Did God save Trump? Why?

[christian-surfer]

Powell is a psychological manipulator but he may be right. In the past, we had somewhat efficient supply chains and now we are becoming unipolar and also the conflicts, Houthis shenanigans.

I would hope all the president's motive would be to Make America Great Again. I know America was great at one time because my mother still wanted to come here after we nuked her country twice. If I was in my twenties and someone nuked my country they'd be an enemy for life.

Amen! It's saddening once you learn how monetary and fiscal policies affect our lives. For one homelessness.

Make Americana great again is kind of a corny slogan, I don’t always gravitate towards slogans but I think it’s worse to ridicule that slogan. They do that by saying that America was never great. That seems very cynical

 

[mindlight]

You have no idea that God saved Trump, or that the dead man is in heaven.

This is not a political discussion and should be moved away from the politics area of Christian Forums.

Great and small they rise and fall, only God is forever. If you think politics can exclude God you deceive yourself

 

[mindlight]

It's impossible to know if God saved Trump or maybe God allowed a bad gunman to strike Trump in the ear. If God was involved, why would he allow a bullet to strike the firefighter and kill him.

Let's not try to blame God for this horrible event. God may have had nothing to do with this, either way.

Life and death hardly matter from a Divine perspective. If a brave man has an opportunity for a glorious death protecting those he loves that is a witness to the Divine. Purpose and direction matters. My prayerful view is that Trump survives because of what he represents. The American people have been given a fateful choice in this coming election. With Trump alive the test is all the more real.

 

[Postvieww]

Make Americana great again is kind of a corny slogan,

Only for someone who is not a true patriot.

I don’t always gravitate towards slogans but I think it’s worse to ridicule that slogan.

Very confusing.

They do that by saying that America was never great. That seems very cynical

No they are saying America has declined from greatness and need to be restored! What could possibly one wrong with that.

 

[mindlight]

See Jesus' words:

There were present at that season some who told Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.” -- Luke 13

He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. -- Matthew 5

In this fallen world, bad things can happen to good people and good things can happen to bad people.

This is a fallen world; if only good things happened to good people and only bad things happened to bad people, this would be a just world, not a fallen world.

Good things happen to bad people and vice versa only for a season we all know how that story ends.

The passages quoted refer to self righteous Pharisees assigning blame to the victims of bad events. I am not doing that. The firefighters death was a glorious one protecting those he loved. Trumps survival has nothing to do with his personal righteousness, quite the opposite would be true if that were the consideration. But there is a messaging here and my view is that his survival represents the preservation of a fateful choice at the next election. America is being tested

 

[mindlight]

Part of why we plead for mercy for a whole people/nation at times is that when a nation begins to reject learning from God, we read in scripture, such as through the prophet Isaiah -- that God will at times choose to let a nation/people suffer in order to learn from their mistakes of choosing evil by hard experiences and suffering, for their own good:

He will not always hold back from allowing suffering in a nation when people in that nation do too many evils -->

4 “I will make mere youths their officials;
children will rule over them.”

5 People will oppress each other—
man against man, neighbor against neighbor.
The young will rise up against the old,
the nobody against the honored."

-- Isaiah 3 (and do read in full context of chapters 1 to 3 as a whole, and the message is even more emphasized)
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God looks to the real long run: that people truly repent of our very real evils, and He will helpfully allow those that even might repent to suffer plenty as that is extremely helpful to those of us that might repent to help lead us to finally repent...

This is a prime reason why God allows so much suffering in the world -- it makes a lot of people grow up and come to repentance and begin to treat others around them better...

So, at times, because He loves us, God will allow us to choose to follow evils like those advocated by Trump, because people need to learn by hard experiences and suffering the real consequences of ignoring His words to us and choosing evil.

We have to learn, somehow, and if we ignore scripture, we can only learn the hard way...by suffering.

The urge to follow the flesh, lusts/anger/evils is exactly one of Trump's main appeals to his followers -- such as that we should deport immigrants instead of loving our neighbors as ourselves.

A precisely opposite action to God's will for how we are to live:

"The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." -- Lev 19:34

(here quoted in red because this is literally God Himself speaking these words aloud)

As Christ also said in more detail:

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

-- Christ Jesus, Matthew 25


So, wishing that none would perish in their sins (2nd Peter 3:9), God will at times let a people suffer for their evils to help them repent (those willing to repent).

So, this is why we at times beg for mercy for our nation, for the profound evil of mistreating the foreigners that come to our land by seeking to deport them back to their nations of origin (where some will be murdered according to death threats they already received from gang in their original nations, and that's why some fled to America.... and other fled here due to desperation from lack of all chances for honest work to make a living....)

Americans do not have to harden their hearts and follow the broad road to destruction.

