The Church started in the wilderness

[JulieB67]

if the sabbath was not important, than please explain why did Paul follow it?

Paul always taught on all levels. He became all things to all people so he could bring them to the Lord. But it's never stated he observed the Sabbath. He taught on those days in the temple/synagogues but it never states he followed it after Christ. In fact, after Acts, the Sabbath is only mentioned one more time. He never taught it to anyone and it's never stated he did.

I Corinthians 9:19 "For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

I Corinthians 9:20 "And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;"

I Corinthians 9:21 "To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law."

Corinthians 9:22 "To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some."

He also preached on the first day of the week. So again, it matters not what day he taught. It did not mean he was observing the Sabbath when he preached on the Sabbath and it did not mean he was observing the Sabbath when he preached on the first day of the week. It does not matter. That's the point. It is not stated he observed the Sabbath period.

Acts 20:7 "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight

All the apostles, Jesus the son of GOD and everyone who belong to GOD and Love Him followed the Commandments and the sabbath, the fourth commandment.

The only time the Sabbaths are mentioned from Acts to Revelation (other than Col 2:16) has to deal with the preaching in the synagogues on those days. Naturally because that's where the crowds would be- especially the Jews. It's never stated anyone is being taught to keep/observe the Sabbath day. Or that they themselves observed those days after Christ. In fact, the Sabbath is only mentioned maybe 9 or 10 times after the gospel of John and it's always in the temple setting teaching the Jews and sometimes Gentiles. Again, there is not one verse that states any of the disciples or apostles observed the Sabbath after Christ. Preaching in the synagogues to the Jews about Christ has nothing to do with observing the Sabbath. And it's not stated as such.

Acts 18:4 "And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks."

Acts 18:5 "And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ."

Acts 18:6 "And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, "Your blood be upon your own heads: I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.

Other than Col 2:16, Acts 18:6 is the last time the Sabbath is ever mentioned in the NT.

Paul wrote most of the NT as that chosen vessel and after he went to the Gentiles he never taught anyone to observe the sabbath and was pretty clear in all of these verses with his teachings on the subject of observing days, those who still observed them and so on.

Romans 14:5 and 6

Galatians 4: 9 and 10

Col 2:16 and 17.

And Paul was trained in the ways of the law at a very high level. So it should be really telling in that again, after Acts 18 and Col 2, the Sabbath is never mentioned by him.

And it is not mentioned again by anyone else for that matter either in the NT after Acts/Col

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Paul always taught on all levels. He became all things to all people so he could bring them to the Lord. But it's never stated he observed the Sabbath. He taught on those days in the temple/synagogues but it never states he followed it after Christ. In fact, after Acts, the Sabbath is only mentioned one more time. He never taught it to anyone and it's never stated he did.

I Corinthians 9:19 "For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

I Corinthians 9:20 "And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;"

I Corinthians 9:21 "To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law."

Corinthians 9:22 "To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some."

He also preached on the first day of the week. So again, it matters not what day he taught. It did not mean he was observing the Sabbath when he preached on the Sabbath and it did not mean he was observing the Sabbath when he preached on the first day of the week. It does not matter. That's the point. It is not stated he observed the Sabbath period.

Acts 20:7 "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight


The only time the Sabbaths are mentioned from Acts to Revelation (other than Col 2:16) has to deal with the preaching in the synagogues on those days. Naturally because that's where the crowds would be- especially the Jews. It's never stated anyone is being taught to keep/observe the Sabbath day. Or that they themselves observed those days after Christ. In fact, the Sabbath is only mentioned maybe 9 or 10 times after the gospel of John and it's always in the temple setting teaching the Jews and sometimes Gentiles. Again, there is not one verse that states any of the disciples or apostles observed the Sabbath after Christ. Preaching in the synagogues to the Jews about Christ has nothing to do with observing the Sabbath. And it's not stated as such.

Acts 18:4 "And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks."

Acts 18:5 "And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ."

Acts 18:6 "And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, "Your blood be upon your own heads: I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.

Other than Col 2:16, Acts 18:6 is the last time the Sabbath is ever mentioned in the NT.

