New Heavens and a new Earth

[mpeters.3662]

My devotion this morning was on Isaiah 65:17-25.

Isa 65:20, if never again an infant will but for a few days; will there be reproduction on the new Earth?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

My devotion this morning was on Isaiah 65:17-25.

Isa 65:20, if never again an infant will but for a few days; will there be reproduction on the new Earth?

In the paradigm of Eternal Torment, there will be no one else to rule over after the judgment.

Since the new heaven and new earth is revealed after the judgment, no in said paradigm.

 

[mpeters.3662]

In the paradigm of Eternal Torment, there will be no one else to rule over after the judgment.

Since the new heaven and new earth is revealed after the judgment, no in said paradigm.

I agree, the pains of child birth would have to be removed, as they were the consequence of the fall; so reproduction as we know it today would have to be altered. That said, I see there being two conclusions: 1) there is no longer death of an infant due to there no longer being any infants and / or 2) there is no longer death because death like the consequences of the fall has been victoriously overcame.

I like the forum, it really makes you ponder on a deeper level.

 

[d taylor]

My devotion this morning was on Isaiah 65:17-25.

Isa 65:20, if never again an infant will but for a few days; will there be reproduction on the new Earth?

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This new earth is not the same new earth in Revelation. This new earth in Isaiah is the new earth restored after the 7 year tribulation, for the millennium rule of Jesus. Yes people will be born during Jesus rule on earth.

 

[ViaCrucis]

My devotion this morning was on Isaiah 65:17-25.

Isa 65:20, if never again an infant will but for a few days; will there be reproduction on the new Earth?

Isaiah's prophecy uses language to help us understand that in the Age to Come life will be in all ways superior to how we experience life now. The prophet also says that a man who dies at a hundred will be seen as having died a very young man--and yet in the Age to Come there is no more death at all, death is completely overcome in resurrection (see 1 Corinthians 15:54-55, Romans 8:18-24, Revelation 21:4). The point, therefore, is that the grief of losing a child is gone, that won't happen in the Age to Come--whether or not there will be reproduction in the Age to Come is a separate matter. Though it is probably unlikely, as the Lord tells us that in the resurrection people will neither get married nor be given in marriage, indicating that the institution of marriage--which functions as the orderly means of reproduction--does not exist in the Age to Come, or at least not in any way that would be recognizable to us and our current experiences.

I don't want to rule out certain things altogether, but I would say that we certainly can't bring our present experiences and knowledge and apply them to the reality of the future world. As St. John reminds us "At present we know we are God's children, but what we will become is not yet revealed, but when He comes we shall be like Him" (1 John 3:2) And as St. Paul has said, "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no heart has imagined all that God has planned for those that love Him." (1 Corinthians 2:9).

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Spiritual Jew]

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This new earth is not the same new earth in Revelation. This new earth in Isaiah is the new earth restored after the 7 year tribulation, for the millennium rule of Jesus. Yes people will be born during Jesus rule on earth.

There is no basis for claiming there will be two new earths. That makes a joke out of scripture. You can just make it say anything you want it to say if you draw conclusions like this. No, Revelation 20 and 21 make it very clear that the new heavens and new earth are not ushered in until after the thousand years, not at the beginning of the thousand years.

 

[d taylor]

There is no basis for claiming there will be two new earths. That makes a joke out of scripture. You can just make it say anything you want it to say if you draw conclusions like this. No, Revelation 20 and 21 make it very clear that the new heavens and new earth are not ushered in until after the thousand years, not at the beginning of the thousand years.

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No basis, what do you think Peter is describing in 2nd Peter chapter 3. The earth after the tribulation will be absolutely destroyed, Jesus even states the stars will fall from the sky, the sun and moon will turn dark.

Fire is going to destroy the current earth we are living on.