"Breaking" Mon 7-8-2024, Sorry Democrats, Biden Isn't Going Anywhere

[Truth7t7]

Cheney isn't running for anything this year. Neither is Romney (whom you mentioned earlier.)

The poster is in "Dream Time"

 

[Truth7t7]

I might want to write one of them in though. Why can't the good guys (or gal) run?

You and a few others on a write in, throw your vote in the trash can

There are "Two" viable candidates on the ballot, and its my opinion your voting for "Biden"

 

[mark46]

I'm not a Democrat. I just find Trump unsuitable on multiple levels. Honestly I wish both parties could ditch their front runner and we could get reasonable candidates.

fair enough

IMO,

Almost any Democrat but Biden could have easily beaten Trump had Biden dropped out a year ago.

Almost any Republican could have beaten Biden had Trump not run.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I might want to write one of them in though.

Ah, the writing, the thrown away vote of throw away voting. It makes voting 4th party look reasonable.

Why can't the good guys (or gal) run? It is getting late here though, so I do hope you have a wonderful night, brother.

Barely past midnight.

Hopefully Liz runs for real in 2028,

Do you like the home-state candidates or something?

if Putin or Kim has not nuked us by then.

What an odd, fatalistic thing to say for someone so young.

 

[Hans Blaster]

fair enough

IMO,

Almost any Democrat but Biden could have easily beaten Trump had Biden dropped out a year ago.

Almost any Republican could have beaten Biden had Trump not run.

As I recall Mark, you thing last time was that the primary candidates were all too far to the left and would lose to Trump if the party didn't pick a centrist/mainstream candidate. Well, it did. I do not recall, but 4 years ago when Biden had things locked up were you worried that Mr. Mainstream was too far left?

 

[Pommer]

I'm glad he's stubborn enough to stay as well. Should be an easy victory for Trump.

One would think, but it’s only July.

 

[Valletta]

"Breaking"​

MSN​

Prediction: Sorry Democrats, Biden Isn't Going Anywhere​

Story by Robby Soave
• 1hr ago

President Joe Biden sent a defiant letter to congressional Democrats on Monday morning stating unequivocally: "I am firmly committed to staying in this race." This followed his Friday interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, in which he said it would take a literal act of God to force him off the 2024 Democratic presidential ticket.

So many Democrats (leadership and media) covered it up for so long that they are ineffective in trying to get Joe replaced.

 

[mark46]

As I recall Mark, you thing last time was that the primary candidates were all too far to the left and would lose to Trump if the party didn't pick a centrist/mainstream candidate. Well, it did. I do not recall, but 4 years ago when Biden had things locked up were you worried that Mr. Mainstream was too far left?

In 2020, I did indeed believe that most Democrats would lose to Trump. Biden was and is the most qualified by far.

The difference in the Biden is older. His staff has clearly been hiding his diminishing capacity.

This election is NOT a referendum on Biden's accomplishments or even his abilities or policies. The result of that is clear: dems vote for biden and republicans vote for Trump. The election is about how those few wing voters view the future. What will Biden be like in 2 years? Everyone should understand that a vote for Biden is a vote to make Harris president. The Democrats should allow her to campaign and make her case directly.

 

[AlexB23]

Ah, the writing, the thrown away vote of throw away voting. It makes voting 4th party look reasonable.

Barely past midnight.

Do you like the home-state candidates or something?

What an odd, fatalistic thing to say for someone so young.

I am young, but we are living in a time where the doomsday clock is closer than ever, and I do not want Russia, North Korea or China to start wars. 1991, it was 17 minutes to midnight. Now, in 2024, it is 90 seconds from midnight. But yes, a 3rd or 4th party would be great in 2024. As I am in Wisconsin, Liz Cheney is not from my home state. Sadly, Wisconsin did not put up any of their own candidates. A guy named Robin Vos (a Republican) has angered Trump recently, so maybe he could run. Though, I am not a fan of the Scott Walker (R) administration. Tony Evers (D) has done a lot more good for Wisconsin.

