Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

[Apple Sky]

Correct! There is not one, there are thousands.

And not one is real.

 

[trophy33]

And not one is real.

Because you say so?

 

[Apple Sky]

You can even watch the live video stream from the ISS.

Yeah sure you can.

 

[Apple Sky]

Because you say so?

Yep ...........

 

[trophy33]

Yep ...........

Funny.

 

[rturner76]

No they can't fly round the north & south poles as on the f/e map the north pole is dead center and the south pole is Antarctica which circumferences the earth.

Is this statement being made based on faith or has someone ever circumnavigated the entire flat Earth and documented that Antarctica surrounds the Earth? Let me help you with that question........No, no person or persons have ever circumnavigated the globe and found that Antarctica surrounds the surface of the Earth.

Of the thousands of eyewitness statements, charts made based on measured data, audio, video, and radio recordings, I thought this one was a good place to start:

On November 29, 1929, Richard E. Byrd made his historical flight over the South Pole. This was the first time that flight over the Pole had been attempted, and up to this point in time, only two parties had ever reached the South Pole and only one survived the trip back.

This comes from the archive at Ohio State University

https://library.osu.edu/site/conqueringice/#:~:text=On%20November%2029%2C%201929%2C%20Richard,one%20survived%20the%20trip%20back.

If you can show a report from anyone in the academic or science community who has been to Antarctica, and then followed its border around the circumference of the Earth. I have never seen this be proven though we all acknowledge that the entirety of planet Earth has been navigated, no party has ever shown that Antarctica surrounds Earth aside from theoretical maps.

Being unable to provide empirical proof for your assertion, moving forward with your argument is impossible UNLESS you are willing to concede that your opinion is not based on evidence but it is a position that is believed solely on faith.

 

[rturner76]

Funny.

I guess these days we no longer prove an assertion based on evidence. We prove a statement or hypothesis by believing it is true. While this does work when it comes to faith real-world situations are better documented with evidence in my opinion.

 

[Apple Sky]

If you can show a report from anyone in the academic or science community who has been to Antarctica, and then followed its border around the circumference of the Earth. I have never seen this be proven though we all acknowledge that the entirety of planet Earth has been navigated, no party has ever shown that Antarctica surrounds Earth aside from theoretical maps.

The first part of the first hand account of William Morris. An explorer who travelled through the ice walls of the Antarctica to find another unknown world beyond.

 

[Jipsah]

That's b/c all's they've done or do is circle the earth, round & round & round .............

OK, well here's the one that none of your lot has ever atempted to answer. I'm a ham radio operator. In times past, I've had pals that I talked to in Australia typically in the 20 or 40 meter "HF" or High Frequency bands. HF is good for "DX". or long distance communication, since you can bounce HF signals off the charged ionosphere (yeah, I know, y'all don't believe it exists, but we use it anyway so as to talk to ("work" in ham terminology) distant stations. Typically we use largish steerable "beam" antennas that direct the transmitted signal so that most of it is being radiated in the direct of the station you want to work and not wasting energy being broadcast in all directions at once. So to listen to s atation in Australia (aka "Oz", or "Victor Kilo Land", I'd point my antenna toward Oz, and the Old Man (all male hams are addressed as "Old Man" or just "OM" I'm wanting to talk to in Oz will point his at Tennessee, and we'll rag chew for awhile.

But sometimes there'll be interference of some sort on the "short path' around the world we've chosen and talking is difficult. When that happens, we'll turn our beams 180 degrees, directly away from each other's locations, and to talk "long path", transmitting our signals around the word the other way. Does it work? Oh yes.

Now the trick is, in your fictional flat earth, that can't work. There is one path, and one only, between Tennessee and Queensland. But in the real world that God designed you can go around the one way, or the precise opposite way, and end connected either way . Now you wouldn't want to use long path as your normal commuting route unless you own an oil field and have a megaliter gas tank on your airplane, but for a regular radio conversation (QSO) it's just fine.

In your fantasy world, there is no long path. If I turn my beam away from Oz, only stations that happen to be between me and the edge of the pancake can hear me, not my mates in Australia. But that's OK, I guess, because in your world, there's no ionoshpere to skip signals off of, so I can't talk to anyone there at all. There's no mountain in Tennessee high enough to give me line-of-sight path to Australia, even if I was legally allowed to chuck out that much power, which I'm not, so direct contact is right out. I could bounce a signal off a satellite, but they don't exist in your world, or the moon, except yours is the size of a hubcap and not very high up, so that won't answer either.