Paul wrote most of the NT as that chosen vessel and after he went to the Gentiles he never taught anyone to observe the sabbath and was pretty clear in all of these verses with his teachings on the subject of observing days, those who still observed them and so on.

Romans 14:5 and 6

Galatians 4: 9 and 10

Col 2:16 and 17.

And Paul was trained in the ways of the law at a very high level. So it should be really telling in that again, after Acts 18 and Col 2, the Sabbath is never mentioned by him.

And it is not mentioned again by anyone else for that matter either in the NT after Acts/Col

Many verses shows that Paul, a Jew, a pharisee who was extremely well educated followed the sabbath as it was customary for all Jews then;

“But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.” (Acts 13:14 KJV)

“And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.” (Acts 13:42 KJV)

“And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.” (Acts 16:13 KJV)

“And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures.” (Acts 17:2 KJV)

“And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.” (Acts 18:4 KJV)

As for Paul teaching on the sabbath, Jesus frequently taught in synagogues on the Sabbath (e.g., Luke 4:16; Mark 1:21). By following this practice, Paul could have been imitating Christ’s method of using the Sabbath as an opportunity to teach and engage with Jewish audiences. Jesus' Sabbath teachings often involved interpreting the Scriptures and revealing deeper spiritual truths, which Paul might have sought to continue.

1 Corinthians 11:1. (KJV), it reads:

"Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ."

Peace

 

[JulieB67]

“But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.” (Acts 13:14 KJV)

“And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.” (Acts 13:42 KJV)

“And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.” (Acts 16:13 KJV)

“And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures.” (Acts 17:2 KJV)

“And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.” (Acts 18:4 KJV)

I stated this already. Him teaching on the Sabbath does not mean he observed or followed the Sabbath. He preached on the first day of the week as well. So it means nothing. Preaching on the Sabbath does not mean one is observing or following the Sabbath. Paul has given us his teachings on observing days, not judging others for observing or not observing days and so on.

Paul could have been imitating Christ’s method of using the Sabbath as an opportunity to teach and engage with Jewish audiences.

I agree with this but it does not mean he is actually following or observing the Sabbath Day. He is teaching/preaching on those days and it's noted as such.

If so important to still follow why is the Sabbath only mentioned one more time after Acts?

 

[BeyondET]

Is this a call to shutdown all the sunday services.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

I stated this already. Him teaching on the Sabbath does not mean he observed or followed the Sabbath. He preached on the first day of the week as well. So it means nothing. Preaching on the Sabbath does not mean one is observing or following the Sabbath. Paul has given us his teachings on observing days, not judging others for observing or not observing days and so on.

Julie, paul probably preached every dsy when he was not on the move, this is what he did, i have given you proof he did keep the sabbath I explained that also Jesus was teaching ( mostly the commandments) in the sinagogues, paul was doing the same, he was teaching

Do you see a difference in the 10 commandments and the rest of the laws given by Moses?

 

[JulieB67]

, i have given you proof he did keep the sabbath

What, that he taught on the Sabbath days? I don't see that as proof. Again, Paul was everything to everyone so he could reach as many people as possible. Yes, he was a Jew, a Benjamite if we're being technical but they are linked together, yes. But after Christ it's not stated that he observed the Sabbath. He preached on the first day of the week as well so again that doesn't seem like proof at all if you're going by the preaching which you're agreeing that he most likely preached all the time. So where is your proof? Those verses are all about him teaching on the Sabbaths and reaching out to people on the Sabbaths.
And he wrote most of the NT so it's pretty telling that the Sabbath is only mentioned one more time after he left the Jews and went onto the Gentiles.

And yes, following Christ's example is a must but again, this is not proof that he was observing the Sabbath day. Those are just the days where he reasoned and preached to many as did Christ.

But again, after the Jews he went to the Gentiles and the Sabbath was virtually non existent after that in the NT.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Is this a call to shutdown all the sunday services.

