Kamala Harris for President - the excitement is growing

[Merrill]

Yes. Harris has (almost) said as much. She is a progressive.

These are issues the Conservatives fret about. Maybe there are a majority of Americans with more tolerant attitudes.

translation=if you object to castrating kids and think age-of-consent laws are a good thing, or that kiddie drag shows are bad, you are "intolerant"

 

[o_mlly]

I believe Harris has supported health care for all people.

Who does not? We're all for motherhood and apple pie. But there are always trade-offs.

The questions that need answers are:

• Compared to what? Why is the free market not a better solution?
• At what cost? How do you propose paying for universal health care?
• How will we know that what you propose is better? What hard evidence do you have to support that it will be better?

Tip of the hat to Thomas Sowell!

 

[Merrill]

Who does not? We're all for motherhood and apple pie. But there are always trade-offs.

The questions that need answers are:

• Compared to what? Why is the free market not a better solution?
• At what cost? How do you propose paying for universal health care?
• How will we know that what you propose is better? What hard evidence do you have to support that it will be better?

Tip of the hat to Thomas Sowell!

and in retrospect, Democrats actually did have a chance to create a "public option" or universal healthcare of some kind under Obama

then the drug and insurance companies got involved, and they backed off right quick. We got the PPACA instead (Obamacare)

so even with congressional majorities and a "progressive" president, they still didn't do it.

because they have no intention of actually doing that

meanwhile, illegals get free healthcare and citizens pay for it

 

[Whyayeman]

Who does not? We're all for motherhood and apple pie. But there are always trade-offs.

The questions that need answers are:

• Compared to what? Why is the free market not a better solution?
• At what cost? How do you propose paying for universal health care?
• How will we know that what you propose is better? What hard evidence do you have to support that it will be better?

Tip of the hat to Thomas Sowell!

I think we might wait for Harris to answer those questions, though I think we know much of what she might say. (The thread could quickly go off-topic!)

 

[Merrill]

I think we might wait for Harris to answer those questions, though I think we know much of what she might say. (The thread could quickly go off-topic!)

she will say something like

"we need universal healthcare, because healthcare should be universal, and it is all about public health, and that should be universal, and everyone should be healthy, and that is why we need universal healthcare"

 

[Whyayeman]

she will say something like

"we need universal healthcare, because healthcare should be universal, and it is all about public health, and that should be universal, and everyone should be healthy, and that is why we need universal healthcare"

I am beginning to think you don't much like Democratic policies!

The thing is, there is growing excitement about Harris - in the knowledge of the sorts of things she would bring to table. We have rather different views of the future.

 

[Truth7t7]

...you may want to expand your perception to an actual debate between Harris and Pence in 2020....

No need to watch Kamala Harris who speaks in word salads, she's disingenuous IMHO

I'm well aware of who Kamala Harris is, so bad that her own father a professor at Stanford disowned her

Kamala owes her political career to "Willie Brown" speaker of the Calif assembly and mayor of San Franscisco., she had a relationship with Brown starting at 29 years old while he was 59, he appointed Kamala to various State positions

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Correct . But the excitement for her is growing. I was listening to commentary the other day that there was a lot of excitement at the idea and that there are many Dems who were not so excited about the race got enthused at the idea of it .

Is it excitement for the right reasons? (For instance, they actually like her policies)

Or is it excitement for a "first female president"?

Or is it a "she has a better chance to beat Trump than Biden"?

If it's the latter 2, then that's a novelty that could wear off rather quickly. For instance, the progressive wing hasn't been thrilled with Biden's handling of Gaza, if she's just an extension of his policies with a more articulate, "first ever to check this demographic box" wrapper, then she'll quickly run into the same problems he did.

 

[Pommer]

No need to watch Kamala Harris who speaks in word salads, she's disingenuous IMHO

I'm well aware of who Kamala Harris is, so bad that her own father a professor at Stanford disowned her

Kamala owes her political career to "Willie Brown" speaker of the Calif assembly and mayor of San Franscisco., she had a relationship with Brown starting at 29 years old while he was 59, he appointed Kamala to various State positions

Wow, your character assassination technique needs work.

 

[Bobber]

Abraham Lincoln, who proclaimed the abolition of slavery, came in first. Franklin D. Roosevelt was second and George Washington third. With a score of of 62.66, Biden arrived 14th. Trump ranked 46th — the very last spot — with a score of 10.92:'

I can understand why some or many may not like Trump. First his politics....basically has more of a nationalist vision instead of global and I think that for many is there No 1 issue against him although they won't admit that. Second his personality if you're on the wrong side of it. He can be quite aggressive in speech and that certainly has not served him well. At least in my opinion.

HOWEVER.....I don't buy this line that he's really a last spot among Presidents. No way. You don't get a man who has a massive backing by a large portion of the country 8 years after his first term and have it credible that he was the worse President. A worst President wouldn't have ANY backing from ANYONE to run again. Let's be honest. His backing is quite substantial. Where he rightly could be place I don't know. But it wouldn't nor should be last. That just comes across as a biased report from whoever did it. And who are they asking the question too? Intellectual elites who are basically liberal?

