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Trump promises to deport all the Haitians to Venezuela.

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I've been listening to testimony from Springfield Ohio residents and forget the pets. Their number one problem has been vehicular manslaughter because the immigrants are being given temporary renewable driver's licenses, without knowing how to drive. They don't have to pass any driving test whatsoever. So Springfield has thousands of reckless drivers on their streets.
 
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I agree. However, the best long term solution would be to establish order and safety in Haiti. That has been and remains the primary challenge facing the world.
It's like the US needs to invade and overthrow some of these governments just to run the countries properly.
 
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Another thing possibly concerning cats, dogs, geese and ducks I haven't seen brought up is Vodou which is a major religion in Haiti.

In Haitian Vodou, a priest or priestess (houngan or mambo) sacrifices an animal to the Loa during ceremonies. The purpose of the sacrifice is to bring about change, such as healing or removing barriers
 
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Okay.



I'm pretty sure that if an immigrant commits a serious crime, their TPS status is revolked.


...in theory, that's true. In reality, returning to Haiti now would be a death wish for many. Haiti is utterly broken, with reports that 80% Port-Au-Prince is controlled by violent gangs.
and if they each family can PROVE they meet the requirements to be here then they can stay, but they need to show prove that THEY personally would be in danger and otherwise either leave or be deported. Either way the border needs to be closed and there needs to be caps on people allowed to claim TPS.
 
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You want to make everyone in the country prove their immigration or citizenship status?
yes to immigration status prove you are legal or get out otherwise you should be forced out ( deported).
 
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yes to immigration status prove you are legal or get out otherwise you should be forced out ( deported).

I'm not sure how involved you think litigating the status of 333 million people would be.

The historical corollary to what you are asking for is "Show me your papers".
 
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I'm not sure how involved you think litigating the status of 333 million people would be.
If someone is suspected of being here illegaally and is stopped legally in any way whatsoever they have to prove that they are here legally if they cannot they enter the process to be deported.
 
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I've been listening to testimony from Springfield Ohio residents and forget the pets. Their number one problem has been vehicular manslaughter because the immigrants are being given temporary renewable driver's licenses, without knowing how to drive. They don't have to pass any driving test whatsoever. So Springfield has thousands of reckless drivers on their streets.

...a problem that could be addressed by changing the requirements for a driver's license?
 
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How are they here then? What process did they go though to obtain citizenship?
The population of the US cannot be broken down into just "citizens" and "illegal immigrants". There are millions of people in the country legally for various reasons who are not citizens - people who have been granted temporary protection status as refugees, people with green cards, people here on work visas, people who have been granted asylum, etc. Most, if not all, of the Haitians in Springfield are in the country legally as refugees.

 
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I wonder where he's going to deport the Mexicans?


 
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The population of the US cannot be broken down into just "citizens" and "illegal immigrants". There are millions of people in the country legally for various reasons who are not citizens - people who have been granted temporary protection status as refugees, people with green cards, people here on work visas, people who have been granted asylum, etc. Most, if not all, of the Haitians in Springfield are in the country legally as refugees.

Seeing the question about how they obtained citizenship if they aren't illegals just made me think "And I think we can see where the problem here lies".
 
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...a problem that could be addressed by changing the requirements for a driver's license?
Sure, but obviously that and much more isn't being addressed, even with US citizens (including children) dying because of it. And the question is why.
 
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If that's the case....I hope you understand it's an honest mistake.
The video you posted was intentionally created to mislead people, so it would be an easy mistake to make.

I watched this city council meeting....or whatever it was officially called. 2 hours of it. It's almost 100% local residents telling horror stories about the Haitians.
There's going to be people living in Springfield who experience the negative effects of the city's rapid increased population firsthand, and some will be upset or even angry about it. That's to be expected.

I'm not going to pretend to know who sets the rules for that regarding a very specific group of people allowed into the nation by the federal government.

You shouldn't either.
I'm 100% certain that driving permits for Haitian immigrants, regardless of their immigration status, are issued by the states they reside in.

There's no "immigration status" check when you register to vote in Ohio....or any state.

There's simply a box declaring yourself a citizen and you're good to go. You'll notice how hard Democrats in Congress are currently fighting to keep it that way.
Yes, the citizenship question and the penalties associated lying about their immigration status are usually enough of a deterrent to prevent most people from fraudulently registering to vote. Beyond that, there are other safeguards in place.


Ohio also requires a voter present a valid ID:

Voter Identification Requirements / Types of Valid ID

There are several types of valid photo identification.

  • Ohio driver's license;
  • State of Ohio ID card;
  • Interim ID form issued by the Ohio BMV;
  • A US passport;
  • A US passport card;
  • US military ID card;
  • Ohio National Guard ID card; or
  • US Department of Veterans Affairs ID card

All photo IDs must have the following:

  • An expiration date that has not passed;
  • A photograph of the voter;
  • The voter’s name, which must substantially conform to the voter’s name as it appears in the Poll List or in the Poll Book

Ohio has a designation on driver's licenses and state-issued IDs that will indicate if the holder is a noncitizen. In my state, there is a restriction listed for noncitizens. For example, on the back of my driver's license (top) there are no restrictions listed, but for my wife, who is not a US citizen, the restriction mentions that she only has a legal presence in the country.

dl back.jpg


It's not as easy as many believe for noncitizens to vote in the US.
 
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The population of the US cannot be broken down into just "citizens" and "illegal immigrants". There are millions of people in the country legally for various reasons who are not citizens - people who have been granted temporary protection status as refugees, people with green cards, people here on work visas, people who have been granted asylum, etc. Most, if not all, of the Haitians in Springfield are in the country legally as refugees.

Yeah the the ones being granted refugee and asylum status by the tens of millions with no vetting and being given lots of free stuff at the tax payers expense have become the biggest problem. And temporary status is a joke. Those folks aren't likely to go back home.

Eventually it'll get bad enough to where even those cheering it on now, will want reform.
 
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Sure, but obviously that and much more isn't being addressed, even with US citizens (including children) dying because of it. And the question is why.

The city can certainly address it. After all, if driving test are in fact, not required, I'm sure there is poor driving by citizens as well (and fatalities).
 
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Sure, but obviously that and much more isn't being addressed, even with US citizens (including children) dying because of it. And the question is why.
I am curious what the accident rate is among Haitian immigrants vs the other drivers in Springfield. Are accidents involving Haitian drivers given more attention?

There are rumors that these immigrants are given permits without any testing requirements. This article states that is not true.

 
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Seeing the question about how they obtained citizenship if they aren't illegals just made me think "And I think we can see where the problem here lies".
Looks like the US could learn a lesson or two from Finland:

 
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