Science and the Bible

[Jipsah]

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You believe what science has presented to you as God's creation.

God's Creation is everything that exists. "All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made." I thought we'd been over that. The purpose of science is to study what God has created, which is to say everything.

you personally have to take what science states on faith.

Nope, it can always be put to the proof, and it is always open to being proven false. Every scientific premise is one major discovery away from becoming rubbish. Now in a lot of cases the likelihood of that happening approaches zero (you can carve Newton's Laws of Motion into stone now without any real fear of them being successfully challenged before the Lord returns), but that possibility still exists.

Believing what they say is the creation is a true account.

You, or anyone else, is welcome to challenge any scientific truism that you think is wrong, and show the evidence that your postion is fact true. But you have to have the evidence. It's kinda like poker, you can't just say you have a straight flush, you have to show your cards.

 

[Ace777]

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How so. how can you study what science states.

We can study the evidence for ourselves. Just like a court of law looks at the evidence for the case.

Science is indeed based on evidence. Let me explain:

1. Definition of Science: Science is the pursuit and application of knowledge and understanding of the natural and social world. It follows a systematic methodology that relies on evidence1. This evidence is essential for building our understanding of how things work.
2. Scientific Method:
   • Science uses a systematic approach known as the scientific method.
   • Researchers formulate hypotheses (educated guesses) based on existing knowledge.
   • They then collect empirical evidence through observation and experimentation.
   • The evidence is analyzed, and conclusions are drawn based on the data.
   • If a theory or hypothesis withstands rigorous testing and aligns with evidence, it is considered scientifically valid2.
3. Empirical Evidence:
   • Scientific evidence is expected to be empirical, meaning it comes from direct observation or measurement.
   • Researchers use evidence to either support or counter scientific theories or hypotheses.
   • The strength of scientific evidence depends on statistical analysis and rigorous controls2.

In summary, science relies on evidence to explain natural phenomena, discover new knowledge, and refine our understanding of the world. If you have more questions or need further clarification, feel free to ask!

 

[d taylor]

We can study the evidence for ourselves. Just like a court of law looks at the evidence for the case.

Science is indeed based on evidence. Let me explain:

1. Definition of Science: Science is the pursuit and application of knowledge and understanding of the natural and social world. It follows a systematic methodology that relies on evidence1. This evidence is essential for building our understanding of how things work.
2. Scientific Method:
   • Science uses a systematic approach known as the scientific method.
   • Researchers formulate hypotheses (educated guesses) based on existing knowledge.
   • They then collect empirical evidence through observation and experimentation.
   • The evidence is analyzed, and conclusions are drawn based on the data.
   • If a theory or hypothesis withstands rigorous testing and aligns with evidence, it is considered scientifically valid2.
3. Empirical Evidence:
   • Scientific evidence is expected to be empirical, meaning it comes from direct observation or measurement.
   • Researchers use evidence to either support or counter scientific theories or hypotheses.
   • The strength of scientific evidence depends on statistical analysis and rigorous controls2.

In summary, science relies on evidence to explain natural phenomena, discover new knowledge, and refine our understanding of the world. If you have more questions or need further clarification, feel free to ask!

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Like i ask how can you study the evidence for yourself. So how can you study that man went to moon and find out if this is a true claim by science. How can you study the moon and prove the moon is a sphere and not a convex disk facing the earth. I mean you have only seen one side of the moon.

 

[The Barbarian]

Like i ask how can you study the evidence for yourself. So how can you study that man went to moon and find out if this is a true claim by science.

For example, there are mirror arrays on the moon. They were left there by astronauts who set it up. they are used by Earth observatories to very accurately measure the distance to the moon.

An American flag wasn’t the only thing astronauts left behind on the moon 50 years ago. One of the experiments taken into space on Apollo 11 was called the Lunar Laser Retro-Reflector, and it still works even today (though perhaps not as well as it did), just like it did in a 2010 episode of “The Big Bang Theory.”

“The idea behind it was we needed to accurately measure the distance between the earth and the moon, see if that distance varies, map out its orbit,” explained Todd Jaeger, a lunar laser expert who used to work at NASA, and is now with Heraeus Conamic, a German technology company that made the fused silica reflector mirrors used in the experiment.