What, that he taught on the Sabbath days? I don't see that as proof. Again, Paul was everything to everyone so he could reach as many people as possible. Yes, he was a Jew, a Benjamite if we're being technical but they are linked together, yes. But after Christ it's not stated that he observed the Sabbath. He preached on the first day of the week as well so again that doesn't seem like proof at all. It is to you but not to me.
And he wrote most of the NT so it's pretty telling that the Sabbath is only mentioned one more time after he left the Jews and went onto the Gentiles.

The other verses I pointed out they clearly proved he followed the sabbath. In any case it is O.K to disagree but you did not answer my last question if you might?

Do you see a difference in the 10 commandments and the rest of the laws given by Moses?

Blessings

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

@JulieB67 , I forgot something important, all Jews followed the sabbath at that time, they saw no reason to repeat something they all knew well and did every seventh day as written in the 10 commandments.

Peace

 

[BeyondET]

The other verses I pointed out they clearly proved he followed the sabbath. In any case it is O.K to disagree but you did not answer my last question if you might?

Do you see a difference in the 10 commandments and the rest of the laws given by Moses?

Blessings

Why was I included in your conversation with another poster?

Can you answer my question?

 

[JulieB67]

Do you see a difference in the 10 commandments and the rest of the laws given by Moses?

Certainly many and most of them pertain to that time -civil laws, etc about servants, property and so on. There might be still some that are still valid, etc. There are so many to go through. Blood ordinances were certainly nailed to the cross but anything of a moral nature should still certainly be followed as exampled in the 10 commandments. Whether one thinks these laws were just for Israel or not. But I see the general law separate from the actual 10 commandments, yes.
Although I am one of the non SDAs that do try and follow the health food laws. Animals don't change ever time, unclean then is still unclean today, pigs still don't have sweat glands and catfish, etc are still bottom feeders but that's another subject altogether...

Christ makes it simple and states we can hang all the law on loving God with all your heart, soul and mind and loving your neighbor as yourself. I think loving God with all your heart, soul and mind at this point would certainly go beyond one day of the week. I believe we should honor him every day of the week.

But I'm not sure what you're getting at in regards to the Sabbath. Again, we disagree on that. I don't believe one is breaking the 4th commandment but others do when one enters into Christ's rest and doesn't follow the weekly Sabbath.day. I believe entering Christ's rest fulfills that law. But as Paul states let us be persuaded in our own minds.

Back then, it was the law for Israel and everyone could take that day of rest. Now, people have mandatory overtime on Saturdays and Sundays. We have people working just on those days and the list goes on. But we have the freedom in Christ with His rest so one doesn't have to worry about things like that.

Thankfully God is the judge and heart knower.

 

[BeyondET]

I figured as much

 

[JulieB67]

, I forgot something important, all Jews followed the sabbath at that time, they saw no reason to repeat something they all knew well and did every seventh day as written in the 10 commandments.

That doesn't explain why we have no scripture in regards to teaching the Gentiles to observe this day if it was so important. Paul set up many churches and not a word in his letters to them. Instead he was telling others not to judge about observing certain days, etc. Those would have been the perfect times to reinforce the issue if it was so important.

ETA if it was there I would certainly follow it but I'm honestly not seeing it. Many of us see Hebrews 4 and Col 2:16/17 differently.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Regarding the teaching the Sabbath was not made for Gentiles, its not one that the bible supports.

God's people (Jew or Gentile) keep God's commandments Rev14:12- the Sabbath is a commandment of God written by God's own finger Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16 no greater Authority and the Sabbath is no different than any of the other 9 commandments. Breaking one of them even in the NT is like breaking them all James 2:10-12 and when breaking the least of these or teaching others one would be in fear of sin and Judgement Mat 5:19-30

The Sabbath started at Creation Exo 8:11 Gen 2:1-3 before sin , when it was just God's perfect plan, before Jew or Gentile, when it was just man- that Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man even in the NT Mat 2:27

In the Sabbath commandment was always a provision for Gentiles

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Christ made it clear the Sabbath is made for everyone

Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.

6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

Does Christ only want Jews to love His name, to bless only Jews, only Jews to join themselves to Christ, only Jews to be His servant- only Jews to keep His covenant- no Christ said everyone.