 

[wing2000]

I wish they'd leave God out of it and stop using Him as justification for their idolatry. Just admit you like Trump and call it day.

~bella

...and recognize political manipulation using God talk.
[btw, while this was posted as DJT, someone else wrote this. DJT does not write grammatically correct sentences]

"Thank you to everyone for your thoughts and prayers yesterday, as it was God alone who prevented the unthinkable from happening. We will FEAR NOT, but instead remain resilient in our Faith and Defiant in the face of Wickedness. Our love goes out to the other victims and their families. We pray for the recovery of those who were wounded, and hold in our hearts the memory of the citizen who was so horribly killed. In this moment, it is more important than ever that we stand United, and show our True Character as Americans, remaining Strong and Determined, and not allowing Evil to Win. I truly love our Country, and love you all, and look forward to speaking to our Great Nation this week from Wisconsin."

The people wanted a King. It wasn’t God’s plan. He gave them what they wanted. If you know the story it didn’t work out well, and God chose another, a man after God’s own heart.
Saul was what the people wanted. He started out good but then he went terribly wrong.

....and it seems many people today want a King as well.

 

[RDKirk]

Trumps survival has nothing to do with his personal righteousness, quite the opposite would be true if that were the consideration. But there is a messaging here and my view is that his survival represents the preservation of a fateful choice at the next election. America is being tested

Or it was just serendipity. As someone has mentioned, Hitler narrowly escaped assassination attempts as well.

 

[Postvieww]

ROBIN BULLOCK: A Shot Heard Around the World - Donald Trump Won!

Steve Shultz interviews Robin Bullock on July 16 at Noon Pacific Time. Robin discusses the latest prophetic intelligence. Please join us this Tuesday with Robin Bullock! Connect with Prophet Robin at

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Challenge : Watch from 1:12:25 to 1:17:00 and we will see if this thread doesn't go nuts.

 

[Neogaia777]

ROBIN BULLOCK: A Shot Heard Around the World - Donald Trump Won!

Steve Shultz interviews Robin Bullock on July 16 at Noon Pacific Time. Robin discusses the latest prophetic intelligence. Please join us this Tuesday with Robin Bullock! Connect with Prophet Robin at

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Challenge : Watch from 1:12:25 to 1:17:00 and we will see if this thread doesn't go nuts.

Well, I could try to calculate the math on that, or say that maybe this guy really did hear that from God back at that time, and it was supposed to apply to this time now, who knows, etc?

But, either way, this guy will probably get a lot of attention/publicity now, and will probably get rich now, and so that's the most important thing, right?

God Bless.

 

[Postvieww]

Well, I could try to calculate the math on that, or say that maybe this guy really did hear that from God back at that time, and it was supposed to apply to this time now, who knows, etc?

But, either way, this guy will probably get a lot of attention/publicity now, and will probably get rich now, and so that's the most important thing, right?

God Bless.

This was just one of many prophecies. People will believe what they want to believe. I just put it out there because it is highly relevant to this tread topic. I doubt very seriously Robin is "rich" or seeks publicity. That seems to be the go to charge from skeptics.

 

[Neogaia777]

This was just one of many prophecies. People will believe what they want to believe. I just put it out there because it is highly relevant to this tread topic. I doubt very seriously Robin is "rich" or seeks publicity. That seems to be the go to charge from skeptics.

Do you think he is a true prophet?

He seemed pretty excited/psyched that he is being asked about this right now?

 

[Neogaia777]

This was just one of many prophecies. People will believe what they want to believe. I just put it out there because it is highly relevant to this tread topic. I doubt very seriously Robin is "rich" or seeks publicity. That seems to be the go to charge from skeptics.

If you do think he is a true prophet, then that is fine, etc, but I'm just skeptical of everyone's heart motives either way, and how success can take that away, etc.

I'm not saying he doesn't ever hear from God after all, etc.

I just have no reason to listen to or follow any prophet either way, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Postvieww]

If you do think he is a true prophet, then that is fine, etc, but I'm just skeptical of everyone's heart motives either way, and how success can take that away, etc.

I'm not saying he doesn't ever hear from God after all, etc.

I just have no reason to listen to or follow any prophet either way, etc.

God Bless.

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

 

[Neogaia777]

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Just be careful friend.

As quickly as God gives someone anything, is just as quickly as He can cause it to depart, or take it away, ok.

This most especially happens when God sees that someone's heart reasons, or heart motivations have changed.

So just "be careful", ok.

God Bless.

 

[bèlla]

...and recognize political manipulation using God talk.
[btw, while this was posted as DJT, someone else wrote this. DJT does not write grammatically correct sentences]

....and it seems many people today want a King as well.

