have a weak view of the Sin and the curse upon sinners. For everyone is under the curse of the Law who do not abide by all things written in the book of the Law. So, is a sinner justified by their own works before God, or by God's Grace & Mercy Alone?

 

[fhansen]

No Sir, I am a sinner, who stands before God guilty as they come, nothing to give or offer God to gain favor or merit anything, because I am under the curse of the Law, which brings only death, condemnation and punishment.

It's not about what you give; it's what God gives you. And that is more than forgiveness. He brings us out from under the curse of the law. We should be grateful for that.

The only place for a sinner is God's Mercy & Grace which he gives Freely to those who believe in him who justifies the "UNGODLY" (Romans 4:5). Does this passage say justifies those who perform good deeds, for what good deeds can a fallen sinner offer God? Christ came to redeem sinners, not the righteous; he came to heal the sick, not the healthy.

YES! To HEAL, not to leave you in yours sins, worthy of death, not to give you an excuse to remain as you already were, as we already wish to be in our flesh. Satan loves that theology. Jesus raises you to new life! As I've said over and over God, alone, can justly the ungodly, can make you just, a new creation with a new heart and Spirit, with love poured out into your heart (Rom 5:5). That's what grace is all about. Why do you want the gospel to be an excuse to remain sinful-or for God to see you as holy when you're not? It almost sounds like pride. That mocks everything Jesus did!

Concerning the flesh, which I am not in, but which is present with me, I walk with Christ and enjoy the forgiveness and lack of condemnation that His sacrifice won for me. I recognize the lusts of the flesh because they are easy to identify. And I understand that the only way to deny the flesh what it wants and to avoid the fruits obeying its lusts produce is to walk in lock step with the Spirit who lives in me and leads, guides, teaches, directs, corrects and comforts me from the depths of my own heart. I do not live in fear of losing what I have gained in Christ because I trust Him when He tells me that it is forever.

Then what's the argument? As I've been saying all along grace gives you that ability to obey now. If you don't obey then you don't know God, are not are not walking in the Spirit, are not a child of God, not living under grace. To think you're automatically forgiven of any degree of future sin is not Scriptural at all, and mocks God and His grace. Again, that changes exactly nothing, leaving us as we were before we "believed". Here's a true teaching:

2019 Justification includes the remission of sins, sanctification, and the renewal of the inner man.

 

[fhansen]

The law is a work of unrighteousness?

Um, no. Works of the law do not make one righteous. Only God can do that. Then our works, now stemming from true righteousness, the "righteousness of God", are used in our salvation.

"For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do." Eph 2:10
"To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life." Rom 2:7

That's how salvation is worked out, with the grace God gives us.

 

[fhansen]

There is no third path.

Yes there is, that's yours, a bit wayward from the true path. Mine is the true path, Christ's way, as understood in Christianity from the beginning; God didn't withhold that knowledge from His people for 1500 years. It involves grace, the Holy Spirit, and love, all three being interrelated, quite different from the first path that could only point to our failure to do what the true path finally can do, what God can do when we turn to Him IOW.

My path addresses the verses that I quoted in "the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness" (Eph 4:24). You address the requirement for true righteousness and holiness (without which no one will see God) by saying it is not required. This undermines the path you have chosen and is an admission that it doesn't work.

Wow. The holiness you think you identify in the bible is a sham. God wants more for you, and from you than that, like a good Parent should. And with Him all things are possible, including, believe it or not, making you into the person you were simply created to be-not a sinner, BTW. It's all about being with Him. "Apart from Me you can do nothing." John 15:5 Its still a struggle, against the flesh, but a struggle that we must be winning at the end of the day, with grace. To the extent that you understand the following teaching you will better understand the gospel:
"At the evening of life we shall be judged on our love."

The basis of the new covenant is union with God, which is the purpose of faith and the difference between the old and new covenants, Faith is to experience reconciliation between ourselves and God-and that relationship, itself, is what your righteousness consists of. Now you reside in a place or state of justice, with Him, no longer in the unjust state of alienation that Adam introduced to humanity.

 

[ladodgers6]

It's not about what you give; it's what God gives you. And that is more than forgiveness. He brings us out from under the curse of the law. We should be grateful for that.