Which is why we see the Sabbath all throughout the NT because it never went anywhere. Jesus not once taught not to keep the Sabbath, it is still a commandment kept by God's faithful Luke 23:56

The bible is one book, not two, the God of Creation Exo 20:11 is still the God of Judgement Rev 14:7 He changes not, He told us His will, written by His own finger Psa 40:8 Heb 8:10 that all man will be Judged by according to NT scripture James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19 Rev 22:14-15 and OT Ecc 12:13-14 not altering any of His words thus saith the Lord Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18

Paul never taught anything different nor does he have the authority to countermand God decades after the Cross, hence why there is a warning about his writings. 2 Peter 3:16 when people use against the teachings of Christ- Paul was His servant and the creation. Jesus is the Creator and lived to show us the WAY- faithfully keeping the Sabbath and all of the commandments and is our example to follow 1 John 2:6

Which is why
Act 13: 42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

It was the Gentiles who begged to hear more preaching the "next Sabbath ( instead of the "day 1") because God's Sabbath never ended, nor will it ever Isa 66:22-23

The apostles preached every Sabbath to both Jews and Gentiles Acts 18:4 this is 30 plus years after the Cross where nothing could be changed not a dot of an i or cross of a t Mat 5:18- that's a lot of Sabbath-keeping.

It's simple- God's people keep God's commandments, and the Sabbath is a commandment of God.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

We do not enter into Christ rest through disobedience Heb 4:6 In Christ rest there is just peace and we are told how to obtain that Isa 48:18 Psa 119:165 this is the faith that reconciles Rev 22:14

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[SabbathBlessings]

Is this a call to shutdown all the sunday services.

Sunday keeping is not a commandment of God, it was never sanctified by God or given His blessing, God said it was for work and labors Exo 20:9 it is a tradition of man. It's one we were warned about would happen in scripture Dan 7:25

This is what Jesus said about this subject.

Mat 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; (only found in the Ten Commandments Exo 20:12) and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

Some traditions are fine, but when we are keeping them in lieu of the commandments of God, that's where they can be very problematic. Worshipping in vain- our heart is far from Christ, which is the opposite of the NT God's law in our heart Heb 8:10- this is a serious warning, that sadly many don't take very seriously for some reason.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Acts 20:7 Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.

The disciples broke bread everyday Acts 2:46

This passage is missing that the first day is a new day of worship, or the new Sabbath.

The other interesting thing about this passage is it was a Saturday evening meeting. The days begin in the evenings in scriptures, the Sabbath is from Friday evening to Saturday evening, this was the evening of the first day which makes it Saturday night. More importantly, the apostles do not have the authority to change God's commandments. They were servants of Christ and a servant is not greater than their Master John 13:16, Christ. Mat 28:18-20 God personally gave the Sabbath commandment written by His own finger, only God can reverse. He said He would not alter His Words Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18, so its best to let God be God and us be His faithful servants, living by His every Word.

 

[JulieB67]

Regarding the teaching the Sabbath was not made for Gentiles, its not one that the bible supports.

That wasn't what I was asking or stated. I was responding to this,

I forgot something important, all Jews followed the sabbath at that time, they saw no reason to repeat something

I asked why in the NT after Paul left the Jews where he taught them on many Sabbath days is the Sabbath only mentioned one more time after Acts when he went to the Gentiles? None of his letters taught Sabbath keeping. Quite the opposite on the subject really. If something is so important why nothing after Acts? From no one. The context of that is pretty telling along with Paul's teachings on the subject. Paul taught on all levels to the Jews and Gentiles and there is not one scripture, nothing in any of his letters where he taught anyone to observe the Sabbath day. And I don't believe he himself observed the day as noted in his letters on the subject. Teaching and preaching on the Sabbath to the Jews in the synagogues and other places about Christ does not imply he was observing the Sabbath.

Sunday keeping is not a commandment of God,

He mentioned church services not Sabbath keeping on a Sunday. People can worship God any day of the week. I don't think it always implies they are regarding it as a Sabbath or anything. Only SDAs seem to imply that. Are you stating people can't worship or have a church service on Sunday?