Net-net is that in your world, if there's interference between here and Oz, I can't talk to hams there It jest ain't possible. But in God's world, I can, using a variety of methods that just aren't allowed in your mythology. So I simply reject your mythology and talk to Aussie hams long path whether you lot believe it's possible ot not.

No you can't give me one proof that we live on sphere.

Just did. You'll deny it, but y'all are good at that by now.

You've forgot logic ........

Gimme your "logic" on how long path works on a flat earth. Or how HF communication works at all since y'all don't have an ionosphere or any comm satellites. Wired comms only? Wouldn't help ham operators, would it?

BTW, I've asked this before,and of course never got an answer.

 

[rturner76]

The first part of the first hand account of William Morris. An explorer who travelled through the ice walls of the Antarctica to find another unknown world beyond.

Before I start tearing your whole theory down, I want to remind you that this book was fiction. Second, even if you believe that this book is a true first-hand account somehow being more accurate than the measurements and charting of Antarctica currently being undertaken by people who currently live in Antarctica at the permanent science facility that is stationed there, you would also have to believe in the "hollow Earth theory." This theory puts forward the theory that the planet Earth is hollow and there is an entire civilization that lives in there which has never been seen let alone documented.

By basing the proof of your flat earth theory on a fictional book, I don't understand how you can't see how your argument is absolutely fictional. Again, I will have nothing to say if you would be willing to admit that your flat earth theory is centered on faith and not fact, I don't see how there is anything left for you to do but plug your ears and say nuh-uh. You still have yet to post one provable fact that would make the flat earth theory possible.

However, I have put forward how the entire surface of the globe has been mapped in person using established measurements like latitude and longitude by land sea, and air. The entire surface of the globe can be seen via satellite from outer space down to an insect on the Earth's surface and everything in between. That is far more empirical data than a novel.

Trust me, my friend, you will not lose your place in heaven for admitting that you can see with your own eyes, a spherical Earth. At this point, am I being trolled or do you literally believe the Earth is flat in the face of over 500 years of recorded globe charting and measurement done by land, air, and sea?

Admit that you believe the Earth is flat solely based on faith and I have no argument against that but continue to state that you believe this based on empirical data and there is no end to the data I can post to prove you wrong and there is absolutely zero data you can post that will prove the Earth is flat.

 

[Jipsah]

They are tho.

You sure it's not "mist", or maybe "refraction"? <ROFL>

 

[prodromos]

OK, well here's the one that none of your lot has ever atempted to answer. I'm a ham radio operator. In times past, I've had pals that I talked to in Australia typically in the 20 or 40 meter "HF" or High Frequency bands. HF is good for "DX". or long distance communication, since you can bounce HF signals off the charged ionosphere (yeah, I know, y'all don't believe it exists, but we use it anyway so as to talk to ("work" in ham terminology) distant stations. Typically we use largish steerable "beam" antennas that direct the transmitted signal so that most of it is being radiated in the direct of the station you want to work and not wasting energy being broadcast in all directions at once. So to listen to s atation in Australia (aka "Oz", or "Victor Kilo Land", I'd point my antenna toward Oz, and the Old Man (all male hams are addressed as "Old Man" or just "OM" I'm wanting to talk to in Oz will point his at Tennessee, and we'll rag chew for awhile.

But sometimes there'll be interference of some sort on the "short path' around the world we've chosen and talking is difficult. When that happens, we'll turn our beams 180 degrees, directly away from each other's locations, and to talk "long path", transmitting our signals around the word the other way. Does it work? Oh yes.

Now the trick is, in your fictional flat earth, that can't work. There is one path, and one only, between Tennessee and Queensland. But in the real world that God designed you can go around the one way, or the precise opposite way, and end connected either way . Now you wouldn't want to use long path as your normal commuting route unless you own an oil field and have a megaliter gas tank on your airplane, but for a regular radio conversation (QSO) it's just fine.

