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So let's hear what you believe according to the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. Your statement of belief.
Doctrinally speaking I'm an Evangelical-Chalcedonian Christan so would accept the nicene creed as a statement of faith (no need to repeat it, it's the SoF of CF). There are further denominational distinctive but the framework is Evangelical-Chalcedonian based.

I approach law through the lens of Christ. Without Christ law is nothing, and the gospel message is deeply woven throughout and it is that message I study. Law's meaning is greatest when it shows Christ so it is that greatness I seek. For example the Genesis creation account shows us a framework of salvation with light being spoken into darkness. There is no value to me in the literalness of the account, or how it is used as a platform for law, the value to me is light being spoken in darkness as unpack in 2 Cor 4:6. Christ is the light, he starts a transformation work that when complete ushers in rest. Can there be any greater truth in the account? All else is secondary and pales in comparison.

Show me any law, any commandmentment, any ceremony, any covenant, any sacrafice or festival and I approach them all through a lens of Christ, as it is only through Christ that they can have meaning.
 
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Christmas and Easter is paganism.
Don't forget about obelisk steeples, how about our pagan days of the week, or our pagan months? Christmas is a pagan winter solstice celebration. (The tree is a whole other pagan adoption) What about Hades? Pagan place of the dead that Jesus so quickly adopts.

Here's a heavy one to ponder, the 7 day week is pagan. Babylonians venerated 7 as it matched the 7 visible celestial bodies and out of that comes the structure of a 7 day week, they even had sabbath events where they stopped working as the 7th day was most venerated. the Hebrews likely adopted this during Babylonian captivity.

But God has redeemed these pagan characteristics to proclaim truth. What's the truth? What the truth isn't is keeping 7 days, ritual rest, continual blood sacrifices, separating grains or thread, keeping special dietary rules, cutting off foreskin, etc... those things only testify to the truth. The truth is Christ and without Christ as the central message of the law it is reduced to mere pagan values.
 
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If you think a Christmas tree fulfills this passage, then don't have a Christmas tree in your house. But don't condemn us who have greater faith than you, who understand that there is no other god, and that the tree is not a idol, or an object of worship. You condemn in others the weakness you find in yourself, but that weakness is not in everyone else.

Yes, the path is narrow, but you are trying to put pitfalls and stumbling blocks in the way. Allow the freedom for which Christ died to set you free.
Jesus says in John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. Pay attention what's being said hear in John 7:51 Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth? If one really read the Bible you would know that it's wrong to lie and deal with paganism.

Didn't Jesus say in John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. Isn't it written Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

(Exodus 20:2-5)

So you go and buy I tree or cut one down and install it in your home. Put a star on the top of it. Where are the stars? In the sky, which is called Heaven also. And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. (Genesis 1:14-16) Then you fix the tree to look good, buy gifts and put it under the tree. Every time you put a gift under that tree you bow down to it. But let's read a little about what you not suppose to be doing....

"Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers that it move not. They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. (Jeremiah 10: 1-5)

Also it’s written Daniel 5: 22 And thou his son, O Belshazzar, hast not humbled thine heart, though thou knewest all this; 23but hast lifted up thyself against the Lord of heaven; and they have brought the vessels of his house before thee, and thou, and thy lords, thy wives, and thy concubines, have drunk wine in them; and thou hast praised the gods of silver, and gold, of brass, iron, wood, and stone, which see not, nor hear, nor know: and the God in whose hand thy breath is, and whose are all thy ways, hast thou not glorified:
 
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Jesus says in John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. Pay attention what's being said hear in John 7:51 Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth? If one really read the Bible you would know that it's wrong to lie and deal with paganism.

Didn't Jesus say in John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. Isn't it written Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

(Exodus 20:2-5)

So you go and buy I tree or cut one down and install it in your home. Put a star on the top of it. Where are the stars? In the sky, which is called Heaven also. And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. (Genesis 1:14-16) Then you fix the tree to look good, buy gifts and put it under the tree. Every time you put a gift under that tree you bow down to it.
As I said before, it you think that a tree in your house is a sinful thing, don't have one.

But who are you that you should judge me? I do not worship a tree. I do not bow down to a tree. I do not put a star on top of my tree. I do not teach my children that the tree is their God, or that they should honor the tree in any way. It is the condition of the heart that determines the value of an act. A cleaner mopping the floor before a cross may bend down to clean up a spot and this may not be worship. But a supplicant who stands before the cross without bowing can be worship.
But let's read a little about what you not suppose to be doing....

"Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers that it move not. They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. (Jeremiah 10: 1-5)

Also it’s written Daniel 5: 22 And thou his son, O Belshazzar, hast not humbled thine heart, though thou knewest all this; 23but hast lifted up thyself against the Lord of heaven; and they have brought the vessels of his house before thee, and thou, and thy lords, thy wives, and thy concubines, have drunk wine in them; and thou hast praised the gods of silver, and gold, of brass, iron, wood, and stone, which see not, nor hear, nor know: and the God in whose hand thy breath is, and whose are all thy ways, hast thou not glorified:
Not a single one of these have I broken in celebrating Christmas, Easter, or any other "Christian" holidays. There is ONE God in Heaven, and no gods on Earth. Gold, silver, bronze, brass, iron, wood, stone, plastic, etc. are not gods nor are they worshiped in my household.