Which day a person goes to church has really has nothing to do with the Sabbath. Many people work inside the churches, cook inside the churches on those days and so on. So they wouldn't be observing or keeping the Sabbath regardless. That goes for any church.

Traditions have men have turned the Sabbath into meaning that is the day one should go to church. Just as traditions of men have turned the Lord's day into Sunday. Neither are true.

The disciples broke bread everyday Acts 2:46

An example that we can and should be worshiping God every day of the week, wherever and whenever. And the church itself is not a building or organization, it is the body. And that early church met whenever/wherever and the Lord himself added to the church "daily". It's a full time thing.

Traditions of men certainly make void the word of God since then.

More importantly, the apostles do not have the authority to change God's commandments.

You keep stating this as if they tried to. They didn't. They just know and taught that Christ was it, he fulfilled the law. He didn't change it but many including myself believe he definitely fulfilled the 4th commandment which is why you don't see any mention of keeping the Sabbath after Acts. Again, the very basic meaning is rest. It's not the day one goes to church or anything of that nature. It's the fact after we enter into His rest, we cease from our own works as God did his. It's so simple.

We have provided scriptures that prove that such as Colossians 2:16 and 17, so the burden of proof is on you. Just stating those Sabbaths are not the weekly Sabbath doesn't cut it. That's not proof. Anyone can see what the word is in the Greek that's laid out in the manuscripts and when you do you see that it is most definitely the weekly Sabbath days. Anyone can also do the same for holyday which is a feast/festival day, etc. That's why Paul was very sure to make that part was all inclusive and yet people are still confused today just as they are with many of his teachings.

Paul was a chosen vessel. So if you don't believe his words, you might as well not believe most of the NT. If he states they were a shadow of things to come, we can count on that along with the fact that Sabbath keeping is non existent after Acts in scripture. It's not necessary now that we have 24/7 rest in Christ. That was always going to be God's intent- Immanuel -God with us. Christ. It's His rest that we labor to enter in. And the NT after Acts which began the disciples/apostles ministry is alignment with that.

 

[BeyondET]

Sunday keeping is not a commandment of God, it was never sanctified by God or given His blessing, God said it was for work and labors Exo 20:9 it is a tradition of man. It's one we were warned about would happen in scripture Dan 7:25

This is what Jesus said about this subject.

Mat 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; (only found in the Ten Commandments Exo 20:12) and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

Some traditions are fine, but when we are keeping them in lieu of the commandments of God, that's where they can be very problematic. Worshipping in vain- our heart is far from Christ, which is the opposite of the NT God's law in our heart Heb 8:10- this is a serious warning, that sadly many don't take very seriously for some reason.

So you are support shutting down the Sunday services?

Doesn't the Bible say don't be concern with what others eat or new moon or a sabbath?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

That wasn't what I was asking or stated. I was responding to this,

My post was not directed to anyone in particular.

I asked why in the NT after Paul left the Jews where he taught them on many Sabbath days is the Sabbath only mentioned one more time after Acts when he went to the Gentiles? None of his letters taught Sabbath keeping. Quite the opposite on the subject really. If something is so important why nothing after Acts? From no one. The context of that is pretty telling along with Paul's teachings on the subject. Paul taught on all levels to the Jews and Gentiles and there is not one scripture, nothing in any of his letters where he taught anyone to observe the Sabbath day. And I don't believe he himself observed the day himself as noted in his letters on the subject. Teaching and preaching on the Sabbath to the Jews in the synagogues about Christ does not imply he was observing the Sabbath.

Can you please point out the verse that says if not repeated in every chapter it means we can ignore? The Sabbath is a commandment of God thus saith the Lord Exo 20:8-11 Exo 20:6 so every time we see to keep the commandments of God, it includes the Sabbath commandment. The Sabbath is still a commandment even in the NT Luke 23:56 that everyone of God's faithful and Jesus all kept. Thats the group I want to follow but we all have free will.

