VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

[Jeffrey Bowden]

Scripture teaches that there's only one last trumpet, only one first resurrection of the dead in Christ, only one gathering of all living saints, only one second coming of our Lord and King Jesus Christ. There is no secret pretrib rapture taught in scripture; it is the private interpretation of man. We will be snatched up to meet the Lord as He is returning to pour out HIS wrath on an unbelieving world. Peace and blessings to all my brothers and sisters in Christ. Amen amen.

Jesus’ promise in Rev 3:10 is about the future generation who will be alive when the 7-year Trib starts. The “hour of trial” / “hour of temptation” is the 7-year Trib, otherwise known as Daniel’s 70th week in Daniel 9:27.

Jesus promised He would keep all believers from the Trib. That aligns perfectly with 1 Th 1:10 (ESV): and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

Let’s first define God’s wrath. It is well-defined in Ezekiel 14:21 (NLT): “Now this is what the Sovereign Lord says: How terrible it will be when all four of these dreadful punishments fall upon Jerusalem—war, famine, wild animals, and disease—destroying all her people and animals.

In the verse above, “war” is one of the most dreadful forms of God’s wrath. Here’s Rev 6:4 (NLT): Then another horse appeared, a red one. Its rider was given a mighty sword and the authority to take peace from the earth. And there was war and slaughter everywhere.

Rev 6:4 is about the 2nd seal. It will feature one of the four most dreadful forms of God’s wrath: wars. Wars in the 2nd seal will occur all over the world simultaneously. It will be Hell on Earth. Many inhabitants on Earth will be killed.

So, we know that God’s wrath will come in the 2nd seal. That satisfies the requirement for God’s wrath, at the beginning of the Trib, for the purposes of 1 Th 1:10.

“Delivers us” in 1 Th 1:10 relates to the second usage of “deliverance,” in the Bible. That second usage translates to “snatch away.” Therefore, that verse is about our being “snatched away” before God’s wrath will come in the Trib. We know from Rev 6:4 that God’s wrath will come in the 2nd seal.

1 Th 1:10 is the first verse Apostle Paul wrote about the pre-Trib rapture. We will be raptured (snatched away) from Earth immediately prior to the Trib due to God’s wrath about to come in the 2nd seal.

That is what Jesus means in Rev 3:10. He will keep us from “the hour of trial.” We believers will not enter the 7-year Trib.

 

[Apple Sky]

That is what Jesus means in Rev 3:10. He will keep us from “the hour of trial.” We believers will not enter the 7-year Trib

I reckon all the pre-trib believers are all in for a rude awakening.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

I reckon all the pre-trib believers are all in for a rude awakening.

You owe yourself a thorough read of Rev 6:15-17 (ESV): Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, 16 calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, 17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”

That is the 6th seal and EVERYONE on Earth is gathered for it. Everyone is so terrified they are running to hide in caves and among the rocks, even calling on mountains and rocks to fall on them. Why? So they can hide from an alleged sighting of Jesus.

Let me ask you. Is that how a believer would react to a sighting of Jesus? Of course not! We would run TO Jesus, to profusely thank Him and worship Him. You know that's true. However, what everyone on the planet does is run away to hide. They would rather have mountains fall on them than be seen by Jesus! There is no way there is one believer among them. There you have biblical proof that there are no believers on Earth as of the 6th seal. The Church is raptured before the Trib.

 

[Apple Sky]

There you have biblical proof that there are no believers on Earth as of the 6th seal.

Well Jesus will have me, I wont run and hide, I'll be there to welcome him with open arms on that final day.

Every eye shall see him on that final day including you my friend.

 

[Oseas]

I'd suggest that the evil present within all of us will never understand, or obey, regardless of any claims to the contrary. Primarily because it's an honest claim. Mark 7:21-23

I don't eat of your fruit according what you wrote above or even elsewhere, what you wrote is from your heart, it is the expression or the speech of the spirit of you since you ate of the fruit of good and bad as you said in prior post, so you ate good fruit(GOD's fruit) and also you ate fruit of the evil, Devil's fruit, or fruit of the man of sin, i.e. the dung that cometh out of man, as WE HAVE SEEN THROUGH THE DISCUSSIONS ABOVE about the rapture, and my GOD says by His Word, as follow: Ezekiel 4:12-17
12 And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, IN THEIR SIGHT.