You come across as seeing yourself as so much holier than everyone else because you keep the Law of Moses. I pray that you find a little bit of humility before God humbles you. As a good friend of mine puts it, "Humble yourself in the sight of the Lord, or He will do it for you."
 
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As I said before, it you think that a tree in your house is a sinful thing, don't have one.

But who are you that you should judge me? I do not worship a tree. I do not bow down to a tree. I do not put a star on top of my tree. I do not teach my children that the tree is their God, or that they should honor the tree in any way. It is the condition of the heart that determines the value of an act. A cleaner mopping the floor before a cross may bend down to clean up a spot and this may not be worship. But a supplicant who stands before the cross without bowing can be worship.

Not a single one of these have I broken in celebrating Christmas, Easter, or any other "Christian" holidays. There is ONE God in Heaven, and no gods on Earth. Gold, silver, bronze, brass, iron, wood, stone, plastic, etc. are not gods nor are they worshiped in my household.

You come across as seeing yourself as so much holier than everyone else because you keep the Law of Moses. I pray that you find a little bit of humility before God humbles you. As a good friend of mine puts it, "Humble yourself in the sight of the Lord, or He will do it for you."
How is it that you say I think I'm,"so much holier than everyone else because you keep the Law of Moses." All I do is quote the Bible and this is to help you other people see the truth, I'm not on this site to think what saying about me. I know it's true what I'm saying because you can't read Christmas, Easter, or any other man's traditional (Sunday the 1st day as the Sabbath)" holidays," but you can read the Holydays in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, all kept even after the death of Jesus. Now, if you want to go church on what ever day except Saturday, the Sabbath day, and do all those others things thats not written then that's up to you. But I have love for you that's why I take the time and post these scriptures and verses so you can see. I'm sorry you feel that way, but the Lord knows I'm trying to help people see the truth in his word. This is true love, and if obeyed how much better would our world be? This is why Jesus said that the two greatest commandments are loving the Lord with all your heart, soul, and mind; and loving your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 22:35-40). These two commandments are the foundation of the entire law. Many reject the law, but it is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good (Romans 7:12) even today. This includes the Sabbath day, because theres no one Commandment pluck out of the nine.

We still must obey all of God's laws and statues of conduct, from the ten commandments to the least commandment. We cannot choose to obey one without obeying the others. For instance, if it's still good to pay tithes (as many preach), then it is still good to obey God's dietary law (not eating pork, catfish, etc...Leviticus 11:1-47). Similarly, you cannot purposely trip a blind person (Leviticus 19:14) and claim to love your neighbor as yourself. Neither can you break God's Sabbath days (Leviticus 19:30) and claim to love God with all your heart, soul and mind. If you don't believe what I believe then that's fine, but stop trying to make it seem as though I'm not humble, because that's lying on me.
 
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How is it that you say I think I'm,"so much holier than everyone else because you keep the Law of Moses." All I do is quote the Bible and this is to help you other people see the truth, I'm not on this site to think what saying about me.
You quote from the OT as if those commandments still have any relevance to us today. And you condemn anyone who doesn't believe as you do or keep the holidays and festivals that you keep or who keeps any festival or holiday that you do not. This is very, very un-Christ-like.
I know it's true what I'm saying because you can't read Christmas, Easter, or any other man's traditional (Sunday the 1st day as the Sabbath)" holidays,"
There are no commandments in the OT or NT to celebrate Christmas, Easter, or to worship on Sunday. Here you are correct.
But there is also no commandment to celebrate Hanukkah in the OT either. Yet Jesus celebrated Hanukkah (the Festival of Lights). Was Jesus wrong to celebrate a holiday that was not commanded in the Law of Moses? Was this a sin that Jesus committed? NO!!! So why do you condemn others for celebrating holidays that are not in Scripture?
but you can read the Holydays in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, all kept even after the death of Jesus.
Passover is not commanded to be kept after Jesus' death. Jesus changed Passover to a commemoration of His death, and narrowed the required items from a lamb and herbs and blood etc. down to just the bread and the wine.
Sabbath was completely removed from any necessity to keep.
And there are no other holidays or holy days that are commanded to be kept in the NT.
Now, if you want to go church on what ever day except Saturday, the Sabbath day, and do all those others things thats not written then that's up to you. But I have love for you that's why I take the time and post these scriptures and verses so you can see. I'm sorry you feel that way, but the Lord knows I'm trying to help people see the truth in his word.
If you are trying to get people to see the truth, you first have to know the truth yourself. What you are teaching is Old Covenant requirements. The New Covenant does not require the same things that the OC did.
This is true love, and if obeyed how much better would our world be? This is why Jesus said that the two greatest commandments are loving the Lord with all your heart, soul, and mind; and loving your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 22:35-40). These two commandments are the foundation of the entire law. Many reject the law, but it is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good (Romans 7:12) even today. This includes the Sabbath day, because theres no one Commandment pluck out of the nine.
All ten of the ten commandments were removed along with all of the rest of the OC when Jesus died. Not a single commandment from the OC survived. We are under the NC, and only the requirements, commandments, and ordinances that are a part of the NC are valid for us today. Loving and serving only God is a command in the NC.
Loving our neighbor is a command in the NC.
Not murdering is a command in the NC.
Not lusting is a command in the NC.
Not coveting is a command in the NC.
Keeping the sabbath is NOT is a command in the NC.
We still must obey all of God's laws and statues of conduct, from the ten commandments to the least commandment. We cannot choose to obey one without obeying the others. For instance, if it's still good to pay tithes (as many preach), then it is still good to obey God's dietary law (not eating pork, catfish, etc...Leviticus 11:1-47).
Wrong. We are only required to keep the laws and requirements of the covenant under which we live. The dietary restrictions of the OC were removed by Jesus (Mark 7:18-19), and confirmed by God when He talked to Peter in a dream (Acts 10). Today, we are permitted to eat anything we want without condemnation, because nothing that goes into the mouth defiles the soul. Only that which comes out of the heart can defile the soul.
Similarly, you cannot purposely trip a blind person (Leviticus 19:14) and claim to love your neighbor as yourself. Neither can you break God's Sabbath days (Leviticus 19:30) and claim to love God with all your heart, soul and mind.
You honor one day above the others. I honor all days equally (they are all holy to the Lord, for He is Holy and He is in all days). Stop condemning me and anyone else who doesn't keep the sabbath, because we are not your servants and we do not answer to you. We answer to our Lord just as you do. He will accept your keeping of the sabbath as worship to Him. But He also accepts our worship on Sunday, and Wednesday, and Thursday, and Monday, etc. (Rom 14). When you are God, you can condemn us for not keeping your commands. But until then, understand that the OC has been removed, and the NC does NOT include all the commands of the OC.
 