Preaching and reading God's Word on the Sabbath is a way to obverse the Sabbath. Isa 58:13 It's how Jesus also observed the Sabbath- reading God's Word on the Sabbath in the synagogues. Paul was imitating Christ, kept every Sabbath Acts 18:4 who Jesus kept the Sabbath commandment and is our example to follow. 1 John 2:6

The fact the Sabbath is still called the Sabbath in the NT shows the Sabbath never went anywhere God defined the Sabbath clearly Exo 20:8-11 and said He would not alter His words Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18

How Jesus kept the Sabbath

Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:

18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me [i]to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are [j]oppressed;
19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”

Mark 1:21 Then they went into Capernaum, and immediately on the Sabbath He entered the synagogue and taught.
Mark 6:2 And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue. And many hearing Him were astonished, saying, “Where did this Man get these things? And what wisdom is this which is given to Him, that such mighty works are performed by His hands!
Luke 6:6 6 Now it happened on another Sabbath, also, that He entered the synagogue and taught. And a man was there whose right hand was withered.
Luke 13:10 Now He was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath.
Luke 14:1 Now it happened, as He went into the house of one of the rulers of the Pharisees to eat bread on the Sabbath, that they watched Him closely.
John 9:14 14 Now it was a Sabbath when Jesus made the clay and opened his eyes.

The Sabbath was documented and kept in all four gospels.

How the apostles kept the Sabbath- decades after the Cross

Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.
- Acts 1:12

But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
- Acts 13:14

For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
- Acts 13:27

And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
- Acts 13:42

And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
- Acts 13:44

For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
- Acts 15:21

And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
- Acts 16:13

And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
- Acts 17:2

And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
- Acts 18:4

There is a whole lot of Sabbath keeping going on the New Testament! The argument the apostles were not keeping the Sabbath is with the Text.

He mentioned church services not Sabbath keeping on a Sunday. People can worship God any day of the week. I don't think it always implies they are regarding it as a Sabbath or anything. Only SDAs seem to imply that. Are you stating people can't worship or have a church service on Sunday?

They mentioned they went to church on the Sabbath which is an example of keeping the Sabbath Lev 23:3 Luke 4:16

Which day a person goes to church has really has nothing to do with the Sabbath. Many people work inside the churches, cook inside the churches on those days and so on. So they wouldn't be observing or keeping the Sabbath regardless. That goes for any church.

The Sabbath is the only day that is holy, blessed by God and sanctified by God. It is fitting for a Christ follower to go to Church on the Sabbath- the same day Christ did as a way to keep holy the Sabbath commandment, instead of keeping holy a day that God said was for works and labors. You can't serve two masters. The Sabbath is more than about just going to church but its part of it according to the example of Jesus and the apostles.

Traditions have men have turned the Sabbath into meaning that is the day one should go to church. Just as traditions of men have turned the Lord's day into Sunday. Neither are true.

You mean the example that Jesus left for us? There is no scripture that says the Lords day is on Sunday. That is a man-made doctrine that is contrary to what God said in His own Words that He never rescinded. Who are we to speak for God.


God in His own Words called the Sabbath, My holy day, the holy day of the Lord. Isa 58:13 the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exo 20:10 written personally by God Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16

Sunday is a commandment of the Catholic church. If you obey Rome- keep Sunday. If you obey God- keep the Sabbath. Whoever we obey is who we serve. Rom 6:16

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903

An example that we can and should be worshiping God every day of the week, wherever and whenever. And the church itself is not a building or organization, it is the body. And that early church met whenever/wherever and the Lord himself added to the church "daily". It's a full time thing.

Traditions of men certainly make void the word of God since then.





You keep stating this as if they tried to. They didn't. They just know and taught that Christ was it, he fulfilled the law. He didn't change it but many including myself believe he definitely fulfilled the 4th commandment which is why you don't see any mention of keeping the Sabbath after Acts. Again, the very basic meaning is rest. It's not the day one goes to church or anything of that nature. It's the fact after we enter into His rest, we cease from our own works as God did his. It's so simple.

