Andy Ogles (R-TN) Introduces Articles of Impeachment for VP Harris for non-existent crime in her non-existent role as "border czar"

[Ana the Ist]

Most economists would have noted that the dip coincided with the Great Recession, which affected the United States like most of the world. C'mon...

Great Recession - Wikipedia

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Could be... it's a big chart with few years labeled.

You should at least try to be plausible. Notice it's not constant dollars. They graphed inflation.

Let's assume that's true...it would still be a graph charting an annual increase, up and to the right.

Actually, every science teaches students to make sure that correlation actually involves causation.

But only idiots believe that univariate analysis is meaningful to something like GDP lol.

Your graph shows inflation,not real GDP.

It still wouldn't change the trajectory of GDP....

It would still be up and to the right...a steady increase in GDP.

C'mon,

On Sunday, the Associated Press reported worker shortages have prompted some Alabama farmers who grow labor-intensive produce to plant less, rather than have crops rot in the fields again this year. Last fall Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley signed a tough law combating illegal immigration, which prompted undocumented workers to flee the state. Few locals will perform the grueling work of picking crops, and farmers stuck in a agricultural system built on illegal labor are struggling to find replacements before their produce rots.

Alabama’s situation is not unique. Georgia passed a similar immigration law in 2011. When undocumented workers fled, farmers lost around 40% of their workers and $140 million worth of blueberries, melons, onions, and other crops due to labor shortages. This year Georgia farmers again fear they will be short on workers to pick the crops, and many have scaled back production or stopped planting altogether.

It’s not only Southern states; farmers all across America are dependent on migrant labor. For example, immigrants make up 40% of Wisconsin’s dairy industry workers and almost one in three U.S. farming and fishing workers is from Mexico.

Alabama Illegal Immigrant Crackdown Destroys Farm Business

On Sunday, the Associated Press reported worker shortages have prompted some Alabama farmers who grow labor-intensive produce to plant less, rather than have crops rot in the fields again this year. Last fall Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley signed a…

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GDP increased.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Most economists would have noted that the dip coincided with the Great Recession, which affected the United States like most of the world. C'mon...

Great Recession - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You should at least try to be plausible. Notice it's not constant dollars. They graphed inflation.

Actually, every science teaches students to make sure that correlation actually involves causation.

It could have saved you a lot of embarrassment if you had learned that.

Your graph shows inflation,not real GDP. Notice that it becomes even steeper after the pandemic? Did you not even think about that?

C'mon,

On Sunday, the Associated Press reported worker shortages have prompted some Alabama farmers who grow labor-intensive produce to plant less, rather than have crops rot in the fields again this year. Last fall Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley signed a tough law combating illegal immigration, which prompted undocumented workers to flee the state. Few locals will perform the grueling work of picking crops, and farmers stuck in a agricultural system built on illegal labor are struggling to find replacements before their produce rots.

Alabama’s situation is not unique. Georgia passed a similar immigration law in 2011. When undocumented workers fled, farmers lost around 40% of their workers and $140 million worth of blueberries, melons, onions, and other crops due to labor shortages. This year Georgia farmers again fear they will be short on workers to pick the crops, and many have scaled back production or stopped planting altogether.

It’s not only Southern states; farmers all across America are dependent on migrant labor. For example, immigrants make up 40% of Wisconsin’s dairy industry workers and almost one in three U.S. farming and fishing workers is from Mexico.

Alabama Illegal Immigrant Crackdown Destroys Farm Business

On Sunday, the Associated Press reported worker shortages have prompted some Alabama farmers who grow labor-intensive produce to plant less, rather than have crops rot in the fields again this year. Last fall Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley signed a…

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You know what, I'll fix the graph for you if you find it confusing....

I checked and the average pre-Biden inflation rates and they're about 3% annually...so I just put in little reminders to adjust the starting and ending points.

And we still have a dramatic increase in GDP.

Edit- even better.....

And....yup....basically the same increases in GDP with the 2008 exception.

The line even looks similar despite starting and ending earlier. What did you think would happen? GDP would decrease? Do you also not understand statistics?

 

[The Barbarian]

Do you also not understand statistics?

I'm not the one blaming the Great Recession on Alabamans getting fed up with illegals.

Could be... it's a big chart with few years labeled.

No "could be" about it. That has no relationship at all to illegals. You just saw a bump in the curve and made up a story about it. You should have thought about the actual causes. It could have saved you a lot of embarrassment.

Someone once said that there are lies, despicable lies, and statistics. It's not true. Figures don't lie.

But liars sometimes figure. Learn from this.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Someone once said that there are lies, despicable lies, and statistics. It's not true. Figures don't lie.

But liars sometimes figure. Learn from this.

The textbook for the Stats class I took in grad school:

 

[Ana the Ist]

I'm not the one blaming the Great Recession on Alabamans getting fed up with illegals.

It's frustrating, I get it.

I used your own example to disprove whatever point you thought you were making.