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I wonder how God feels about His Sabbath not being part of His law in the NC. Heb 8:10 that He personally wrote Exo 31:18 as if anyone is above Him to edit one jot or tittle. Not once does He say this. Jesus taught something different Mat 5:19 and God's commandments are still God's commandments in the NC according to Jesus Mat 15:3-14 and still sin to break 1 John 3:4 James 2:10-12. Its all a matter of faith.
 
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They will not teach every man his fellow citizen
and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
for all will know me,
from their least to their greatest. Hebrews 8

The Lord, your God, is among you, a mighty one who will save. He will rejoice over you with joy. He will calm you in his love. He will rejoice over you with singing Zephaniah 3:17
 
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I wonder how God feels about His Sabbath not being part of His law in the NC. Heb 8:10 that He personally wrote Exo 31:18 as if anyone is above Him to edit one jot or tittle. Not once does He say this. Jesus taught something different Mat 5:19 and God's commandments are still God's commandments in the NC according to Jesus Mat 15:3-14 and still sin to break 1 John 3:4 James 2:10-12. Its all a matter of faith.
the meaning of the Sabbath is complete through Christ. the law serves as a physical counterpart to the meaning found in Christ, we may continue to repeat the physical remembrance in acts of worship but Christ is still the one that gives the rest, not the adherence to the physical. It was always this way, even in the OC, but the OC is without the revelation that the NC has, so the rest found only in Christ was in ignorance and the commandments are then needed in the wake of this ignorance so that the message can be made evident through Christ. But he has come and we know that the law's design was to prepare a way for Christ and Sabbath is no different.

Sabbath itself is a construct of God, manifested in the 7th day, then in the law, and through Christ (Christ is even called the logos). All are from the same construct which is the unaltered truth of God, revealed in different ways and times. The 4th commandment is not the 7th day but it clear the two are based on the same construct. Christ is also not the 4th commandment, nor is he the 7th day but Christ is the Word of God (logos) so it is all through him that these things have meaning and without Christ Sabbath has no meaning. He is more than a mere example of the construct, he is the logos of God. We value the Sabbath in the OT through Christ, not the adherence of a day, but by the rest that he gives us. This is the same with all law, it all points to Christ as he is the logos that which all law is based on, law however is a physical analog and cannot give us a promise of the spiritual (law itself cannot give us spiritual rest) but we go direct to the logos and with it the spiritual promises are complete without ever knowing the OC or even hearing of the word Sabbath let along keeping it.

the 4th commandment is a giant arrow that points to Christ, where I don't have an issue with continued worship through the Sabbath day, I'm confused why stop there? it's like stopping at a sign on the highway saying "Capital City 50 mi". If your goal is the capital city, then that sign is not it. get back in the car and keep on driving. By design Sabbath law it should be emphasizing Christ while deemphasizing itself. His Sabbath is an essential part of the NC, it however is not the 4th commandment.
 
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Pro 30:5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;
6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He shall direct your paths.

Best not to trust our own ideas over what God says. We are told not to do this but let Him direct our paths and He does through His Word Psa 119:105

No scripture says the Sabbath means complete through Christ and we can dishonor God by disobeying Him. We should obey all of God's commandments the way He said because He is God and we are the creation. God said on the Sabbath we are to put aside all secular works and honor Him by doing His ways and we see this through the scriptures by going to Chruch Lev 23:3 Luke 4:16 Acts 13:44 reading His Word Acts 13:27 Acts 15:21 Acts 17:2 prayer Acts 16:13 and helping others in need through the example of Jesus.