In your fantasy world, there is no long path. If I turn my beam away from Oz, only stations that happen to be between me and the edge of the pancake can hear me, not my mates in Australia. But that's OK, I guess, because in your world, there's no ionoshpere to skip signals off of, so I can't talk to anyone there at all. There's no mountain in Tennessee high enough to give me line-of-sight path to Australia, even if I was legally allowed to chuck out that much power, which I'm not, so direct contact is right out. I could bounce a signal off a satellite, but they don't exist in your world, or the moon, except yours is the size of a hubcap and not very high up, so that won't answer either.

Net-net is that in your world, if there's interference between here and Oz, I can't talk to hams there It jest ain't possible. But in God's world, I can, using a variety of methods that just aren't allowed in your mythology. So I simply reject your mythology and talk to Aussie hams long path whether you lot believe it's possible ot not.

Just did. You'll deny it, but y'all are good at that by now.

Gimme your "logic" on how long path works on a flat earth. Or how HF communication works at all since y'all don't have an ionosphere or any comm satellites. Wired comms only? Wouldn't help ham operators, would it?

BTW, I've asked this before,and of course never got an answer.

I don't think anyone has tried to respond to direct flights between continents in the Southern Hemisphere either. They just change the subject so they can carry on with their delusion.

 

[Apple Sky]

Gimme your "logic" on how long path works on a flat earth. Or how HF communication works at all since y'all don't have an ionosphere or any comm satellites. Wired comms only? Wouldn't help ham operators, would it?

BTW, I've asked this before,and of course never got an answer.

Haven't the foggiest ...........

 

[prodromos]

Haven't the foggiest ...........

Well that's the first true statement you've made in a while.

 

[Apple Sky]

Trust me, my friend, you will not lose your place in heaven for admitting that you can see with your own eyes, a spherical Earth.

Never, the earth is stationery & level just how our Lord created it. If the earth had been a ball God would have said.

 

[Paul4JC]

The Flat Earth Wiki​

Air Travel​

There are several potential variables and issues in analyzing air travel for accurately determining the geography of the Earth under the various geographic models in discussion.

See: Issues in Flight Analysis

Anomalies in air travel suggesting the existence of a Flat Earth may be found below:

See: Flight Anomalies

 

[Jipsah]

The first part of the first hand account of William Morris. An explorer who travelled through the ice walls of the Antarctica to find another unknown world beyond.

 

[Jipsah]

Haven't the foggiest ...........

I know. But it does work, which demonstrates that your flat earth rubbish is just that- rubbish.

 

[JSRG]

The first part of the first hand account of William Morris. An explorer who travelled through the ice walls of the Antarctica to find another unknown world beyond.

"First hand account"? It doesn't take too much research to discover this is from a fictional book; the fact it's written in first person doesn't make it a first hand account any more than Animorphs being written in first person means that a team of teenagers who can turn into animals are our only hope against a secret alien invasion. Were you actually unaware of this and just assumed it was true without doing the slightest bit of verification, or were you trolling with this?

For those curious, the book in question is "The Navigator Who Crossed the Ice Walls: Worlds Beyond the Antarctica" written by Claudio Nocelli and is part of a larger series. One can see it right here:

Amazon.com

www.amazon.com

Its description is:

The story of navigator William Morris who, after the Independence War in the United States, decides to investigate with his new vessel the waters surrounding the Antarctic Circle, finding an unknown passage to an open sea. Other lands await him behind, along with another civilization, the story will begin to reveal to the entire group another reality based on the true past and future of the human being. It will finally lead him to the discovery of other worlds behind the Antarctica and most importantly to know himself, a unique journey from which nothing will ever be the same again.

Now, it does look like (from what I can tell) the author does believe in various things in the book, like that there's an ice wall and lands beyond it, and if so the book seems based on his own beliefs. But the book itself is still a fictional story, and obviously not a "first hand account". Even if it were a true first hand account, looking into it it seems to have various things in it not compatible with Christianity, which makes it even more silly for you to present it as evidence.

 

[prodromos]

The story of navigator William Morris who, after the Independence War in the United States, decides to investigate with his new vessel the waters surrounding the Antarctic Circle, finding an unknown passage to an open sea. Other lands await him behind, along with another civilization, the story will begin to reveal to the entire group another reality based on the true past and future of the human being. It will finally lead him to the discovery of other worlds behind the Antarctica and most importantly to know himself, a unique journey from which nothing will ever be the same again.

I'm curious to know if this other civilisation spoke English?