Trump promises to deport all the Haitians to Venezuela.

[ozso]

Unfortunately, his running mate continues to promote the lies and fan the flames. He posted this on Twitter a few hours ago.

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How do you know it's not true?

 

[Hazelelponi]

Finland, Sweden, the current UK, Denmark, Germany, France....all in various stages of electing right wing candidates who claim to be strongly against immigration. France had to pull together a broad leftist coalition to barely stave off the right. Germany outright lost to the right. Sweden has elected officials years ago though I don't currently recall exactly what they've done. Ireland looks to be close to deciding to end the bleeding. The UK seems to possibly be too far gone to actually do anything about it.

I think Denmark was the one that surprised a lot of people but they didn't quite have the heaping white guilt of many other nations and a media that isn't spewing constant lies. When the government comes out and admits 60% (guessing, don't recall actual percentage) of the crime is foreigner based....that tends to open some eyes.

The biggest problem here isn't just the media but the sheer size of the nation. These places like Aurora and Springfield had to learn the hard way before they understand that it's not an issue of bigotry or racism or xenophobia or any of that oversimplified moralizing garbage.

What worries me about the UK is that they're a nuclear power aren't they? They will be an Islamic extremist county in a couple years and it's not a good thought they will have nukes.

 

[ozso]

If you're bothered by the migrants but don't have the same fervor for the money we've sent to Ukraine and Israel you're biased. Anyone genuinely concerned about the economy will decry excess in all areas. Not merely the ones that mirror their prejudices.

~bella

Most conservatives want the US to concentrate on taking care of our own instead of trying to take care of the rest of the world. They're tired of the US being an international babysitting service while it's going down the tubes domestically.

 

[wing2000]

...more bomb threats today in Springfield. Do you think JD Vance and Trump care? Of course not.

The major of Springfield pleads:

"Anybody on the national stage that takes a microphone, needs to understand what they could do to communities like Springfield with their words. They're not helping. They're hurting communities like ours with their words."

More threats in Springfield, Ohio: College closes campus as fear grips community

A new bomb threat prompted officials Sunday at Clark State College in Springfield, Ohio, to close the campus this week and hold classes virtually, the school said.

abcnews.go.com

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[GoldenBoy89]

If someone is suspected of being here illegaally and is stopped legally in any way whatsoever they have to prove that they are here legally if they cannot they enter the process to be deported.

In other words,

“Show me your papers please”

 

[Fantine]

Had Trump been treated as a Republican candidate, as all other candidates are treated in America historically, Trump would be President right now.

2024 is more of the same plus lawfare.

This isn't a free and fair election either.

To be fair, Trump's behavior is very different from other candidates.
If you want to be treated as any other candidate, you should behave as any other candidate.

His confrontational, adversarial, self-pitying style does not invite cooperation.

It invites things like anger, revulsion, and disgust.

Browbeating Election Commissioners, initiating frivolous lawsuits, creating media circuses demonstrates no respect for free and fair elections.

 

[JosephZ]

Actually, I was looking for the original....found that person's repost of it....and posted it.

It's my mistake, I'll own it. Hopefully you can at least take that as not a deliberate attempt to deceive.

I see it as being an honest mistake.

How?

If the federal government is putting these people on interstate flights it doesn't seem like a stretch that they can also allocate some system of driving permits as well.

If you're 100% certain, why?

It would be an infringement of state sovereignty if the federal government issued driving permits to immigrants.

Maybe you didn't notice but recent checks in several states have found at least 15,000+ noncitizens registered to vote....and in some cases, prior voting records.

I'm certainly interested in why you believe that it isn't happening in Ohio.

There are over 160 million registered voters in the US. The small number of noncitizens that manage to cast a vote aren't going to change election results one way or the other. The fact that 15,000+ noncitizens registered to vote were found shows that officials are working to prevent noncitizens from voting. As for Ohio, noncitizens voting is extremely rare.

13 possible cases of non-citizens voting underscore rarity of Ohio voter fraud

Thirteen people could be prosecuted for voting illegally in Ohio's 2020 elections because they aren't U.S. citizens.

That's a minuscule number compared to the nearly 6 million Ohioans who cast votes in the November election and 1.8 million who voted in the primary last year, underscoring the fact that this form of voter fraud is an uncommon occurrence.

LaRose, a Republican, referred those 13 names and 104 others who might have registered to vote illegally because they aren't citizens to Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost for possible prosecution.

Those 104 registered voters comprise just over .001% of all voters registered in the state. The penalty for registering to vote illegally is a fifth-degree felony and voting illegally is a fifth-degree felony.

The 117 individuals were identified because they were listed as non-citizens in Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles records before and after registering or voting.

An interim ID issued by the Bureau of Motor Vehicles.

Is that going to be the same documentation issued these Haitians or not?

Ohio BMV locations to begin issuing free state ID cards today as new voting law starts

Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicle locations will begin issuing free state ID cards to eligible people on Friday, the same day the state’s new voting ID law comes into effect.

www.daytondailynews.com

I would imagine it would be the same document issued to anyone living in Ohio. Anyone who applies for one will have to provide information on their immigration status.