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Isa 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,
 
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Jesus did talk about fulfilling the law and the prophets. We also know that the law, including things related to the Sabbath, had a shadow

Whatever you desire for men to do to you, you shall also do to them; for this is the law and the prophets Matthew 7
 
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Shadows laws were always part of the plan of salvation. The Sabbath started at Creation and points us back to Creation- Remember the Sabbath day Exo 20:8 Gen 2:1-3. There was no need for a plan of salvation until Adam and Eve sinned, so nothing at Creation was a "shawdow" and there is no record they sinned on day 7 after they were just created.
 
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the meaning of the Sabbath is complete through Christ. the law serves as a physical counterpart to the meaning found in Christ, we may continue to repeat the physical remembrance in acts of worship but Christ is still the one that gives the rest, not the adherence to the physical. It was always this way, even in the OC, but the OC is without the revelation that the NC has, so the rest found only in Christ was in ignorance and the commandments are then needed in the wake of this ignorance so that the message can be made evident through Christ. But he has come and we know that the law's design was to prepare a way for Christ and Sabbath is no different.

Sabbath itself is a construct of God, manifested in the 7th day, then in the law, and through Christ (Christ is even called the logos). All are from the same construct which is the unaltered truth of God, revealed in different ways and times. The 4th commandment is not the 7th day but it clear the two are based on the same construct. Christ is also not the 4th commandment, nor is he the 7th day but Christ is the Word of God (logos) so it is all through him that these things have meaning and without Christ Sabbath has no meaning. He is more than a mere example of the construct, he is the logos of God. We value the Sabbath in the OT through Christ, not the adherence of a day, but by the rest that he gives us. This is the same with all law, it all points to Christ as he is the logos that which all law is based on, law however is a physical analog and cannot give us a promise of the spiritual (law itself cannot give us spiritual rest) but we go direct to the logos and with it the spiritual promises are complete without ever knowing the OC or even hearing of the word Sabbath let along keeping it.

the 4th commandment is a giant arrow that points to Christ, where I don't have an issue with continued worship through the Sabbath day, I'm confused why stop there? it's like stopping at a sign on the highway saying "Capital City 50 mi". If your goal is the capital city, then that sign is not it. get back in the car and keep on driving. By design Sabbath law it should be emphasizing Christ while deemphasizing itself. His Sabbath is an essential part of the NC, it however is not the 4th commandment.
That's not Bible, that's Romans Christianity doctrine. The lord have not changed his ways. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed (Malachi 3:6) or Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Honoring the Sabbath on the 7th day is a commandment from God given from the beginning of the creation.

The Sabbath did not start with Moses; understand that the Sabbath day is intended to be observe by all nation of people. Its origin goes back to the creation of the world and of mankind. In (Genesis 2:1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The above scriptures clearly show that God blessed, sanctified and made Holy the 7th Day at the beginning of the world. God chose to cease from His labor not because He was tired. He chose to cease and rest because he was finished with His creation. The Lord had completed the heavens and the earth along with the creation of man. This day represent a future day of rest, after the Great tribulation period.

This day is not alike any other day, it's set apart. Paul understood in Hebrews 4: 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, If they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

So this is what the whole world would be missing out on, because some don’t believe, they believe Sunday is the day to have an Holy Convocation on and it’s not written in the Bible.
 
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The phrase "shadow laws" does not occur in the scriptures

We do read that the law has a shadow

For the law, having a shadow of the good to come Hebrews 10

Edited to add: But if you believe God wants you to do things like attend church on the seventh day, by all means
do it!

I was glad when they said to me, “Let’s go to the house of the Lord" Psalm 122
 
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That's not Bible, that's Romans Christianity doctrine. The lord have not changed his ways. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed (Malachi 3:6) or Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Honoring the Sabbath on the 7th day is a commandment from God given from the beginning of the creation.

The Sabbath did not start with Moses; understand that the Sabbath day is intended to be observe by all nation of people. Its origin goes back to the creation of the world and of mankind. In (Genesis 2:1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The above scriptures clearly show that God blessed, sanctified and made Holy the 7th Day at the beginning of the world. God chose to cease from His labor not because He was tired. He chose to cease and rest because he was finished with His creation. The Lord had completed the heavens and the earth along with the creation of man. This day represent a future day of rest, after the Great tribulation period.

This day is not alike any other day, it's set apart. Paul understood in Hebrews 4: 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, If they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

So this is what the whole world would be missing out on, because some don’t believe, they believe Sunday is the day to have an Holy Convocation on and it’s not written in the Bible.
it doesn't appear you've understood my post. I certainly did not say the sabbath started with Moses, nor did I say God has changed his ways. This is just sabbath keeper rhetoric that shows you are either unwilling or unable to have a meaningful discussion.

sabbath in creation is not a commandment it is an action. Sabbath is a verb in Genesis that God does on the 7th day of creation. The day is not called "the Sabbath" it is a description of what God did on the 7th day, in fact, there is no usage of the word Sabbath as a noun in the entire book of Genesis and only in Exodus is this noun concept "the sabbath" introduced. In Exodus, it is indeed a commandment but it is within covenant boundaries that we are no longer in, the same as the sacrificial system or circumcision or a myriad of other laws. The law for the sabbath itself is to remember the 7th day with instructions on how to remember it. It is a ceremonial expression of the 7th day but does not suggest this is resurrected instructions since the beginning or retroactive since no such commandment exists in creation or the whole of Genesis. You could certainly say that if you wanted, but there is no biblical support for sabbath commandments or sabbath keeping in Genesis (outside of God himself on the day in question)