Your claim ....add illegals and GDP goes up. Which is pretty morally depraved and gross...we can make the same association with slaves if we wanted to.

Fortunately, I'm offering you a better moral position by showing GDP goes up even when you remove illegal labor....and you handed me all the evidence I needed.

Just take it as a lesson, no need for thanks.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Well no, he didn't. Because the republicans in the House blocked his attempt to get more immigration courts to process them faster.

I must have missed that...

Can you point out a specific event here? He has executive privilege so how those laws are executed are up to him....I don't see how exactly the "Republicans" could have "blocked" him unless he was doing something unconstitutional like he did with the ATF essentially trying to enforce gun laws no one passed.

What exactly did he do or try to do to "get more courts" to process claims faster? And how did Republicans block him?

 

[The Barbarian]

Well no, he didn't. Because the republicans in the House blocked his attempt to get more immigration courts to process them faster.

I must have missed that...

Republican and Democratic senators are taking to the airwaves, scrambling to pass severe restrictions on migrants flooding across the U.S.-Mexico border. There's just one thing: Their plan is all but dead.
Why it matters: The Senate might pass the plan, which would be one of the harshest immigration bills of the century. President Biden is ready to sign it. But House Republicans — egged on by former President Trump — already are planning to shut it down.

State of play: Illegal immigration has rocketed to the top of voters' concerns, and Biden has become increasingly desperate for a solution. Trump and conservative Republicans see a political opportunity to squeeze Biden and Democrats on the issue.

• Trump, whose front-runner status in the Republican presidential race has solidified his leadership of the GOP, has loudly vowed to kill the bipartisan border deal.
• "It's not going to happen, and I'll fight it all the way," Trump said Saturday in Nevada.

https://www.axios.com/2024/01/29/trump-republicans-border-deal-senate-immigration

The $118 billion bill, called the Emergency National Security Supplemental Appropriations Act, sought significant changes in border policy. It included money to build more border barriers, to greatly expand detention facilities, and to hire more Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Border Patrol agents, asylum officers and immigration judges to reduce the years-long backlog in cases to determine asylum eligibility. It sought to expedite the asylum process, essentially ending — in most cases — the so-called “catch and release” policy whereby migrants are released into the U.S. pending asylum hearings. And it would have increased the standard of evidence needed to win asylum status.

The bill also would have supplied more funding to interdict fentanyl and human trafficking, and it included $60 billion in aid for Ukraine and $14 billion for Israel.

“It doesn’t have everything in it I wanted, it doesn’t have everything it it my Democratic colleagues wanted,” one of the architects of the bill, Republican Sen. James Lankford, said from the Senate floor before the vote was taken. “But it definitely makes a difference.”

In the lead-up to the vote, Lankford accused his Republican colleagues of opposing the bill on political, rather than policy, grounds.

“It is interesting: Republicans, four months ago, would not give funding for Ukraine, for Israel and for our southern border because we demanded changes in policy,” Lankford said on CNN. “And now, it’s interesting, a few months later, when we’re finally getting to the end, they’re like, ‘Oh, just kidding, I actually don’t want a change in law because it’s a presidential election year.’”

Unraveling Misinformation About Bipartisan Immigration Bill - FactCheck.org

Even before a bipartisan group of senators unveiled the text of a foreign aid and immigration overhaul bill on Feb. 4, it faced significant opposition from former President Donald Trump and other Republican leaders. We'll explain what was in the legislation and the facts on two popular talking...

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Obviously, Trump didn't want any of that being passed. For political reasons. I know, I know... "It wasn't in Pravda."

Presidents can't just declare laws, and can't just impose funding. It's an American Constitutional thing.

What exactly did he do or try to do to "get more courts" to process claims faster? And how did Republicans block him?

See above. Even honest republicans admitted it.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Well no, he didn't. Because the republicans in the House blocked his attempt to get more immigration courts to process them faster.



Republican and Democratic senators are taking to the airwaves, scrambling to pass severe restrictions on migrants flooding across the U.S.-Mexico border. There's just one thing: Their plan is all but dead.
Why it matters: The Senate might pass the plan, which would be one of the harshest immigration bills of the century. President Biden is ready to sign it. But House Republicans — egged on by former President Trump — already are planning to shut it down.

State of play: Illegal immigration has rocketed to the top of voters' concerns, and Biden has become increasingly desperate for a solution. Trump and conservative Republicans see a political opportunity to squeeze Biden and Democrats on the issue.

• Trump, whose front-runner status in the Republican presidential race has solidified his leadership of the GOP, has loudly vowed to kill the bipartisan border deal.
• "It's not going to happen, and I'll fight it all the way," Trump said Saturday in Nevada.

https://www.axios.com/2024/01/29/trump-republicans-border-deal-senate-immigration

The $118 billion bill, called the Emergency National Security Supplemental Appropriations Act, sought significant changes in border policy. It included money to build more border barriers, to greatly expand detention facilities, and to hire more Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Border Patrol agents, asylum officers and immigration judges to reduce the years-long backlog in cases to determine asylum eligibility. It sought to expedite the asylum process, essentially ending — in most cases — the so-called “catch and release” policy whereby migrants are released into the U.S. pending asylum hearings. And it would have increased the standard of evidence needed to win asylum status.