We have provided scriptures that prove that such as Colossians 2:16 and 17, so the burden of proof is on you. Just stating those Sabbaths are not the weekly Sabbath doesn't cut it. That's not proof. Anyone can see what the word is in the Greek that's laid out in the manuscripts and when you do you see that it is most definitely the weekly Sabbath days. Anyone can also do the same for holyday which is a feast/festival day, etc. That's why Paul was very sure to make that part was all inclusive and yet people are still confused today just as they are with many of his teachings.

Paul was a chosen vessel. So if you don't believe his words, you might as well not believe most of the NT. If he states they were a shadow of things to come, we can count on that along with the fact that Sabbath keeping is non existent after Acts in scripture. It's not necessary now that we have 24/7 rest in Christ. That was always going to be God's intent- Immanuel -God with us. Christ. It's His rest that we labor to enter in. And the NT after Acts which began the disciples/apostles ministry is alignment with that.

Already addressed, but believe what you want. All gets sorted out soon enough, but its not something I would want to be wrong about considering all the warnings Jesus gave. Mat 5:19-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 7:21-23 etc

 

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So you are support shutting down the Sunday services?

Doesn't the Bible say don't be concern with what others eat or new moon or a sabbath?

Sunday service is a man-made holiday that started with Rome in the 3rd century from Pegan traditions. It started with sun worship that turned into Sunday worship. Sun worship is what Christ says is the greatest abomination. Ezekiel 8:13-18. I do find it a bit ironic what is the 4th plague is in end times. Unfortunately, it is not Sunday service that will be shut down on earth, but Sabbath service, those who keep the commandments. Just like in Daniel. Just like we are told would happen Rev 12:17 Rev 12:13-14 but we are told Christ prevails in the end Isa 66:22-23

If you are referring to Col 2:16, the context starts in Col 2:14KJV that no one ever quotes for some strange reason. I posted this before and no one has ever addressed each point- not everyone wants to understand the Truth to God's Word- All of God's commandments are Truth Psa 119:151 but many prefer their own truth and stay in darkness instead of coming to the light John 3:18-20


There is more than one Sabbath in the scripture. The weekly Sabbath, that is a commandment of God, written on the Authority of God by God's own finger, that is holy and blessed by God. Only God can reverse His blessing Num 23:20 and there is no thus saith the Lord about not keeping the Sabbath commandment - He states the opposite, most Sabbath teachings are directly from God. There are also the yearly sabbath(s) that have to do with food and drink offerings, came after the fall, are ordinances written by the hand of Moses placed outside the ark as a witness against Deut 31:24-26

Paul went out of His way to ensure people would not confusion these sabbath(s) the context is in verse 14 that no one ever quotes for some strange reason

Col 2:1414 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Is this the context of the weekly Sabbath according to scriptures?

Is the Sabbath an ordinance?
God calls it part of My commandments right in the Ten Commandments Exo 20:6


Is the Sabbath handwritten?
Exodus 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

The finger is not the hand.

Is the Sabbath against and contrary- what does God say:
Exo 20:3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
Holy, Blessed and sanctified is not the definition of contrary and against.

There is nothing in the weekly Sabbath that has to do with food, drink, new moons or sabbath(s)- the weekly Sabbath is the Sabbath day Exo 20:10 the holy day of the Lord, My holy day Isa 58:13

Plus the weekly Sabbath according to God can't be a shadow of anything as He points us right back to Creation- Remember the Sabbath day from Creation Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

God never wants us to forget where we came from or Who created us. Thats the other spirit who tells us we don't have to Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy, not God. God said the opposite.

Obviously the context doesn't fit, but what is sad is people don't care. Covering our sins and staying in darkness is not going to help anyone Pro 28:13 John 3:18-20 we are only sanctified by the Truth of God's Word John 17:17 and all of God's commandments are Truth Psa 119:151


Col 2:14-17 is referring to the annual sabbath(s) and sacrificial offerings that came after the fall, that have to do with food, drink that are ordinances handwritten by Moses2 Chronicles 33:8 , that were placed outside the ark as a witness against Deut 31:24-26 that all pointed forward to Christ. Heb 10:1-22 1 Cor 5:7 The weekly Sabbath was part of God's perfect plan before sin entered. The yearly sabbath(s) was added after the fall of man. Not the same sabbath.