Sabbath also points to spiritual rest outside of the physical. Neither Exodus nor Genesis speaks of this spiritual rest yet there is no argument that it indeed speaks to rest far beyond the physical body. But we do have Paul quoting creation to show that that light is the light of Christ in 2 Cor 4:6 and using that we can also infer that the sabbath is the result of the work started through Christ. Since sabbath is brought about in creation because of completed work we can use this is a heuristic to look at the new creation which has a focus on spiritual values and the rest in the new creation is only through Christ. Phil 1:6 says "he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion" so Christ is doing a work in us, and the completion is pulling from the 7th day value of creation.

So we have creation, law and new creation all carrying sabbath meaning but in different ways. the law is ceremonial in remembrance of the 7th day. the 7th day is the result of the completed work started by light separating darkness and can be viewed as a metaphor for the new creation as Christ separated the darkness in our lives which is what we call salvation and Christ is doing a work in us until completion. All of these share a common idea that predates even the 7th day. If this is an unchanging way of God then sabbath predates all of creation as well. the 7th day then is a physical expression too or at least in physical language so it too is not the beginning. the concept of Sabbath pre-dates it all.

God does not need to rest so physical rest is not the meaning of the sabbath. the physical does not pre-date the physical yet this idea of the sabbath predates creation. so we can conclude the physical components of the sabbath are contextually based, as they need a physical context in order for physical instruction to take place. That physical context is found post-creation not pre-creation so the physical aspects are not the innate expression of the sabbath. Sabbath is also not just another word for salvation, even if it is a product of it because salvation needs someone to save and again is based on a physical context of the fallen. So Sabbath is greater than physical rest and salvation that pre-exits the fallen state of the world, that pre-exists all of physical and creation itself. Sabbath itself is a pre-existing construct that is invariably of God himself, the physical expressions are then based on this infallible construct and can adopt a cotextual form that may differ in place and time, the form can be fluid but the construct itself is unchanging

It's like telling a child not to touch a stove, hot or otherwise, then when they are older teaching them how to use a stove. The two of these seem to conflict, one is saying stay away, and the other is teaching the conditions to use it but both are based on the same construct. That construct is about the well-being of the child and is given through instruction appropriate to their age and maturity. The warning in the early years still instills cautionary values in the later years and they are not tossed away like there was never any reason for the warning. Or with the karate kid, we see him painting a fence or waxing a car in a specific form "wax on, wax off" The student did not know the reason for the form and only later was it revealed as a skillset outside of painting and waxing, in fact, the student no longer needed to wax cars or paint fences anymore once it was revealed to him what the form meant. The old man however never stopped teaching the same thing, they just took different forms based on the maturity and growth of the student. The relationship with the new and the old are in the same way. in fact, Gal 3:24-25 puts it exactly this way saying "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." Christ tells us a commandment too that like the law is based on the same construct, Christ's however is revealed to us in the maturity and growth we are in, not what we were in. That commandment is the commandment to love your neighbour as yourself which Paul tells us it is a fulfillment of the law. it fulfills the law, not because it summerize the law in some way, but because it is based on the same construct of law so both have the same goals but is approriate to who we are now in the new covenant.

the 7th day is not the sabbath complete, the 4th commandment is not the sabbath complete. these are physical forms based on the unchanging construct of what the sabbath is. Christ is the final step in this, since Christ is the logos he exists as sabbath incarnate, as he exists as God incarnate so he carries with him all that the infallible is incarnate. the law is not God incarnate but it does point to Christ who is God incarnate, so there is no other purer form we can get in the physical than Christ himself. Christ is not merely a physical expression like the written word, or a law or commandment is, he is the Word of God, he is the Logos of God. So whatever infallible characteristic we can think of, including sabbath, we don't have to repeat a ceremony to gain access to them, we may go straight to the incarnate source. This in no way says the sabbath starts at Moses but sabbath commandment does, or in no way says God has changed his ways. it's understanding the limits of law and how they are used to show us where we can get access to God himself, once only through the law, now through Christ.
 
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A lot of words and explanations instead of Jesus is not something to be listened to, is not good, and not to be sought after nor desired, I think.
I'm not sure if this was aimed at my post or not since you were not specific. the deep dive into the logic is a reflection of the history of the discussion but the conclusion is still Christ.
 