From the article:

According to the Ohio BMV, Ohioans seeking a standard ID card will need to show documents that prove the following:

• Full legal name
• Dates of birth
• Legal presence in the U.S.
• Social Security numbers
• Ohio street addresses
• Legal name change (if applicable)

Although apparently you can still vote "absentee" in some elections with just the last 4 digits of a SSN and we know they can get those.

A person has to be registered to vote before requesting an absentee ballot. They will also provide their name when they request an absentee ballot and if the last four digits of a SSN is used, it would have to match the name of the person who requested the ballot.

Out of curiosity, what is the citizenship verification happening at the DMV since you brought up driver's licenses? Do you need to show up with a birth certificate or just check a box?

My wife had to show her Passport with her visa in it when she got her driver's license.

New wife?

We meet in 2011 and we got married in 2016.

 

[Aldebaran]

...more bomb threats today in Springfield. Do you think JD Vance and Trump care? Of course not.

The major of Springfield pleads:

"Anybody on the national stage that takes a microphone, needs to understand what they could do to communities like Springfield with their words. They're not helping. They're hurting communities like ours with their words."

More threats in Springfield, Ohio: College closes campus as fear grips community

A new bomb threat prompted officials Sunday at Clark State College in Springfield, Ohio, to close the campus this week and hold classes virtually, the school said.

abcnews.go.com

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Bomb threats are made everywhere, and now the MSM wants to tie any negative thing that happens in Springfield, OH to something Trump said. But wouldn't it be more accurate to tie the scapegoating of Trump to anything negative for the assassination attempt against him? Instead, that issue is oddly quiet.

 

[Aldebaran]

In other words,

“Show me your papers please”

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It's always been acceptable to show your papers when you buy alcohol, board a plane, get pulled over by police, apply for a job, etc.

 

[Aldebaran]

To be fair, Trump's behavior is very different from other candidates.
If you want to be treated as any other candidate, you should behave as any other candidate.

His confrontational, adversarial, self-pitying style does not invite cooperation.

It invites things like anger, revulsion, and disgust.

It's your choice whether or not to react that way.

Browbeating Election Commissioners, initiating frivolous lawsuits, creating media circuses demonstrates no respect for free and fair elections.

Paging Jack Smith, Alvin Bragg and Fawni Willis.....

 

[JosephZ]

Bomb threats are made everywhere, and now the MSM wants to tie any negative thing that happens in Springfield, OH to something Trump said.

When was the last time there was a bomb threat in your city? Springfield has received more than a dozen in the four days following the debate. These threats started immediately following Trump's statements on Tuesday night, so yes, he is responsible.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Bomb threats are made everywhere, and now the MSM wants to tie any negative thing that happens in Springfield, OH to something Trump said.

Really? How many threats were they getting weekly in Springfield before Trump made his comments?

But wouldn't it be more accurate to tie the scapegoating of Trump to anything negative for the assassination attempt against him? Instead, that issue is oddly quiet.

Changing the subject to poor old victim Trump isn’t going to help you look any better trying to defend this nonsense.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

It's always been acceptable to show your papers when you buy alcohol, board a plane, get pulled over by police, apply for a job, etc.

I’ve never had to prove my citizenship to buy alcohol, board a plane or when I’ve been stopped by the police. What totalitarian country are you living in?

 

[Goonie]

I’ve never had to prove my citizenship to buy alcohol, board a plane or when I’ve been stopped by the police. What totalitarian country are you living in?

In Trump's USA everyone will be required to provide evidence of citizenship or be deported!!

 

[GoldenBoy89]

In Trump's USA everyone will be required to provide evidence of citizenship or be deported!!

Sure seems like it’s headed that way.

 

[dogs4thewin]

In other words,

“Show me your papers please”

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IF they are otherwise legally stopped. I am not saying to just stop people for no reason, but if they are legally stopped for any reason ( including a traffic infraction and they are here illehally you get deported.

 

[dogs4thewin]

In Trump's USA everyone will be required to provide evidence of citizenship or be deported!!

so you are accusing Trump of not allowing people who came here LEGALLY and have either a visa ( or do not need one) such as certain short-terrm tourtists or a green card.,

 

[GoldenBoy89]

IF they are otherwise legally stopped. I am not saying to just stop people for no reason, but if they are legally stopped for any reason ( including a traffic infraction and they are here illehally you get deported.

Local police aren’t immigration officers and have no right or jurisdiction to probe into someone’s legal status in the country. Sorry, this isn’t communist Russia or Nazi Germany.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Local police aren’t immigration officers and have no right or jurisdiction to probe into someone’s legal status in the country. Sorry, this isn’t communist Russia or Nazi Germany.

If they are stopped legally and they are breaking the law by just being here then the local police do have the duty to turn them over to ICE. Same applies if aa person is doing time and ICE has a detainer on them when they are released they are not released they are handed over to ICE.

 

[BPPLEE]

Local police aren’t immigration officers and have no right or jurisdiction to probe into someone’s legal status in the country. Sorry, this isn’t communist Russia or Nazi Germany.

Sure they can ask if they're here legally, But if they're not all they can do is contact immigration.
I quit doing it because all they ever told me was to get good names and addresses.