The "we can't ignore the problem now that black people in NYC and Chicago are complaining about it bill."

That's not a real bill. It's a posturing. It doesn't address the problem. It's just an attempt to throw blame on Republicans for this administration's failures.

Asylum officers don't spring out of the ground....they need training. Immigration judges are even harder to come by. It's very Democratic Party thinking to say "let's just hire more judges and Immigration officers".

It's as if in their childish minds, all these immigration judges are just sitting at home....unemployed....waiting on this bill to pass so they can get hired lol.

Please.

The bill also would have supplied more funding to interdict fentanyl and human trafficking, and it included $60 billion in aid for Ukraine and $14 billion for Israel.

Well at least Ukraine and Israel got paid.

In the lead-up to the vote, Lankford accused his Republican colleagues of opposing the bill on political, rather than policy, grounds.

I can understand that. Not every legislator understands these things.

“It is interesting: Republicans, four months ago, would not give funding for Ukraine, for Israel and for our southern border because we demanded changes in policy,” Lankford said on CNN. “And now, it’s interesting, a few months later, when we’re finally getting to the end, they’re like, ‘Oh, just kidding, I actually don’t want a change in law because it’s a presidential election year.’”

Unraveling Misinformation About Bipartisan Immigration Bill - FactCheck.org

Even before a bipartisan group of senators unveiled the text of a foreign aid and immigration overhaul bill on Feb. 4, it faced significant opposition from former President Donald Trump and other Republican leaders. We'll explain what was in the legislation and the facts on two popular talking...

www.factcheck.org

I wonder if he's quoting anyone directly there or just grandstanding.

Obviously, Trump didn't want any of that being passed.

Trump doesn't hold any office.

Presidents can't just declare laws, and can't just impose funding.

In June...Biden simply decided to reject most asylum claims before they're made. It currently stands, and is responsible for the drop off currently seen at the border.

Of course, he could have done this in January of 2021 but he has his corporate puppeteers to dance for.

See above. Even honest republicans admitted it.

There's a quote from Lankford. It's not a direct quote....but looks like a broad generalization.

 

[The Barbarian]

That's not a real bill.

It was a bill in Congress negotiated between the WH and congressional republicans until Trump ordered them to stop any bill that would do anything about illegal immigration.

Even the Border Patrol union supported this bill. And you never heard of it? Seriously?

Asylum officers don't spring out of the ground....they need training.

Which is what the bill would do. More courts, more judges, and the backlog goes away. Those legally entitled to asylum would get it, those who weren't, would be removed from the U.S. Trump couldn't have that, and so he ordered the congressional republicans to stop it.

It's very Democratic Party thinking to say "let's just hire more judges and Immigration officers".

There are lots of people qualified to be judge, and lots of them very familiar with immigration law.

Please.

In the lead-up to the vote, Lankford accused his Republican colleagues of opposing the bill on political, rather than policy, grounds.

I can understand that.

Of course. This would have been a disaster for Trump, if Biden got a bill that would enable him to more quickly end the backlog. For Trump, it's all about what Trump needs, and nothing about what America needs.

Trump doesn't hold any office.

Yes. We fired him for incompetence. Unfortunately, the republicans in the House still dance when he orders them to dance. It's why even Real Clear Politics says that most people want a democrat Congress.

 

[Ana the Ist]

It was a bill in Congress negotiated between the WH and congressional republicans until Trump ordered them to stop any bill that would do anything about illegal immigration.

Trump ordered them?

Hilarious. Who got orders from Trump and where's the proof?

Even the Border Patrol union supported this bill. And you never heard of it? Seriously?

Oh I read it....

It's a vast spending bill to support the war in the Ukraine with totally pointless nonsense thrown in about the border.

Which is what the bill would do.

How? Does it grab some kid in high school and start shaking him saying "you're gonna be an immigration judge son!" Then they throw him behind the gavel?

Where in the world are we going to get all these immigration judges? Do you really think there's some untapped pool of immigration judges just waiting for funding?

Imagine that you're in a society where people have free will.

There are lots of people qualified to be judge, and lots of them very familiar with immigration law.

Oh? How many?

Very familiar isn't a qualification of a judge...we want experts don't we?

In the lead-up to the vote, Lankford accused his Republican colleagues of opposing the bill on political, rather than policy, grounds.

I understand he was upset...his name was a big one on the creation of the bill. He would have been able to tell people he did something. It was largely his bill.

Of course. This would have been a disaster for Trump, if Biden got a bill that would enable him to more quickly end the backlog.

Biden wouldn't have even moved the backlog nor would we likely have those judges' positions filled up by the end of the next president's term....

And it does nothing to prevent others from entering and claiming asylum. No reason to believe that the backlog would budge at all.