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A lot of words and explanations instead of Jesus is not something to be listened to, is not good, and not to be sought after nor desired, I think.
I think we can have a deep discussion about the law and talk about Jesus as well ❤️

Of him all the prophets bear witness Acts 10:43

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it doesn't appear you've understood my post. I certainly did not say the sabbath started with Moses, nor did I say God has changed his ways. This is just sabbath keeper rhetoric that shows you are either unwilling or unable to have a meaningful discussion.

sabbath in creation is not a commandment it is an action. Sabbath is a verb in Genesis that God does on the 7th day of creation. The day is not called "the Sabbath" it is a description of what God did on the 7th day, in fact, there is no usage of the word Sabbath as a noun in the entire book of Genesis and only in Exodus is this noun concept "the sabbath" introduced. In Exodus, it is indeed a commandment but it is within covenant boundaries that we are no longer in, the same as the sacrificial system or circumcision or a myriad of other laws. The law for the sabbath itself is to remember the 7th day with instructions on how to remember it. It is a ceremonial expression of the 7th day but does not suggest this is resurrected instructions since the beginning or retroactive since no such commandment exists in creation or the whole of Genesis. You could certainly say that if you wanted, but there is no biblical support for sabbath commandments or sabbath keeping in Genesis (outside of God himself on the day in question)

Sabbath also points to spiritual rest outside of the physical. Neither Exodus nor Genesis speaks of this spiritual rest yet there is no argument that it indeed speaks to rest far beyond the physical body. But we do have Paul quoting creation to show that that light is the light of Christ in 2 Cor 4:6 and using that we can also infer that the sabbath is the result of the work started through Christ. Since sabbath is brought about in creation because of completed work we can use this is a heuristic to look at the new creation which has a focus on spiritual values and the rest in the new creation is only through Christ. Phil 1:6 says "he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion" so Christ is doing a work in us, and the completion is pulling from the 7th day value of creation.

So we have creation, law and new creation all carrying sabbath meaning but in different ways. the law is ceremonial in remembrance of the 7th day. the 7th day is the result of the completed work started by light separating darkness and can be viewed as a metaphor for the new creation as Christ separated the darkness in our lives which is what we call salvation and Christ is doing a work in us until completion. All of these share a common idea that predates even the 7th day. If this is an unchanging way of God then sabbath predates all of creation as well. the 7th day then is a physical expression too or at least in physical language so it too is not the beginning. the concept of Sabbath pre-dates it all.

God does not need to rest so physical rest is not the meaning of the sabbath. the physical does not pre-date the physical yet this idea of the sabbath predates creation. so we can conclude the physical components of the sabbath are contextually based, as they need a physical context in order for physical instruction to take place. That physical context is found post-creation not pre-creation so the physical aspects are not the innate expression of the sabbath. Sabbath is also not just another word for salvation, even if it is a product of it because salvation needs someone to save and again is based on a physical context of the fallen. So Sabbath is greater than physical rest and salvation that pre-exits the fallen state of the world, that pre-exists all of physical and creation itself. Sabbath itself is a pre-existing construct that is invariably of God himself, the physical expressions are then based on this infallible construct and can adopt a cotextual form that may differ in place and time, the form can be fluid but the construct itself is unchanging

It's like telling a child not to touch a stove, hot or otherwise, then when they are older teaching them how to use a stove. The two of these seem to conflict, one is saying stay away, and the other is teaching the conditions to use it but both are based on the same construct. That construct is about the well-being of the child and is given through instruction appropriate to their age and maturity. The warning in the early years still instills cautionary values in the later years and they are not tossed away like there was never any reason for the warning. Or with the karate kid, we see him painting a fence or waxing a car in a specific form "wax on, wax off" The student did not know the reason for the form and only later was it revealed as a skillset outside of painting and waxing, in fact, the student no longer needed to wax cars or paint fences anymore once it was revealed to him what the form meant. The old man however never stopped teaching the same thing, they just took different forms based on the maturity and growth of the student. The relationship with the new and the old are in the same way. in fact, Gal 3:24-25 puts it exactly this way saying "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." Christ tells us a commandment too that like the law is based on the same construct, Christ's however is revealed to us in the maturity and growth we are in, not what we were in. That commandment is the commandment to love your neighbour as yourself which Paul tells us it is a fulfillment of the law. it fulfills the law, not because it summerize the law in some way, but because it is based on the same construct of law so both have the same goals but is approriate to who we are now in the new covenant.

the 7th day is not the sabbath complete, the 4th commandment is not the sabbath complete. these are physical forms based on the unchanging construct of what the sabbath is. Christ is the final step in this, since Christ is the logos he exists as sabbath incarnate, as he exists as God incarnate so he carries with him all that the infallible is incarnate. the law is not God incarnate but it does point to Christ who is God incarnate, so there is no other purer form we can get in the physical than Christ himself. Christ is not merely a physical expression like the written word, or a law or commandment is, he is the Word of God, he is the Logos of God. So whatever infallible characteristic we can think of, including sabbath, we don't have to repeat a ceremony to gain access to them, we may go straight to the incarnate source. This in no way says the sabbath starts at Moses but sabbath commandment does, or in no way says God has changed his ways.
No God have not change his ways.
it's understanding the limits of law and how they are used to show us where we can get access to God himself, once only through the law, now through Christ.
Paul say in 2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. Now any Christian in their right mind wouldn’t dare say that it’s okay to steal, kill or commit adultery or break any of the other seven commandments. But when it comes to the fourth commandment, it's avoided it like a plague! I believe you just following the tradition of religion Roman Christianity doctrine.


Jesus made it clear that the seventh day was made for mankind. (Mark 2:27-28) (v.27) And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath: Do we understand that, the Sabbath was made for us, not us for the Sabbath. (v.28) Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath. The Son of man (Jesus) is the Lord God of the seventh day Sabbath (Saturday).