Such a sad teaching taken out of context just like we are warned would happen 2 Peter 3:16. The weekly Sabbath is always connected to the God of Creation Exo 20:11 and Remembering the Sabbath and keeping it holy shows, we are ones of God's people Eze 20:20, We depend on Him, the only God that can sanctify us Eze 20:12 but sadly, many depend on their own sanctification instead.

 

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Sunday service is a man-made holiday that started with Rome in the 3rd century from Pegan traditions. It started with sun worship that turned into Sunday worship. Sun worship is what Christ says is the greatest abomination. Ezekiel 8:13-18. I do find it a bit ironic what is the 4th plague is in end times. Unfortunately, it is not Sunday service that will be shut down on earth, but Sabbath service, those who keep the commandments. Just like in Daniel. Just like we are told would happen Rev 12:17 Rev 14:13-14 but we are told Christ prevails in the end Isa 66:22-23

If you are referring to Col 2:16, the context starts in Col 2:14KJV that no one ever quotes for some strange reason. I posted this before and no one has ever addressed each point- not everyone wants to understand the Truth to God's Word- All of God's commandments are Truth Psa 119:151 but many prefer their own truth and stay in darkness instead of coming to the light John 3:18-20


There is more than one Sabbath in the scripture. The weekly Sabbath, that is a commandment of God, written on the Authority of God by God's own finger, that is holy and blessed by God. Only God can reverse His blessing Num 23:20 and there is no thus saith the Lord about not keeping the Sabbath commandment - He states the opposite, most Sabbath teachings are directly from God. There are also the yearly sabbath(s) that have to do with food and drink offerings, came after the fall, are ordinances written by the hand of Moses placed outside the ark as a witness against Deut 31:24-26

Paul went out of His way to ensure people would not confusion these sabbath(s) the context is in verse 14 that no one ever quotes for some strange reason

Col 2:1414 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Is this the context of the weekly Sabbath according to scriptures?

Is the Sabbath an ordinance?
God calls it part of My commandments right in the Ten Commandments Exo 20:6


Is the Sabbath handwritten?
Exodus 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

The finger is not the hand.

Is the Sabbath against and contrary- what does God say:
Exo 20:3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
Holy, Blessed and sanctified is not the definition of contrary and against.

There is nothing in the weekly Sabbath that has to do with food, drink, new moons or sabbath(s)- the weekly Sabbath is the Sabbath day Exo 20:10 the holy day of the Lord, My holy day Isa 58:13

Plus the weekly Sabbath according to God can't be a shadow of anything as He points us right back to Creation- Remember the Sabbath day from Creation Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

God never wants us to forget where we came from or Who created us. Thats the other spirit who tells us we don't have to Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy, not God. God said the opposite.

Obviously the context doesn't fit, but what is sad is people don't care. Covering our sins and staying in darkness is not going to help anyone Pro 28:13 John 3:18-20 we are only sanctified by the Truth of God's Word John 17:17 and all of God's commandments are Truth Psa 119:151


Col 2:14-17 is referring to the annual sabbath(s) and sacrificial offerings that came after the fall, that have to do with food, drink that are ordinances handwritten by Moses2 Chronicles 33:8 , that were placed outside the ark as a witness against Deut 31:24-26 that all pointed forward to Christ. Heb 10:1-22 1 Cor 5:7 The weekly Sabbath was part of God's perfect plan before sin entered. The yearly sabbath(s) was added after the fall of man. Not the same sabbath.

Such a sad teaching taken out of context just like we are warned would happen 2 Peter 3:16. The weekly Sabbath is always connected to the God of Creation Exo 20:11 and Remembering the Sabbath and keeping it holy shows, we are ones of God's people Eze 20:20, We depend on Him, the only God that can sanctify us Eze 20:12 but sadly, many depend on their own sanctification instead.

A simple yes or no will do.

Would you support shutting down Sunday services?