Thank you, finally!!! It's by Grace Alone. Not by a synergistic participation, but by God's Grace Alone. It's His doing alone, not ours!

YES! To HEAL, not to leave you in yours sins, worthy of death, not to give you an excuse to remain as you already were, as we already wish to be in our flesh. Satan loves that theology. Jesus raises you to new life! As I've said over and over God, alone, can justly the ungodly, can make you just, a new creation with a new heart and Spirit, with love poured out into your heart (Rom 5:5). That's what grace is all about. Why do you want the gospel to be an excuse to remain sinful-or for God to see you as holy when you're not? It almost sounds like pride. That mocks everything Jesus did!

That is exactly the point we are worthy of death, condemnation and punishment because of Original Sin of Adam and our personal sins as well. Again you are misplacing what we are saying. It is God who resurrects the dead, this is a divine act, not a human act of sinners! And when he makes us alive in His Son, He also gives all of the heavenly blessings of Christ that He merited by His perfect Obedience. See you keep trying to locate your Salvation in your response or activity rather than in the Gospel itself; namely Christ and His finished works! This sir is Grace Alone. If you add or substract from this you have another gospel that Paul warned us about.​

Then what's the argument? As I've been saying all along grace gives you that ability to obey now. If you don't obey then you don't know God, are not are not walking in the Spirit, are not a child of God, not living under grace. To think you're automatically forgiven of any degree of future sin is not Scriptural at all, and mocks God and His grace. Again, that changes exactly nothing, leaving us as we were before we "believed". Here's a true teaching:

2019 Justification includes the remission of sins, sanctification, and the renewal of the inner man.

No sir it does not, I said to you earlier in our discussion that you are conflating Justification with Sanctification. A sinner is Justified on the sole merits of Christ Alone. The Passive Obedience (Penal Substitutionary Atonement) of Christ propitiates the wrath of God for our sins, and atones for our sins; past, present and future sins once and for all. The Active Obedience of Christ provides us with the positive righteousness we need to enter heaven.

Christ's active obedience (doing what God's law required) is usually distinguished from his passive obedience, namely suffering, dying, and substituting himself for sins of his people.

But Paul anticipates the objection of Free Grace in Romans 6, after preaching about Free Grace for sinners, Paul knew people would object to this, so Paul quickly answers it before they object. 1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? The reason Paul says this because Free Grace for sinners is not a license to sin, but on the contrary, being slaves to sin and now being freed from sin in Christ how can we continue to sin? Here is the newness of walking in the Spirit for believers, not sinners who are not saved. Once a sinner is justified in Christ through faith Alone they can now live to God. Big difference, hope you take the time to understand this.​

 

[ladodgers6]

Luke 18:13-14 (WEB) 13 But the tax collector, standing far away, wouldn’t even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

2 Corinthians 7:10 (WEB) For godly sorrow produces repentance to salvation, which brings no regret.



Fruits come from repentance

Acts 26:20 (NIV) First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and then to the Gentiles, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds.

God does not repent for us; rather, God commands all sinners everywhere to repent.

Acts 17:30 Now God commands all people everywhere to repent

Romans 2:4 Or do you despise the riches of his goodness, forbearance, and patience, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?

God patiently leads us to repentance, but many stubbornly refuse his grace (Romans 2:4-5).

While God enables repentance through the provision of the Gospel invitation and the conviction of the Holy Spirit, this enabling is not efficacious in the sense that it guarantees a response of repentance. For instance: "Romans 2:4-5" illustrates that God’s kindness is meant to lead to repentance, but individuals can harden their hearts and refuse the Gospel Invitation (Matthew 22:3) and resist the Spirit (Acts 7:51). By this enabling grace, God calls and commands all sinners everywhere to repent indiscriminately (Acts 17:30).

Therefore, God's provision of the Gospel, the Spirit working with the Gospel, indiscriminately "enables" all sinners (Jews and Gentiles alike) to respond in repentance. However, this "enabling" is not taught in Scripture to be regenerative. The "enabling" of God respects the sinner's free will as He graciously and patiently leads us to repentance. God allows all individuals to accept or refuse the Gospel Call to repentance. Sinners can and do refuse the Gospel and resist the Spirit, as the Scriptures teach; for instance: Romans 2:4-5; Matthew 22:3; Acts 7:51.