The best way to address it is through facts that oppose their conscience. Stick to his policies and have them articulate how they're bettered.

He's taken a pro-crypto stance and chose a running mate who's the same.
Said bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies should be made in the USA.
They've donated millions to his campaign and are the third largest at present.
He wants a 15% corporate tax rate.
He likes Jamie Dimon for the treasury.

Vance supports devaluing the dollar and said, "Devaluing of course is a scary word, but what it really means is American exports become cheaper." They're not doing that for exports. It's related to the reserve currency. The dollar has to fall to make the switch.

He went on to say, "If you want to employ a lot of people in manufacturing, you need to make it easier for us..." I saw that on a clip but couldn't find the rest of the statement. But it isn't necessary. I mentioned Larry Fink's conversation with Modi (India) the other day and his acknowledgment of impending job losses due to robots. They're already there. We're not bringing manufacturing back to the states. Those jobs are for them.

Look at Eric Adam's remarks on the same. He was exuberant about the robot they employed in New York. "We're not buying, we're leasing, $9 an hour… This is below minimum wage. You know, no bathroom breaks, no meal breaks. This is a good investment."

That's why they're excited. They can work around the clock and don't require accommodations or benefits. They'll need a handful of operators but the majority will be gone. UBI will fill in the gap. There's pilot programs in every state and the government is creating their own for medicaid recipients.

They're predicting a massive M&A cycle for big tech if he wins and Silicon Valley is switching sides and throwing their support behind him.

The common denominator in all of that is money. None of which is beneficial to the average consumer. Only 14% of Americans own crypto and the majority don't have sizable positions. And 70% of the demographic is 25-44.

Remember his opening line from The Apprentice. That's what time it is.

~bella

 

[Neogaia777]

The best way to address it is through facts that oppose their conscience. Stick to his policies and have them articulate how they're bettered.

He's taken a pro-crypto stance and chose a running mate who's the same.
Said bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies should be made in the USA.
They've donated millions to his campaign and are the third largest at present.
He wants a 15% corporate tax rate.
He likes Jamie Dimon for the treasury.

Vance supports devaluing the dollar and said, "Devaluing of course is a scary word, but what it really means is American exports become cheaper." They're not doing that for exports. It's related to the reserve currency. The dollar has to fall to make the switch.

He went on to say, "If you want to employ a lot of people in manufacturing, you need to make it easier for us..." I saw that on a clip but couldn't find the rest of the statement. But it isn't necessary. I mentioned Larry Fink's conversation with Modi (India) the other day and his acknowledgment of impending job losses due to robots. They're already there. We're not bringing manufacturing back to the states. Those jobs are for them.

Look at Eric Adam's remarks on the same. He was exuberant about the robot they employed in New York. "We're not buying, we're leasing, $9 an hour… This is below minimum wage. You know, no bathroom breaks, no meal breaks. This is a good investment."

That's why they're excited. They can work around the clock and don't require accommodations or benefits. They'll need a handful of operators but the majority will be gone. UBI will fill in the gap. There's pilot programs in every state and the government is creating their own for medicaid recipients.

They're predicting a massive M&A cycle for big tech if he wins and Silicon Valley is switching sides and throwing their support behind him.

The common denominator in all of that is money. None of which is beneficial to the average consumer. Only 14% of Americans own crypto and the majority don't have sizable positions. And 70% of the demographic is 25-44.

Remember his opening line from The Apprentice. That's what time it is.

~bella

I wish people cared about that @bèlla, I really do, but the real truth is, most of them don't, etc. They know they should, but they don't, etc. And would rather believe all the lies either coming out of either their favorite candidates mouth, or what they see or are exposed to on TV.

Trump will be elected president, it's almost a certainty now, and we will just have to hope and pray that he doesn't cause SHTF in this country.

God Bless.

 

[Yarddog]

Life and death hardly matter from a Divine perspective. If a brave man has an opportunity for a glorious death protecting those he loves that is a witness to the Divine. Purpose and direction matters. My prayerful view is that Trump survives because of what he represents. The American people have been given a fateful choice in this coming election. With Trump alive the test is all the more real.

You mean lying, adultery, hateful speech towards our soldiers, or everything Jesus told us not to be?

 

[RDKirk]

If God specifically saved Trump, why couldn't God have given the bullet just the tiniest difference in trajectory to miss the guy behind Trump who took the bullet? I guess the guy behind Trump who took the bullet must have been a very bad man.

 

[Neogaia777]

If God specifically saved Trump, why couldn't God have given the bullet just the tiniest difference in trajectory to miss the guy behind Trump who took the bullet? I guess the guy behind Trump who took the bullet must have been a very bad man.

He might have just been one who's eternal destination was not in question or jeopardy, etc.

God Bless.