God intended for the weekly Sabbath (this word means rest in Hebrew) to be a refreshing blessing for mankind. God knew that human beings would need periodic rest and change from work. But the purpose for keeping God's Sabbath goes far beyond simply resting on that day, which I explain a little in the last post. We need that time each week to have close spiritual contact with God through prayer, bible study and fellowship with other believers. The Sabbath day is a blessing not a curse as ministers of Satan would have you to believe. Yes Satan has his own ministers and they bring you his doctrine. (2 Cor.11: 13-15) For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. (v.14) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. (v.15) Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Paul say in (1 Tim.4: 1) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; The first day of the week, as the Sabbath day, is the doctrine of the devil. Satan is always trying to mimic God. So if it is not of God then it is of Satan. So if the seventh day Sabbath (Saturday) is a sign between God and His people. Then the first day (Sunday) is a sign between somebody and his people. You can’t have it both ways you are either in or out. Paul says in 2 Corinthians 11: 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
 
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Paul say in 2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. Now any Christian in their right mind wouldn’t dare say that it’s okay to steal, kill or commit adultery or break any of the other seven commandments. But when it comes to the fourth commandment, it's avoided it like a plague! I believe you just following the tradition of religion Roman Christianity doctrine.

this is unsubstantiated accusations. I can just turn around and quote the same verses to you and claim you follow other gospel/traditions of men. it does not critically engage the topic, you just seem to want to point an accusatory finger but with no firm evidence to support your claim.

Jesus made it clear that the seventh day was made for mankind. (Mark 2:27-28) (v.27) And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath: Do we understand that, the Sabbath was made for us, not us for the Sabbath. (v.28) Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath. The Son of man (Jesus) is the Lord God of the seventh day Sabbath (Saturday).

Jesus did not say the seventh day was made for man he said the Sabbath was made for man. This is different as it applies to instruction because the 4th commandment is instructions for man in remembrance of the 7th day but the 7th day itself has no instructions for man and is action of God using "sabbath" as a verb, more properly ceasing his work of creation since it was complete. If you want to take a more abstract angle and speak of spiritual rest to say the 7th day points to giving us spiritual rest thus applies to man I would agree, but it defeats your argument of the universal commandment of the 4th day working outside it's covenant boundries.

Jesus calls himself the Lord of the Sabbath. This means he has authority over the Sabbath and one with authority gives and takes things as they wish. remember the 4th commandment, it is spoken to those with authority over the household with instruction to ensure everyone in the household keeps the sabbath including the servants and the animals. the thing with animals is that have no authority to rest and can only rest when they are given rest by one with authority. Jesus has the authority and he gives us rest, he however does not require the ceremony of rest that is the 4th commandment to receive it. He is the one that was there during the first sabbath, it is his to give and his to take away as he sees fit. This is what Lord of the Sabbath means. It's like someone caught trespassing on private land by a groundskeeper, the groundskeeper demands the trespassers be removed but then the owner comes out and says it's his land and he will decide who gets to stay or not then invites the people to stay. the groundskeeper is trying to follow a set of rules, he has no authority to do anything else, the owner however has the authority to invite whom he wants even if it doesn't formally follow a set of rules. He's the master, what he says is the rule.

God intended for the weekly Sabbath (this word means rest in Hebrew) to be a refreshing blessing for mankind. God knew that human beings would need periodic rest and change from work. But the purpose for keeping God's Sabbath goes far beyond simply resting on that day, which I explain a little in the last post. We need that time each week to have close spiritual contact with God through prayer, bible study and fellowship with other believers. The Sabbath day is a blessing not a curse as ministers of Satan would have you to believe. Yes Satan has his own ministers and they bring you his doctrine. (2 Cor.11: 13-15) For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. (v.14) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. (v.15) Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

the sabbath is indeed beyond physical rest and points to spiritual rest that can only be found in Christ. A spiritual focus with God through prayer, bible study, and fellowship with other believers is not a sabbath unique instruction, that is Christian living practice. for example, just read Acts 2:42-47

They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. All the believers were together and had everything in common. They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.

this seems like your Sabbath-day practice description, yet to the early church, this was observed daily. These communal-devotional characteristics you are connecting with are your typical once-a-week gathering tradition for the modern church. For yourself it's on the Sabbath which I assume is friday sundown to saturday sundown, to others it's on a sunday and still others on other days of the week. It would be a mistake to restrict spiritual devotion to one day of the week and it should be encouraged as unbroken daily practice. The 4th commandment does not give this sort of instruction that you are puffing it up to be, you seem to have introduced tradition into your idea of Sabbath and that is what you keep.

Paul say in (1 Tim.4: 1) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; The first day of the week, as the Sabbath day, is the doctrine of the devil. Satan is always trying to mimic God. So if it is not of God then it is of Satan. So if the seventh day Sabbath (Saturday) is a sign between God and His people. Then the first day (Sunday) is a sign between somebody and his people. You can’t have it both ways you are either in or out. Paul says in 2 Corinthians 11: 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Sure we all could accuse each other of giving in the to doctrines of Satan but doing that would be demeaning rhetoric, I'm not even sure why you think it would be appropriate to even say that here, it is incredibly hurtful language. rather than hollow accusations, critical engagement is far more appreciated.
 