That is what you believe. Why can't you find it in yourself to believe God? His Word is plain to understand.

Luke 18:13-14 (WEB) 13 But the tax collector, standing far away, wouldn’t even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted.”



Any Christian who continues practicing sin is of the devil.

1 John 3:7 Little children [warning Spirit-indwelt Christians], let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous [sanctified] as he is righteous. 8 Whoever continues in sin is of the devil

I can see you are definitely not of the "Reformed Church." The Reformers unanimously insisted on the necessity for the forsaking of sin and a commitment to the works of love, holiness of heart and obedience as part of the overall work of salvation. They never taught that a person could be justified and not be sanctified.

The Reformers on the Necessity for Repentance and the Works of Sanctification – Christian Resources

christiantruth.com

christiantruth.com/articles/reformers/

We are justified and reconciled by God through our faith, just as Abraham was justified by his faith in God.

Romans 4:4 Now to him who works, the reward is not counted as grace, but as something owed. 5 But to him who does not work, but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness.

Romans 5:1-2 (WEB) 1 Therefore, since we have been justified through faith {{{we}}} have peace [reconciliation] with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom we have {{{our access}}} by the faith into this grace in which we now stand.

Galatians 2:16 (WEB) even we believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law, because no flesh will be justified by the works of the law.

And faith is never separated from repentance, by which we humbly submit to God.

Luke 18:13-14 (WEB) 13 But the tax collector, standing far away, wouldn’t even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

2 Corinthians 7:10 (WEB) For godly sorrow produces repentance to salvation, which brings no regret.

Is repentance a fruit of the Spirit or man?

 

[setst777]

Is repentance a fruit of the Spirit or man?

• Repentance is not a fruit of the Spirit. No such Scripture.
• The fruit of the Spirit is by the indwelling Spirit in those who have already repented and who believe (John 7:38-39).
• A repentant obedient believer receives the Spirit by faith (Acts 2:38; Acts 5:32; Ephesians 1:13; John 7:37-39).
• The repentant believer (who received the Spirit) walks in the Spirit, keeping in step with the Spirit as He leads us, by the same obedient faith we had when we first received the Spirit.
• As the believer walks by the Spirit in faith, as the Spirit leads, he then bears the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:13-25).

Galatians 5:13-25 (NIV) Paul addressing born-again believers who have the Spirit
13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we [Christians] live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

 

[ladodgers6]

• Repentance is not a fruit of the Spirit. No such Scripture.
• The fruit of the Spirit is by the indwelling Spirit in those who have already repented and who believe (John 7:38-39).
• A repentant obedient believer receives the Spirit by faith (Acts 2:38; Acts 5:32; Ephesians 1:13; John 7:37-39).
• The repentant believer (who received the Spirit) walks in the Spirit, keeping in step with the Spirit as He leads us, by the same obedient faith we had when we first received the Spirit.
• As the believer walks by the Spirit in faith, as the Spirit leads, he then bears the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:13-25).

Galatians 5:13-25 (NIV) Paul addressing born-again believers who have the Spirit
13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we [Christians] live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

So, you are suggesting this intrinsic good faculty is possessed by fallen man, apart from God's Grace?

 

[AbbaLove]

Is repentance a fruit of the Spirit or man?

Repentance is not one of the nine "fruits" of the Spirit, rather repentance enables the fruits of the Spirit to nourish the wellness of our minds and the wellness of others.

“Bear fruit in keeping with repentance.” (Matthew 3:8)​

Repentance should produce "fruit" ... Fruit "in keeping with repentance" represents the changed behavior flowing from a truly repentant heart and the renewing of one's mind.

Turn from sin and keep turning from sin so you can experience the fruits of the Spirit which should lead to freedom from sin ... "Go and sin no more" and "Stop your sinning or something worse may happen"

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness,
goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.​

 

[ladodgers6]

You should studying scripture to understand that everything we have we receive it from God.

Acts 11:18 When they heard this, their objections were put to rest, and they glorified God, "So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life."