 

[KCfromNC]

The border was fixed under President Trump

Yep, that glorious wall from sea to sea. Mexico even paid for it.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Ground swell enthusiasm is yet to be seen, possibly she might increase the rally count to a high school basket ball court instead of Joe's basement

Kamala has shown her mental capacity, laughing and word salads, her gaffe count is just behind Biden in the world today

That is hilarious! She is a way better speaker than Trump.
She will speak on issues and values.
Trump will speak about low water pressure toilets and sharks and praising dictator types like China's Xi, who he praised for controlling over a billion people with an iron fist. Trump's ability to speak in word salad is unmatched.

 

[Whyayeman]

I can understand why some or many may not like Trump. First his politics....basically has more of a nationalist vision instead of global and I think that for many is there No 1 issue against him although they won't admit that. Second his personality if you're on the wrong side of it. He can be quite aggressive in speech and that certainly has not served him well. At least in my opinion.

HOWEVER.....I don't buy this line that he's really a last spot among Presidents. No way. You don't get a man who has a massive backing by a large portion of the country 8 years after his first term and have it credible that he was the worse President. A worst President wouldn't have ANY backing from ANYONE to run again. Let's be honest. His backing is quite substantial. Where he rightly could be place I don't know. But it wouldn't nor should be last. That just comes across as a biased report from whoever did it. And who are they asking the question too? Intellectual elites who are basically liberal?

You are right; Trump is a Nationalist. For us foreigners, especially us Europeans, Trump's stance on world affairs is alarming. The UK has been a staunch ally of the USA since 1942. Our defence is closely aligned with American. With Trump that alliance is endangered - unreliable.

Your reasoning that you can assess Trump by his popularity is odd, but you could be right. He was, after all, kicked out in 2020.

 

[Bobber]

Or is it excitement for a "first female president"?

That might be why some are excited.

Or is it a "she has a better chance to beat Trump than Biden"?

Yeah. We'll see. I think with all Dems they were in a mode, oh my gosh, oh my gosh this man just can't represent us going forward....just can't. Harris is given the reigns.....such elation at least her mind is sound and the age factor is gone. She has an opportunity to reinvent herself now as people didn't take to her too well before. She ended up with the Bingo card win though.....the circumstances put her in this place.

She'll probably have a lot more people giving her counsel and will work with her to seek to balance her out if they think she's extreme and I mean from among the Dems. We'll see how she comes across in the days ahead. I think the Senate and House might steer towards the Republicans though. I think most Americans would like to see her at least put in check and will be held accountable if she wins.

 

[FreeinChrist]

The border was fixed under President Trump, stay in Mexico policy was simple, you enter illegally into the US, you will be returned to Mexico where you illegally entered

There is no argument against the simple Tŕump policy that was in place when Biden took office, and then he removed it

No the border was not fixed. Some brutal inhuman behavior in removing children from their parents and caging teens who had be accompanied by parents occurred. Remember how shocked the Trump administration was that if they were going to incarcerate the children, they should provide tooth brushes?

But that is its own thread.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Ignore what a politician says and watch what they do in their official capacity. Applying that rule is what changed me from a Trump hater to a Trump lover.

Another thing you can do, if the politician is old enough, is to observe the quality of their offspring. How well do they seem to have been raised?

But speeches? Pfffffth.

Yeah, look at Trump's offspring.
Ivanka was wise to step back.

 

[Whyayeman]

That is hilarious! She is a way better speaker than Trump.

Judge the salad for yourselves:

All of these are from a single press conference when Trump was signing executive orders about Hong Kong and China:

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“But it’s still – we’ve done a great job, get no credit for it and I don’t want the credit, I want the people that have done this great job – the people that have done such an incredible job in building the ventilators and doing the testing and building a testing platform that’s been amazing.”​

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“That basically means no windows, no nothing. It’s very hard to do. I tell people when they want to go into some of these buildings, how are your eyes because they won’t be good in five years.”​

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“Human trafficking, one of the worst things ever, all at a level that it’s never been at – because of the Internet, you wouldn’t think – you’d think of it as an ancient statement.”​

There's more but I can't bring myself to post them (unless you ask).

 

[Whyayeman]

I like that he wants to get out of NATO. But besides that, your post helps me understand why many posters don't like trump. And I'm being sincere, here. It's sort of in the category of a Ford employee not liking a successful General Motors CEO. And since he is looking out for GM, not FORD, that is to be expected. I get it now.

It is not like that at all. We are on the same side. Or we were.

75 years ago, our troops fought and died side by side.

 

[Truth7t7]

Wow, your character assassination technique needs work.

The Truth!

 

[Truth7t7]

No the border was not fixed. Some brutal inhuman behavior in removing children from their parents and caging teens who had be accompanied by parents occurred. Remember how shocked the Trump administration was that if they were going to incarcerate the children, they should provide tooth brushes?

But that is its own thread.

I Disagree

Joe Biden inherited Donald J. Trumps stay in Mexico policy, and it worked in keeping illegal immigrants on the Mexican side of the border, its that simple