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this is unsubstantiated accusations. I can just turn around and quote the same verses to you and claim you follow other gospel/traditions of men. it does not critically engage the topic, you just seem to want to point an accusatory finger but with no firm evidence to support your claim.
I disagree, because what I preach I do and it's written. On the other hand you are under the Roman Christianity doctrine. The word of God is given to the Israelites not the Gentiles or any other nation of people. The Hebrew Israelites the ones in captivity to this day is to teach the rest of the sons of Adam. The lord have not changed his ways. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed (Malachi 3:6) or Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Let’s go into Romans 11: 1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, 3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Paul says in Romans 9: 3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4 who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5 whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

I understand this, but the Lord allow the Gentiles to run the earth and now they have tried to over take his word and that's a problem. Because they don't understand a lot of it, and have added and took away from it. But let’s go to Joel 3: 1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, 2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land. 3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink. 4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head; 5 because ye have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried into your temples my goodly pleasant things: 6 the children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border. 7 Behold, I will raise them out of the place whither ye have sold them, and will return your recompence upon your own head:

So in the near future the Lord (Jesus), at his second coming, will bring a very great war in the vally of Jehoshaphat or the Vally of Migiddo. But we also see in the past Israel was sold for merchandise or a medium of exchange during slavery. This is facts real uncut word of God.
Jesus did not say the seventh day was made for man he said the Sabbath was made for man. This is different as it applies to instruction because the 4th commandment is instructions for man in remembrance of the 7th day but the 7th day itself has no instructions for man and is action of God using "sabbath" as a verb, more properly ceasing his work of creation since it was complete. If you want to take a more abstract angle and speak of spiritual rest to say the 7th day points to giving us spiritual rest thus applies to man I would agree, but it defeats your argument of the universal commandment of the 4th day working outside it's covenant boundries.

Jesus calls himself the Lord of the Sabbath. This means he has authority over the Sabbath and one with authority gives and takes things as they wish. remember the 4th commandment, it is spoken to those with authority over the household with instruction to ensure everyone in the household keeps the sabbath including the servants and the animals. the thing with animals is that have no authority to rest and can only rest when they are given rest by one with authority. Jesus has the authority and he gives us rest, he however does not require the ceremony of rest that is the 4th commandment to receive it. He is the one that was there during the first sabbath, it is his to give and his to take away as he sees fit. This is what Lord of the Sabbath means. It's like someone caught trespassing on private land by a groundskeeper, the groundskeeper demands the trespassers be removed but then the owner comes out and says it's his land and he will decide who gets to stay or not then invites the people to stay. the groundskeeper is trying to follow a set of rules, he has no authority to do anything else, the owner however has the authority to invite whom he wants even if it doesn't formally follow a set of rules. He's the master, what he says is the rule.



the sabbath is indeed beyond physical rest and points to spiritual rest that can only be found in Christ. A spiritual focus with God through prayer, bible study, and fellowship with other believers is not a sabbath unique instruction, that is Christian living practice. for example, just read Acts 2:42-47

this seems like your Sabbath-day practice description, yet to the early church, this was observed daily. These communal-devotional characteristics you are connecting with are your typical once-a-week gathering tradition for the modern church. For yourself it's on the Sabbath which I assume is friday sundown to saturday sundown, to others it's on a sunday and still others on other days of the week. It would be a mistake to restrict spiritual devotion to one day of the week and it should be encouraged as unbroken daily practice. The 4th commandment does not give this sort of instruction that you are puffing it up to be, you seem to have introduced tradition into your idea of Sabbath and that is what you keep.
The book say in (Ex.31:16-17) (v.16) Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. (v.17) It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. You see that the Sabbath day is a sign between God and His people forever. Israel was His people then and whoever chooses to obey Him now are His people. Let take a look those who choose to be with the lord and obey him. Let’s go into Isaiah 56: 1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. 2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil. 3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. 4For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 7 even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

There is no such thing is a Sabbath Sunday. That's adding to the word of God, can't do that! It's written in Rev. 22: 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

The Biblical Sabbath, however, is and has always been on the seventh day of the week, or Saturday. Despite the prevalence of Sunday worship in Christendom, we must look to the Bible as our authority and keep the seventh day Sabbath ordained by God.

Ample evidence from history shows that the celebration of Sunday originated from pagan practices of SUN WORSHIP. In March of 321 A.D., the Roman Emperor Constantine, who was at first a sun-worshiper and later a Christian convert, issued the first decree declaring Sunday to be a legal day of rest. In 336 A.D., the Roman Catholic Church officially changed the observance of Sabbath to Sunday for political and economic expediency. Since then, the original Sabbath gradually gave way to Sunday observance and the practice remains to this day.

Sure we all could accuse each other of giving in the to doctrines of Satan but doing that would be demeaning rhetoric, I'm not even sure why you think it would be appropriate to even say that here, it is incredibly hurtful language. rather than hollow accusations, critical engagement is far more appreciated.
I'm trying to get people in the kingdom of God and help people with this word of God. I know and understand it's hard to change. Don't be upset, please focus on what I'm saying and what the book is saying to do. I'm here to help not hurt. The book say in Revelation 18:
1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

peace in Jesus name
 
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