13 And the Lord said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the GENTILES, whither I will drive them.

14 Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! behold, my soul hath not been polluted: for from my youth up even till now have I not eaten of that which dieth of itself, or is torn in pieces; neither came there abominable flesh into my mouth.

15 Then he said unto me, Lo, I have given thee cow's dung for man's dung(cow's dung or dung of heifer-JEWISH DUNG- Hosea 4:16 and Amos 4:1) and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith.

16 Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, behold, I will break the staff of bread in Jerusalem: and they shall eat bread by weight, and with care; and they shall drink water by measure, and with astonishment:

17 That they may want bread and water, and be astonied one with another, and consume away for their iniquity.

The Word of GOD is from everlasting to everlasting, understand? the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand?

Wake up, it's mid-night, understand?

 

[Oseas]

Scripture teaches that there's only one last trumpet, only one first resurrection of the dead in Christ, only one gathering of all living saints, only one second coming of our Lord and King Jesus Christ. There is no secret pretrib rapture taught in scripture; it is the private interpretation of man. We will be snatched up to meet the Lord as He is returning to pour out HIS wrath on an unbelieving world. Peace and blessings to all my brothers and sisters in Christ. Amen amen.

Yes, what you said above do remember the parable of the 10 virgins: Matthew 25:6 and10:

6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet Him.
10 And while they went to buy (oil), the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with Him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

 

[OnePlanPeopleDestiny]

Jesus’ promise in Rev 3:10 is about the future generation who will be alive when the 7-year Trib starts. The “hour of trial” / “hour of temptation” is the 7-year Trib, otherwise known as Daniel’s 70th week in Daniel 9:27.

Jesus promised He would keep all believers from the Trib. That aligns perfectly with 1 Th 1:10 (ESV): and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

Let’s first define God’s wrath. It is well-defined in Ezekiel 14:21 (NLT): “Now this is what the Sovereign Lord says: How terrible it will be when all four of these dreadful punishments fall upon Jerusalem—war, famine, wild animals, and disease—destroying all her people and animals.

In the verse above, “war” is one of the most dreadful forms of God’s wrath. Here’s Rev 6:4 (NLT): Then another horse appeared, a red one. Its rider was given a mighty sword and the authority to take peace from the earth. And there was war and slaughter everywhere.

Rev 6:4 is about the 2nd seal. It will feature one of the four most dreadful forms of God’s wrath: wars. Wars in the 2nd seal will occur all over the world simultaneously. It will be Hell on Earth. Many inhabitants on Earth will be killed.

So, we know that God’s wrath will come in the 2nd seal. That satisfies the requirement for God’s wrath, at the beginning of the Trib, for the purposes of 1 Th 1:10.

“Delivers us” in 1 Th 1:10 relates to the second usage of “deliverance,” in the Bible. That second usage translates to “snatch away.” Therefore, that verse is about our being “snatched away” before God’s wrath will come in the Trib. We know from Rev 6:4 that God’s wrath will come in the 2nd seal.

1 Th 1:10 is the first verse Apostle Paul wrote about the pre-Trib rapture. We will be raptured (snatched away) from Earth immediately prior to the Trib due to God’s wrath about to come in the 2nd seal.

That is what Jesus means in Rev 3:10. He will keep us from “the hour of trial.” We believers will not enter the 7-year Trib.

1. Revelation 3:10 is written to the 1st century congregation at Philadelphia. It is certainly informative for all generations of believers afterwards, and even instructive as to how present day Christians should be patiently keeping God's word, but it is not speaking to a secret rapture of believers.

When Jesus said in Rev. 3:10 "I will also keep thee", John quotes Jesus using the same Greek word (tereso) that Jesus used in John 17:15 when Jesus prayed to the Father not to take His disciples out of the world but to "keep them" (tereso) from evil. The word "tereso" means: to guard against while present. When Jesus says "tereso" in Rev. 3:10 He is telling His faithful ekklesia that He will guard them against the "hour of temptation to come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth". The "them" in 3:10 are the unbelievers and is distinguishable from the faithful in Christ whom Christ will guard against while present in the world during the trial to come.

2. No where in scripture does it explicitly say that Daniel's 70th week is a period of 7 years of tribulation or great tribulation. Even if that the 70th week is a period of tribulation, there is nothing in scripture that explicitly says the ekklesia will be removed from the earth during it. The fact that the word "ekklesia" is absent after Rev. 3 means that the "ekklesia" is still on earth, and that John is not a type of ekklesia but is only given a vision of things to come.

