The husband of our vice president is telling men to "step up" to defend the right to kill a child. Real men will see through this evil charade.

[o_mlly]

That's exactly what it means.

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If English is not your first language then I understand your apparent confusion.

If English is your first language then I cannot help you.

 

[comana]

That is not the argument. Re-read post #49 and try to defeat the logic of the argument.

I’m not interested in your argument. Fact is that a life living inside the body of another does not have its own autonomy and is subject to the will of the body it lives in.

 

[stevil]

For those of us that value autonomy of people in society we want small government, that means government not imposing themselves unnecessarily on the decisions of the people.
Why on earth the government feels the need or desire to monitor what is in a woman's womb and to tell her what she can an can't do with her body is beyond me. Certainly not something I would ever support.

Nobody wants a nanny state.

 

[Desk trauma]

Nobody wants a nanny state.

Many do.

 

[RileyG]

This is, yet again, more proof that the leaders of the Democratic Party have sold their souls upon the diabolical altar of abortion in my opinion.

Amen

 

[RileyG]

I shouldn’t have to persuade people to not kill babies.

They’re truly sick in their soul. No one is going to lecture me about ethics and morality if they think it’s ok to kill a child in the womb! Bleeding Christ, have mercy.

 

[RileyG]

Obsessing over people who’ve chosen not to have kids, and how they might be plotting to undermine polite society.

Not ready to be a parent, don’t have sex. Simple.

 

[stevil]

Not ready to be a parent, don’t have sex. Simple.

This simplistic way of thinking leads to a higher rate of unwanted pregnancies and a higher rate of abortions.

If you want a realistic society to reduce the amount of abortions then you should be promoting sex education, and safe sex practices, like use of contraceptives etc.

 

[RileyG]

This simplistic way of thinking leads to a higher rate of unwanted pregnancies and a higher rate of abortions.

If you want a realistic society to reduce the amount of abortions then you should be promoting sex education, and safe sex practices, like use of contraceptives etc.

Fair enough, but it still doesn’t justify abortion. Period.

 

[stevil]

Fair enough, but it still doesn’t justify abortion. Period.

I'm not trying to justify anything.

I'm just pointing out statistical facts.
Sometimes when we do things to improve the situation, we make things worse.

doing sex ed, isn't about teaching children how to have sex and isn't giving them permission to have sex.
It is looking at the bigger picture, it is doing something in an attempt to reduce unwanted pregnancies.
An abortion is having an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff.
Doing things to avoid unwanted pregnancies is like putting warning signs and safety guard rails at the top of the cliff.
Having these things at the top of the cliff means the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff will be far less busy.

Just telling people not to have sex, falls on deaf ears. People, especially adolescence have a very strong desire for sex. It is very hard for them to control themselves. They certainly don't look up to the adults telling them not to have sex. You are seen as an over paranoid kill joy.

 

[Hammster]

For those of us that value autonomy of people in society we want small government, that means government not imposing themselves unnecessarily on the decisions of the people.
Why on earth the government feels the need or desire to monitor what is in a woman's womb and to tell her what she can an can't do with her body is beyond me. Certainly not something I would ever support.

Nobody wants a nanny state.

I don’t want to tell a woman what she can do with her body as long as she doesn’t use her body to murder or harm someone. What I do want is equal protection under the law.

 

[Hammster]

This simplistic way of thinking leads to a higher rate of unwanted pregnancies and a higher rate of abortions.

If you want a realistic society to reduce the amount of abortions then you should be promoting sex education, and safe sex practices, like use of contraceptives etc.

Are you implying that unwanted pregnancies happen because people don’t know how babies are made?

 

[iluvatar5150]

Not ready to be a parent, don’t have sex. Simple.

My comment wasn’t about abortion.

 

[stevil]

Are you implying that unwanted pregnancies happen because people don’t know how babies are made?

Are you being honest in your conversation here?

Take a moment to think about my position, employ grace, and try to have a useful conversation rather than whatever it was that you were doing with that post.

 

[Bradskii]

No. The conversation started with my post #49;

My conversation with you started when I quoted you. When I dealt with what you posted.

Can you logically defeat the argument.

I'll grant personhood at viability. Which Roe v Wade suggested was 24 weeks. Personally speaking I'd want that reduced except for medical problems. But you're not arguing for abortions to be restricted prior to personhood, so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Nobody can argue that what a woman is carrying a week after conception is a small person. But you'd still want a ban on abortion then.

Or are you amenable to medical decisions on when personhood occurs? If not, your position is moot.

 

[Hammster]

Are you being honest in your conversation here?

Yes.

Take a moment to think about my position, employ grace, and try to have a useful conversation rather than whatever it was that you were doing with that post.

Hear what you said.

If you want a realistic society to reduce the amount of abortions then you should be promoting sex education, and safe sex practices, like use of contraceptives etc.

The assumption is that this isn’t already being done. Is that what you think?

 

[stevil]

The assumption is that this isn’t already being done. Is that what you think?

I think there are many religious people that want Sex education removed from schools. That want many contraceptive methods outlawed.
Some even want IVF outlawed.

 

[RileyG]

My comment wasn’t about abortion.

Oops. My apologies.

 

[RileyG]

I'm not trying to justify anything.

I'm just pointing out statistical facts.
Sometimes when we do things to improve the situation, we make things worse.

doing sex ed, isn't about teaching children how to have sex and isn't giving them permission to have sex.
It is looking at the bigger picture, it is doing something in an attempt to reduce unwanted pregnancies.
An abortion is having an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff.
Doing things to avoid unwanted pregnancies is like putting warning signs and safety guard rails at the top of the cliff.
Having these things at the top of the cliff means the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff will be far less busy.

Just telling people not to have sex, falls on deaf ears. People, especially adolescence have a very strong desire for sex. It is very hard for them to control themselves. They certainly don't look up to the adults telling them not to have sex. You are seen as an over paranoid kill joy.

Having very strong desires doesn’t mean they should act on them.

Saying “I can’t control myself” isn’t an excuse.

Although I understand where you are coming from.

 

[RileyG]

I don’t want to tell a woman what she can do with her body as long as she doesn’t use her body to murder or harm someone. What I do want is equal protection under the law.

Amen! The baby inside her body is NOT her body. Period.