Shouldn't Creationism be taught at public schools?

[Diamond72]

Perhaps if you'd just write for clarity to begin with (which would mean you'd have to stop writing in slogans)

That would be a trade off. Slogans are remembered, clarity is not remembered just understood. Jesus had ways He would teach so people would remember. I talked about the temple and turning the tables over and driving the money changes out of the temple. That could have cost Him his life when you start messing with the payola but I am sure there was lots of talk about what HE did.

 

[ViaCrucis]

All the time I hear Christians insist that Creationism is a science. In that case--shouldn't Creationism be taught at public schools? After all, Evolution is taught at public schools, so why not Creation Science as well?

First of all, there has been a segment of the Christian population in the United States (I can only assume that your question is America-centric here) that has wanted that for decades. The Supreme Court ruled against allowing creationism to be taught in public schools, which is why it isn't. Because it is, ultimately, a religious belief; and the First Amendment of the US Constitution has consistently been interpreted by the US Supreme Court in such a way that the wall of separation between Church and State remains firm. Public schools in the US are funded by taxes, they are government-run schools; that means that teachers who work at public schools are in the employ of the State. Teachers, and schools, cannot force a religious position upon students.

So-called "creation scientists" want to convince people that creationism is scientifically valid, but it isn't. It is not a scientific position. It is a religious position with a pre-established conclusion; it does not follow the scientific method, it is not science. It isn't science. It is a religious belief, and US public schools cannot indoctrinate students with the theological and doctrinal positions of a religion--any religion.

When creationism is presented as science, it is pseudo-science.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Yuwang]

The Bible describes ancient near east cosmology, not science.

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Compt Du Nuoy:

Evolving Creation Process is Human Destiny, 1947 by Compt Du Nuoy: Short and to the point with sufficient logic and evidence. Shoots down the arguments about "evolution" pro and con. Describes how the Creator introduced new animals to change the environment as part of the process of creating Mankind, and the environment for man kind and the various races thereof.

 

[The Barbarian]

Perhaps if you'd just write for clarity to begin with (which would mean you'd have to stop writing in slogans)

That would be a trade off.

Not if a cogent argument is wanted.

That could have cost Him his life

It did. Why do you think the Sanhedrin wanted Him dead more than the Roman Governor did?

 

[Yarddog]

All the time I hear Christians insist that Creationism is a science. In that case--shouldn't Creationism be taught at public schools? After all, Evolution is taught at public schools, so why not Creation Science as well?

The Bible should be taught at Church and not in public schools. This way, each parent controls whatever religious teaching their children are being taught.

 

[The Barbarian]

Now, there you go. I refused to go to Vietnam and take part in a unjust war that was creating drug addicts and prostitutes.

I get it. Not everyone is willing to step up when called. Sometimes, a sudden case of bone spurs happens.

 

[Yuwang]

I get it. Not everyone is willing to step up when called. Sometimes, a sudden case of bone spurs happens.

Barbarian, Glad to hear from some one who refused to sacrifice themselves in VietNam for war crazy politicians, and profiteers.
I was a toy soldier in Germany, kp, guard duty, picking up cigarette butts. Rumor there was that they lost an atomic artillery bomb, that I helped guard. I enjoyed the cukoo birds out in the forest.

 

[Yuwang]

The Bible should be taught at Church and not in public schools. This way, each parent controls whatever religious teaching their children are being taught.

Now You know 1 reason why they have "public schools" in USA. It is one of the 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto.

 

[Yarddog]

Now You know 1 reason why they have "public schools" in USA. It is one of the 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's your tin hat.

 

[The Barbarian]

Now You know 1 reason why they have "public schools" in USA. It is one of the 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto.

The United States Northwest Ordinances predate the Communist Manifesto by 64 years. Someone's taken advantage of your trust in them.

 

[Yuwang]

"The United States Northwest Ordinances predate the Communist Manifesto by 64 years. Someone's taken advantage of your trust in them."

What is Barbarian's point about US Northwest Ordinances?" As for USA, even before the War between Britain and France aka French & Indian war, USA was well manipulated by the same sort of folks that have manipulated the United States up to the present.
They call it "Fortress America" to put down all opposition/resistance to their world wide controls. That is one reason President Biden is sending 20 billion $'s worth of military stuff to the nice anti-Christ Israelis to help kill more people.

 

[Yuwang]

The United States Northwest Ordinances predate the Communist Manifesto by 64 years. Someone's taken advantage of your trust in them.

Oh, my mistake, I didn't notice Yarddog's comment till just now. Evidently, Yarddog doesn't know that USA is a communist country since Lincoln. But folks can be glad about it because USA has the world's best form of Communism, it is called Capitalism.

 

[Yuwang]

Oh, my mistake, I didn't notice Yarddog's comment till just now. Evidently, Yarddog doesn't know that USA is a communist country since Lincoln. But folks can be glad about it because USA has the world's best form of Communism, it is called Capitalism.

Ah, now I see the point regarding the Northwest Ordinance: "The Northwest Ordinance, together with the earlier Land Ordinance of 1785, set aside a section of each new township’s land for the support of public schools."
The insinuation is that this proves public schools to be a major virtue, Yes? Are You aware of the treacheries that well proceeded this event?

 

[The Barbarian]

Ah, now I see the point regarding the Northwest Ordinance: "The Northwest Ordinance, together with the earlier Land Ordinance of 1785, set aside a section of each new township’s land for the support of public schools."
The insinuation is that this proves public schools to be a major virtue, Yes?

Rather it's an American value. Nice to know that many other nations now agree with us.

Are You aware of the treacheries that well proceeded this event?

Lots treacheries have preceded all sorts of events. Doesn't change the facts.

 

[The Barbarian]

Oh, my mistake, I didn't notice Yarddog's comment till just now. Evidently, Yarddog doesn't know that USA is a communist country since Lincoln. But folks can be glad about it because USA has the world's best form of Communism, it is called Capitalism.

(Cue theme from Twilight Zone)

 

[Yuwang]

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Enjoy Your prejudice that all is well. I once talked to a California official about a project I was working on. He said it had to be 10 acres and built all at once, thus precluding most people from building such. Then He told me, You know? It is better that You live in Your car or under a bridge than You live in a house we do not approve of. Land Use zoning was the subject and He prophesied of what is happening in California; And Zoning, aka Land Use control is also one of the 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto.

 

[The Barbarian]

Enjoy Your prejudice that all is well.

You think weird ideas are an indication that all is well? Seriously?

I once talked to a California official about a project I was working on. He said it had to be 10 acres and built all at once, thus precluding most people from building such.

Doesn't sound much like Marxism to me. Perhaps you don't know what "communism" is. What do you think it is?

And Zoning, aka Land Use control is also one of the 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto.

Land zoning predates the Communist Manifesto by maybe 2000 years.

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I'm starting to suspect that you use "Communist Manifesto" the way white nationalists use "woke."

 

[Diamond72]

Not everyone is willing to step up when called.

Some people choose to do civil service work. My brother took this option. The Amish usually take this option.

 

[The Barbarian]

Some people choose to do civil service work. My brother took this option. The Amish usually take this option.

I can get conscientious objectors. Religious objections deserve consideration. Chickenhawks annoy me. Guys who found doctors who would write them spurious excuses, those are the despicable ones.

 

[Diamond72]

Guys who found doctors who would write them spurious excuses, those are the despicable ones.

Usually the government sends you to their own doctor to test and evaluate you.