3. Tribulation is not God's wrath. Great tribulation is not God's wrath. "Thlipsis", the Greek for tribulation means persecution. "Megale Thlipsis", the Greek for great tribulation means widespread and intense persecution. "Orge" is the Greek word that is usually used for wrath, and refers to the intense outpouring of God's anger. As you will see if you look at these two words, they apply to two distinct situations: Thlipsis is committed against the ekklesia by Satan and wicked men. Megale Thlipsis is committed against the ekklesia by Satan, antichrist, and evil men. Orge is God pouring out HIS wrath on unbelievers.

Nowhere in scripture does Jesus ever explicitly say he will keep Christians from tribulation. In fact, Jesus tells his disciples that we will go through tribulation. Matthew 13:21, 24:21, 29-31,40-41, 1 Thessalonians 4:17; Mark 13:19-20, 24; Luke 21:10-28; John 16:33. Paul repeatedly informs his readers that he is their brother in tribulation and that there will much tribulationfor the faithful. Acts 14:22; Rom. 5:3, 8:35, 12:12; 2 Corinthians 1:4, 7:4; 1 Thessalonians 3:4; 2 Thessalonians 1:6. John also writes of of the shared tribulation with saints. Revelation 1:9.

Scripture repeatedly informs us that we will suffer if we are in fact faithful children of God and faithful to the Lord Jesus Christ. Because we are HIS, God will grant us grace and power to overcome every trial and tribulation.

4. Wars have been waging for millenia. The horses in Rev. 6 are symbolic of the death and destruction brought to bear on all people's of the earth (saints included) by antichrist.

Remember when God gave Satan power to inflict Job and to take all that he ha: his children, his great possessions, his status. Here in Revelation 6 God has given Satan power through antichrist to cause havoc on earth to do what Satan did with Job, namely: to test the faith of professing Christians in an effort to turn the some to rebel against God, apostacize. As we see in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, there will be a great apostasy when antichrist is revealed.

Furthermore, Paul writes that we are not gathered unto Christ until after that apostasy and the revealing of antichrist. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3. How long after will we be gathered unto the Lord? Suffice it to be that no matter how long after, our Lord Jesus Christ has promised that we will be guarded against antichrists evil ways while we are present during its reign of intense persecution. Even if we are killed during that time, we will go into the presence of the Lord and then be given resurrected glorified bodies at His second coming.

4. God's wrath is not poured out until after the 6th seal is opened, and after the prophesied cosmic disturbances take place. See Joel 2:31.

5. In 1 Thessalonians 1:10, the Greek word for "deliver" also means to "rescue or deliver out of." It does not mean that we will not be present during, but that we will be secure from it, just as Jesus said he would guard us against while we are in the world. See John 17:15 and Revelation 3:10.

The Bible is God's promise to us and is our greatest guide in understanding all of God's promises. Be a Berean and compare scripture with scripture and you'll hopefully see that God has one plan, one people, and one destiny for HIS people.

Christ returns:
Matt. 24:30
1 Thess. 4:16

From heaven:
Matt. 24:30
1 Thess. 4:16

With angels:
Matt. 24:31
1 Thess. 4:16

With the trump:
Matt. 24:31
1 Thess. 4:16

Believers are gathered to Christ:
Matt. 24:31, 40-41
1 Thess. 4:17

In the air/clouds:
Matt. 24:30
1 Thess. 4:17

At time unknown:
Matt. 24:30
1 Thess. 5:1-2

Jesus comes like a thief:
Matt. 24:43
1 Thess. 5:2, 4

Unbelievers are caught unaware:
Matt. 24:37-39
1 Thess. 5:3

Judgment like sudden birth pains:
Matt. 24:8
1 Thess. 5:3

Faithful believers will not be deceived:
Matt. 24:43
1 Thess. 5:4-5

The faithful will be watchful:
Matt. 24:37-39
1 Thess. 5:6

And will stay sober/alert:
Matt. 24:37-39
1 Thess. 5:7

May the Lord our God bless you and keep you and shine HIS face upon you. In Jesus's mighty holy holy holy and precious name. Amen amen.

 

[Oseas]

Jeremiah 23:28-32
28 ...He that hath my Word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the Lord.

29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

30 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the Lord, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.

31 Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the Lord, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.

32 Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the Lord, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the Lord.

 

[Apple Sky]

As we see in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, there will be a great apostasy when antichrist is revealed.

This will be the great falling away, I've very often wondered what causes the masses to fall way ??