Proof we made it to the moon: You can still bounce a laser off it today - WTOP News

One of the experiments taken into space on Apollo 11 was called the Lunar Laser Retro-Reflector, and it still works even today (though perhaps not as well as it did), just like it did in a 2010 episode of “The Big Bang Theory.

wtop.com

How can you study the moon and prove the moon is a sphere and not a convex disk facing the earth. I mean you have only seen one side of the moon.

We've seen all sides of the moon. Orbiting space craft have sent back images.

 

[d taylor]

For example, there are mirror arrays on the moon. They were left there by astronauts who set it up. they are used by Earth observatories to very accurately measure the distance to the moon.

An American flag wasn’t the only thing astronauts left behind on the moon 50 years ago. One of the experiments taken into space on Apollo 11 was called the Lunar Laser Retro-Reflector, and it still works even today (though perhaps not as well as it did), just like it did in a 2010 episode of “The Big Bang Theory.”

“The idea behind it was we needed to accurately measure the distance between the earth and the moon, see if that distance varies, map out its orbit,” explained Todd Jaeger, a lunar laser expert who used to work at NASA, and is now with Heraeus Conamic, a German technology company that made the fused silica reflector mirrors used in the experiment.

Proof we made it to the moon: You can still bounce a laser off it today - WTOP News

One of the experiments taken into space on Apollo 11 was called the Lunar Laser Retro-Reflector, and it still works even today (though perhaps not as well as it did), just like it did in a 2010 episode of “The Big Bang Theory.

wtop.com

We've seen all sides of the moon. Orbiting space craft have sent back images.

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You can post articles all you want and state "we have done this and done that". But until you can say i did this or i did that, you are just repeating claims you believe from so and so to be true and that is all you are doing.

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[Ace777]

So how can you study that man went to moon and find out if this is a true claim by science.

Disney bought Lucasfilm for $4 billion​

Do you think it would be cheaper to make a hollywood production comparted to actually going to the moon?

It actually would not be possible to "fake" the moon landing. They used a special film that Hollywood does not use. Also we saw the rocket launch. We have all the math on how they did what they did. Tons of it. A movie like that would get an Oscar and take a lot of professionals to make. Hundreds of people would be involved in making a movie like that.

 

[d taylor]

Disney bought Lucasfilm for $4 billion​

Do you think it would be cheaper to make a hollywood production comparted to actually going to the moon?

It actually would not be possible to "fake" the moon landing. They used a special film that Hollywood does not use. Also we saw the rocket launch. We have all the math on how they did what they did. Tons of it. A movie like that would get an Oscar and take a lot of professionals to make. Hundreds of people would be involved in making a movie like that.

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Anybody can do what you just did repeat nasa or disney claims.

 

[The Barbarian]

For example, there are mirror arrays on the moon. They were left there by astronauts who set it up. they are used by Earth observatories to very accurately measure the distance to the moon.

An American flag wasn’t the only thing astronauts left behind on the moon 50 years ago. One of the experiments taken into space on Apollo 11 was called the Lunar Laser Retro-Reflector, and it still works even today (though perhaps not as well as it did), just like it did in a 2010 episode of “The Big Bang Theory.”

“The idea behind it was we needed to accurately measure the distance between the earth and the moon, see if that distance varies, map out its orbit,” explained Todd Jaeger, a lunar laser expert who used to work at NASA, and is now with Heraeus Conamic, a German technology company that made the fused silica reflector mirrors used in the experiment.

You can post articles all you want and state "we have done this and done that".

People are using the arrays placed on the moon just about every day, and scientists all over the world use them. No point in denying the fact.

But until you can say i did this or i did that, you are just repeating claims you believe from so and so to be true and that is all you are doing.

Do you really suppose that telling me that everyone else is lying, is a believable response?

https://spie.org/news/12-09-laser-ranging

 

[Ace777]

You can post articles all you want and state "we have done this and done that". But until you can say i did this or i did that, you are just repeating claims you believe from so and so to be true and that is all you are doing.

Exactly, until you can show us that you can make a forgery like that then it is just a lot of talk.

Anybody can do what you just did repeat nasa or disney claims.

