The husband of our vice president is telling men to "step up" to defend the right to kill a child. Real men will see through this evil charade.

[NxNW]

This isn’t about moral beliefs. It’s about protecting people. Especially those most vulnerable.

The unborn are not people.

 

[NxNW]

There is no none of the above. It’s either okay to terminate a pregnancy or it’s not.

The majority of humanity plus both political parties feels that it is. You seem to oppose democracy for some reason.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

The unborn are not people.

Christians are going to say otherwise, and what's more, coming onto a Christian public forum and repeating the mantra "The unborn are not people" ad infinitum isn't going to convince or deter any Christians here from continuing to advocate for an essentially Christian viewpoint.

So, maybe save yourself the effort and the wasted time ... ???

 

[2PhiloVoid]

In this case, my viewpoint comes from the idea that those who aren't pregnant don't get to decide how the pregnancy should be handled.

-- A2SG, not pregnant....

How is your "idea" not merely a reconstituted and veiled vehicle for carrying on the corrupt and demographically focused ideology of someone like Margaret Sanger? Help me out here so I can understand your viewpoint better.

 

[Hammster]

The unborn are not people.

Same arguments used to justify slavery in the US.

 

[A2SG]

There is no none of the above. It’s either okay to terminate a pregnancy or it’s not.

That's your view. A pregnant woman may view the issue differently.

And only one person gets to decide.

-- A2SG, and it ain't me...

 

[Hammster]

The majority of humanity plus both political parties feels that it is. You seem to oppose democracy for some reason.

Thank you for agreeing with my argument.

 

[Hammster]

That's your view. A pregnant woman may view the issue differently.

And only one person gets to decide.

-- A2SG, and it ain't me...

How can a pregnant view that statement differently? This should be good.

 

[A2SG]

How is your "idea" not merely a reconstituted and veiled vehicle for carrying on the corrupt and demographically focused ideology of someone like Margaret Sanger? Help me out here so I can understand your viewpoint better.

My viewpoint isn't hard to understand. The pregnant woman is the only person who gets to decide how to deal with her pregnancy. No one else gets a vote.

Not me, not you, not Margaret Sanger or any one else.

-- A2SG, especially since Sanger is long dead....

 

[A2SG]

How can a pregnant view that statement differently? This should be good.

You'd have to ask her.

-- A2SG, hope it lived up to your expectations...

 

[Hammster]

You'd have to ask her.

-- A2SG, hope it lived up to your expectations...

Nice dodge. I’m kinda surprised.

 

[A2SG]

Nice dodge. I’m kinda surprised.

Not a dodge at all. It's completely consistent with what I've been saying all along.

-- A2SG, refer back to when I said I wasn't gonna say a word about the morality of it....

 

[NxNW]

Christians are going to say otherwise, and what's more, coming onto a Christian public forum and repeating the mantra "The unborn are not people" ad infinitum isn't going to convince or deter any Christians here from continuing to advocate for an essentially Christian viewpoint.

So, maybe save yourself the effort and the wasted time ... ???

Maybe endless repetition of "abortion is murder" isn't furthering the conversation either.

 

[Hammster]

Not a dodge at all. It's completely consistent with what I've been saying all along.

-- A2SG, refer back to when I said I wasn't gonna say a word about the morality of it....

You implied that a woman may have at least a third way of looking at it. I’m asking what that third way might be. I don’t think you need to be a woman to answer that.

 

[NxNW]

Same arguments used to justify slavery in the US.

Not really. Biblical passages were used by many to justify slavery. Mark Twain wrote about it in Huck Finn. It's interesting that some conservatives are trying to suppress that fact by banning the book.

 

[NxNW]

Thank you for agreeing with my argument.

That you seem to oppose democracy?

 

[RileyG]

The unborn are not people.

I completely disagree.

 

[RileyG]

Well, just a few posts back there was a post insisting this had nothing to do with morality. Seems there's not a lot of consistency in the claims here. Makes one wonder what the real story actually is.

Saying something is wrong is about morality? I mean if killing people is wrong, then I guess it’s about morality. That’s ok then.

Regardless, it doesn’t matter.

 

[RileyG]

In one case, the fact a couple consented to having sex is used as an excuse to force one of the people to give up bodily autonomy as a result. But the same assumed consent disappears there when the question is a slightly different question of bodily consent.

Seemed pretty clear to me, and shows the whole idea isn't based on some consistent logical principles but instead a poorly thought out post hoc rationalization for wanting to force women to carry children to term.

They made their choice. Actions lead to consequences. No one is being forced.

Nice try, though.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Maybe endless repetition of "abortion is murder" isn't furthering the conversation either.

You really expect Christians to be able to define it some other way?

See, this is where some of you atheists get the procedure for political maneuvering and influence backwards. If you want to make Christians agree with you, you FIRST have to influence Christians to become ex-Christians. But as it is, you're direct approach of confrontation and denial has no possibility of ever doing this.