Will it be this Temptation that Jesus saves us from in Revelation 3:10

 

[OnePlanPeopleDestiny]

This will be the great falling away, I've very often wondered what causes the masses to fall way ??

Will it be this Temptation that Jesus saves us from in Revelation 3:10

When the antichrist takes over, he or it deceives many into believing he is God. Many so-called Christians will be deceived. Many in the pretrib camp will be deceived because they have been brainwashed to believe they won't be present for antichrist or the beasts mark. That will lead many to worship the beast and take its mark. Once anyone does that, they are condemned.

 

[Oseas]

This will be the great falling away, I've very often wondered what causes the masses to fall way ??

Will it be this Temptation that Jesus saves us from in Revelation 3:10

Our Lord JESUS warned His people, His Church, through Revelation 12:15, saying: -->And the serpent cast out of his MOUTH water as a flood after the woman (Lord's Church), that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

Continue being careful, keeping 1Timothy 4:1-2:
1 The Spirit speaketh EXPRESSLY, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

Well Jesus will have me, I wont run and hide, I'll be there to welcome him with open arms on that final day.

Every eye shall see him on that final day including you my friend.

There are NO believers on Earth at the 6th seal. The evidence is overwhelming.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

1. Revelation 3:10 is written to the 1st century congregation at Philadelphia. It is certainly informative for all generations of believers afterwards, and even instructive as to how present day Christians should be patiently keeping God's word, but it is not speaking to a secret rapture of believers.

When Jesus said in Rev. 3:10 "I will also keep thee", John quotes Jesus using the same Greek word (tereso) that Jesus used in John 17:15 when Jesus prayed to the Father not to take His disciples out of the world but to "keep them" (tereso) from evil. The word "tereso" means: to guard against while present. When Jesus says "tereso" in Rev. 3:10 He is telling His faithful ekklesia that He will guard them against the "hour of temptation to come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth". The "them" in 3:10 are the unbelievers and is distinguishable from the faithful in Christ whom Christ will guard against while present in the world during the trial to come.

2. No where in scripture does it explicitly say that Daniel's 70th week is a period of 7 years of tribulation or great tribulation. Even if that the 70th week is a period of tribulation, there is nothing in scripture that explicitly says the ekklesia will be removed from the earth during it. The fact that the word "ekklesia" is absent after Rev. 3 means that the "ekklesia" is still on earth, and that John is not a type of ekklesia but is only given a vision of things to come.

3. Tribulation is not God's wrath. Great tribulation is not God's wrath. "Thlipsis", the Greek for tribulation means persecution. "Megale Thlipsis", the Greek for great tribulation means widespread and intense persecution. "Orge" is the Greek word that is usually used for wrath, and refers to the intense outpouring of God's anger. As you will see if you look at these two words, they apply to two distinct situations: Thlipsis is committed against the ekklesia by Satan and wicked men. Megale Thlipsis is committed against the ekklesia by Satan, antichrist, and evil men. Orge is God pouring out HIS wrath on unbelievers.

Nowhere in scripture does Jesus ever explicitly say he will keep Christians from tribulation. In fact, Jesus tells his disciples that we will go through tribulation. Matthew 13:21, 24:21, 29-31,40-41, 1 Thessalonians 4:17; Mark 13:19-20, 24; Luke 21:10-28; John 16:33. Paul repeatedly informs his readers that he is their brother in tribulation and that there will much tribulationfor the faithful. Acts 14:22; Rom. 5:3, 8:35, 12:12; 2 Corinthians 1:4, 7:4; 1 Thessalonians 3:4; 2 Thessalonians 1:6. John also writes of of the shared tribulation with saints. Revelation 1:9.

Scripture repeatedly informs us that we will suffer if we are in fact faithful children of God and faithful to the Lord Jesus Christ. Because we are HIS, God will grant us grace and power to overcome every trial and tribulation.

4. Wars have been waging for millenia. The horses in Rev. 6 are symbolic of the death and destruction brought to bear on all people's of the earth (saints included) by antichrist.

Remember when God gave Satan power to inflict Job and to take all that he ha: his children, his great possessions, his status. Here in Revelation 6 God has given Satan power through antichrist to cause havoc on earth to do what Satan did with Job, namely: to test the faith of professing Christians in an effort to turn the some to rebel against God, apostacize. As we see in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, there will be a great apostasy when antichrist is revealed.