Show me what you have. Show me where you can fabricate something like that.
You have a lot more confidence in Disney than I do.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck.

 

[d taylor]

Exactly, until you can show us that you can make a forgery like that then it is just a lot of talk.


Show me what you have. Show me where you can fabricate something like that.
You have a lot more confidence in Disney than I do.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck.

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You were the one stating: We can study the evidence for ourselves.

But you have yet to show me how you have studied science's evidence for yourself. All you have done is post pictures you have taken from the internet.

 

[Ace777]

You can post articles all you want and state "we have done this and done that". But until you can say i did this or i did that, you are just repeating claims you believe from so and so to be true and that is all you are doing.

Exactly, until you can show us that you can make a forgery like that then it is just a lot of talk.

 

[d taylor]

Exactly, until you can show us that you can make a forgery like that then it is just a lot of talk.

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Your the one who said you can prove sciences claims, but yet you have posted no proof.

 

[Ace777]

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Your the one who said you can prove sciences claims, but yet you have posted no proof.

I have shown you TONS of photos of the moon landing.

https://www.iop.org/explore-physics/moon/how-do-we-know-we-went-to-the-moon

Moon landing conspiracy theories, debunked

The Moon landings were faked. Apollo 11 didn't happen. Humans never set foot on the Moon. Heard all this before?

www.rmg.co.uk

Apollo 11 Landing Site - NASA Science

The Apollo 11 landing site as seen by NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter spacecraft.

science.nasa.gov

 

[d taylor]

I have shown you TONS of photos of the moon landing.

https://www.iop.org/explore-physics/moon/how-do-we-know-we-went-to-the-moon

Moon landing conspiracy theories, debunked

The Moon landings were faked. Apollo 11 didn't happen. Humans never set foot on the Moon. Heard all this before?

www.rmg.co.uk

Apollo 11 Landing Site - NASA Science

The Apollo 11 landing site as seen by NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter spacecraft.

science.nasa.gov

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You seem to have a disconnect between the understanding of you saying you can prove the claims of science and you actually providing proof. That you have personally participated in. For example these photos you are posting so out of all the photos you posted. How many did you actually take.

If you say none, then all you are doing is. Posting a photo that somebody else is saying they supposedly took on the moon. In which you are simply taking them at their word, that what they are saying is true.

For an example you may tell me the stove top is hot. I may ask how do you know and you would say because i touched it and it was hot to the touch. That is an example you being able to provide proof of something.

If you can not do this. Then all you are doing is taking people at their word on what they claim is true and simply believing what they say.

 

[Ace777]

If you say none, then all you are doing is. Posting a photo that somebody else is saying they supposedly took on the moon. In which you are simply taking them at their word, that what they are saying is true.

I challenge you to make a fake fabricated photo. Show us your forgery, show us what you go to prove what you are saying.

 

[d taylor]

I challenge you to make a fake fabricated photo. Show us your forgery, show us what you go to prove what you are saying.

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Fake photos are made daily. that is no great accomplishment, even for 1960's. But even if i could not that still does not change the fact that you are not actually yourself proving science claims. Posting someone else's photo, proves nothing.

 

[The Barbarian]

There's still the mirror arrays set up on the moon. They are tested almost daily by observatories all over the world. How did they get there if people didn't go there and set them up?

And no "all those people all over the world are lying!" is not an excuse. That's what cults say when they see evidence.

 

[Ace777]

you are not actually yourself proving science claims

As I was walking down the street one day
A man came up to me and asked me
What the time was that was on my watch
I said:
Does anybody really know what time it is?
Does anybody really care?
I can not image why you think I would care.

 

[d taylor]

As I was walking down the street one day
A man came up to me and asked me
What the time was that was on my watch
I said:
Does anybody really know what time it is?
Does anybody really care?
I can not image why you think I would care.

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Therefore let no one boast in men.
Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you seems to be wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their own craftiness”; and again, “The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.” Therefore let no one boast in men. For all things are yours: whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas, or the world or life or death, or things present or things to come—all are yours. And you are Christ’s, and Christ is God’s.

 

[The Barbarian]

Therefore let no one boast in men.

And yet you listen to men who tell you foolish stories that are easily shown to be false.