Furthermore, Paul writes that we are not gathered unto Christ until after that apostasy and the revealing of antichrist. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3. How long after will we be gathered unto the Lord? Suffice it to be that no matter how long after, our Lord Jesus Christ has promised that we will be guarded against antichrists evil ways while we are present during its reign of intense persecution. Even if we are killed during that time, we will go into the presence of the Lord and then be given resurrected glorified bodies at His second coming.

4. God's wrath is not poured out until after the 6th seal is opened, and after the prophesied cosmic disturbances take place. See Joel 2:31.

5. In 1 Thessalonians 1:10, the Greek word for "deliver" also means to "rescue or deliver out of." It does not mean that we will not be present during, but that we will be secure from it, just as Jesus said he would guard us against while we are in the world. See John 17:15 and Revelation 3:10.

The Bible is God's promise to us and is our greatest guide in understanding all of God's promises. Be a Berean and compare scripture with scripture and you'll hopefully see that God has one plan, one people, and one destiny for HIS people.

Christ returns:
Matt. 24:30
1 Thess. 4:16

From heaven:
Matt. 24:30
1 Thess. 4:16

With angels:
Matt. 24:31
1 Thess. 4:16

With the trump:
Matt. 24:31
1 Thess. 4:16

Believers are gathered to Christ:
Matt. 24:31, 40-41
1 Thess. 4:17

In the air/clouds:
Matt. 24:30
1 Thess. 4:17

At time unknown:
Matt. 24:30
1 Thess. 5:1-2

Jesus comes like a thief:
Matt. 24:43
1 Thess. 5:2, 4

Unbelievers are caught unaware:
Matt. 24:37-39
1 Thess. 5:3

Judgment like sudden birth pains:
Matt. 24:8
1 Thess. 5:3

Faithful believers will not be deceived:
Matt. 24:43
1 Thess. 5:4-5

The faithful will be watchful:
Matt. 24:37-39
1 Thess. 5:6

And will stay sober/alert:
Matt. 24:37-39
1 Thess. 5:7

May the Lord our God bless you and keep you and shine HIS face upon you. In Jesus's mighty holy holy holy and precious name. Amen amen.

You are complicating matters. In Rev 3:10 (ESV): Jesus said, "I will keep you from the hour of trial." That means we will have no part in the Trib. We will never enter the Trib. We will not even be on Earth for the Trib. It says NOTHING about us entering the Trib. Hence, it says NOTHING about protection.

To be protected in the Trib, you would have to be a sealed servant of God. That is exactly what the 144k are in Rev 7:1-8. They are in the Trib in the first half and into the second half. Rev 9:4 is proof that they are on Earth and no believers are on Earth. Read it, and see.

 

[OnePlanPeopleDestiny]

There are NO believers on Earth at the 6th seal. The evidence is overwhelming.

No believers on earth at the 6th seal? You sure? Are not the 144,000 sealed of the 12 tribes all believers?

 

[OnePlanPeopleDestiny]

You are complicating matters. In Rev 3:10 (ESV): Jesus said, "I will keep you from the hour of trial." That means we will have no part in the Trib. We will never enter the Trib. We will not even be on Earth for the Trib. It says NOTHING about us entering the Trib. Hence, it says NOTHING about protection.

To be protected in the Trib, you would have to be a sealed servant of God. That is exactly what the 144k are in Rev 7:1-8. They are in the Trib in the first half and into the second half. Rev 9:4 is proof that they are on Earth and no believers are on Earth. Read it, and see.

I'm not complicating anything, I'm using and comparing scripture with scripture, and it all lines up just as God has written it.

Dispensationalism can't do that because it defeats their unbiblical positions that God has two plans (one for Israel and one for Gentiles), two peoples (Jews and Gentiles), two kingdom destinies (earthly for Jews heavenly for Gentiles), two wives for God (one for the Father one for the Son). These are all unbiblical positions and the cunning device of sinful men: Darby, Scofield, Ruckman, et al.

 

[Apple Sky]

There are NO believers on Earth at the 6th seal. The evidence is overwhelming.

Who does Jesus raise at the first Resurrection ?

Revelation 20:6​

Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years

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[Oseas]

There are NO believers on Earth at the 6th seal. The evidence is overwhelming.

What is written above is the LITERAL fulfillment of 2 Timothy 3:13, it is PREACHED AND WRITTEN by all them which believe in the SPIRIT of Devil. What is above written has nothing to do with the Holy Spirit but Satan. The true believers don't believe in doctrines of demons except if one of them fall into the trap of the Devil, which will now, from now on, be cast down into the bottomless pit, that he should deceive the nations no more, undeerstand?

The Word of GOD warns even here of the LITERAL fulfillment of 2 Timothy 3:13-> But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

Be careful or else get ready

The time now is of HARVEST, and my Lord made it clear: in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. I am one of the reapers, and you, who are you? My Lord GOD will show the difference between him that serveth HIM and him that serveth Him not-Malachi 3:18.

Revelation 11:15-18
15 ...The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD (Devil's world) are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before GOD on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped GOD,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord GOD Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.


The time now is of HARVEST, and my Lord made it clear: in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. I am one of the reapers, my Lord GOD will show the difference between him that serveth HIM and him that serveth Him not-Malachi 3:18

I work with the everlasting Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand?

Be careful or else get ready


Isaiah 26:19-21

20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: HIDE THYSELF as it were for a little moment (last week of years), until the indignation be overpast.

21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. -.The time now is of HARVEST and RESURRECTION.

Get ready

 

[Oseas]

Who then are those people in Isaiah 66:19 ?

Now, even now, from now on, my Lord JESUS, Christ JESUS, being sitting on His Throne àt the right Hand of the Father, He said since the beginning: All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth-Matthew 28:18. And now, even now, from now on, my Lord JESUS is sitting upon the throne of His glory, and He shall come in His Glory, understand? and all the holy messengers, the holy people of GOD, shall be with Him, understand? And what will my Lord JESUS do, as He has said around 2000 years ago? Matthew 25:32-34;->
32 Before Him shall be gathered all NATIONS: and shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.-->All power is given unto Him in heaven and in earth-Matthew 28:18, understand?
34 Then shall the King JESUS say unto them on His right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you-Revelation 11:15-18 combined with 1 Corinthians 15:24-27- from the foundation of the world.
My Lord JESUS made it very clear saying: Matthew 5:5: Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Isaiah prophesied of the glory of JESUS, saying: Isaiah 66:18-19
18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all NATIONS and tongues; and they shall come, and see my Glory.

19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.

Do ye not know that the saints shall Judge the world? -->The kingdoms of this world (Devil's world)are become the Kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever, understand? Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth, JESUS said.

Daniel chapter 7:
-->Judgment was /is given to the saints of the most High->Revelation 11:18<-; and the time CAME that the saints possessed the Kingdom. The Judgment shall sit, and they (the true believers in whole world) shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the END.

And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High-Revelation 11:18-, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Please cease from posting long scripture quotes. You flood the threads and we all read our Bibles, you are not my teacher.

Your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock-Genesis 3:1, not from GOD's perspective. Matthew 16:22-23

Daniel 2:44-45
44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

No believers on earth at the 6th seal? You sure? Are not the 144,000 sealed of the 12 tribes all believers?

The 144k are believers. When I say there are no believers on Earth during the Trib, I mean there are no believers who enter the Trib from folks like you and me (fellow Christians). The folks like you and me will all be pre-Trib raptured. During the Trib, it is understood that the 144k will be on Earth, making more and more new converts as the Trib unfolds. They and the 2W (Two Witnesses --- Rev 11:3) are the exceptions to my statement. Here's Rev 9:4 (NIV): They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. ----- The only folks that will have the seal of God on their foreheads are the 144k (Rev 7:3). The other folks who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads are unbelievers who will be very painfully harmed by the extraordinary locusts that are cited in Rev 9:3. In other words, aside from the 144k, everyone on Earth in Rev 9:4 are unbelievers. That's just another example of biblical proof of there not being any believers who enter the Trib.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

I'm not complicating anything, I'm using and comparing scripture with scripture, and it all lines up just as God has written it.

Dispensationalism can't do that because it defeats their unbiblical positions that God has two plans (one for Israel and one for Gentiles), two peoples (Jews and Gentiles), two kingdom destinies (earthly for Jews heavenly for Gentiles), two wives for God (one for the Father one for the Son). These are all unbiblical positions and the cunning device of sinful men: Darby, Scofield, Ruckman, et al.

I am happy to compare any verses you like. Here's why. All the verses that appear to invalidate, say, the pre-Trib rapture, have unrelated contextual relationships, every time. It is the context of verses that I insist on being recognized, because the contexts will prove the verses that allegedly invalidate the pre-Trib rapture are always verses about entirely different contexts.