Robin Vos (R) angered Trump: Wisconsin Republican leader who angered Trump is targeted for recall a 2nd time

Source: Doomsday Clock stays at 90 seconds to midnight

 

[wing2000]

This election is NOT a referendum on Biden's accomplishments or even his abilities or policies. The result of that is clear: dems vote for biden and republicans vote for Trump. The election is about how those few wing voters view the future. What will Biden be like in 2 years? Everyone should understand that a vote for Biden is a vote to make Harris president. The Democrats should allow her to campaign and make her case directly.

I agree. However, Biden holds all the cards. He can, in theory, go all the way to convention and face any would be challegers (as Biden alluded to recently). The Democratic leadership cannot force him out. Hopefully Biden comes to realize his current poltiical state and allows another candidate to campaign prior to the convention.

 

[Hans Blaster]

In 2020, I did indeed believe that most Democrats would lose to Trump. Biden was and is the most qualified by far.

The difference in the Biden is older. His staff has clearly been hiding his diminishing capacity.

Clearly he is older, but we've seen his decline. I don't think they are hiding anything from us. The media would have us believe he spends most of his days in a catatonic state. None of the people he interacts with for long periods have had anything to say like that.

This election is NOT a referendum on Biden's accomplishments or even his abilities or policies. The result of that is clear: dems vote for biden and republicans vote for Trump. The election is about how those few wing voters view the future.

A reasonable analysis. (see bottom)

What will Biden be like in 2 years? Everyone should understand that a vote for Biden is a vote to make Harris president.

I do expect her to be president before 2029.

The Democrats should allow her to campaign and make her case directly.

If this isn't about his ability then it is about stopping Trump and his allies from gaining and using power. They will take every opportunity to mess with a clean replacement of Biden with Harris (and it ain't gonna be anyone else). If Biden knows he will need to resign the presidency before the end of 2025 and a clean replacement on every state's ballot, then he should come out and announce it fairly soon. Otherwise they need to push forward as is.

As for making her case directly, everyone knows the main job of president is "backup president". If it needs to be acknowledged, Biden could always say something like: "Hey man, I know the job of VP. I've been there. I knew every day that if something happened to President Obama that I needed to be ready to take over at any moment. I picked Kamala knowing that she was up to the task of taking over if needed. I don't need her to do that now, but I can't see the future and if that time does come before the end of the term, I'll step aside and she'll be a great president."

 

[Hans Blaster]

I am young, but we are living in a time where the doomsday clock is closer than ever, and I do not want Russia, North Korea or China to start wars.

Russia already started a war and their nuclear threats are empty.

1991, it was 17 minutes to midnight. Now, in 2024, it is 90 seconds from midnight.

I remember. Don't see how voting third party helps that.

But yes, a 3rd or 4th party would be great in 2024. As I am in Wisconsin, Liz Cheney is not from my home state.

Recheck the bio box on her wiki page.

Sadly, Wisconsin did not put up any of their own candidates. A guy named Robin Vos (a Republican) has angered Trump recently, so maybe he could run.

For president? He's a big fish in a small pond. He's got a 50/50 shot to still be Assembly Speaker next year. Your grasping at straws.

Though, I am not a fan of the Scott Walker (R) administration. Tony Evers (D) has done a lot more good for Wisconsin.

Scott Walker could be better described as doing things *to* Wisconsin.

Robin Vos (R) angered Trump: Wisconsin Republican leader who angered Trump is targeted for recall a 2nd time

Source: Doomsday Clock stays at 90 seconds to midnight

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I'm sorry, but the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (never really considered joining them) is losing its credibility when they move their nuclear clock for non-nuclear reasons (climate change, "bio concerns", AI. Ha, AI could trigger a nuclear war if you left it incharge of the C&C systems.).

 

[Belk]

ImHO your a never Trumper, going so far as to vote Biden in spite

Not far off the mark. I'm not spiteful about it. Just realistic.

 

[Belk]

fair enough

IMO,

Almost any Democrat but Biden could have easily beaten Trump had Biden dropped out a year ago.

Almost any Republican could have beaten Biden had Trump not run.

Honestly it feels a whole lot like everything else these days. Recycled old ideas because they are safe and familiar. Movies, books, politics. Its out with anything new and cling to the old like grim death.

 

[mark46]

Honestly it feels a whole lot like everything else these days. Recycled old ideas because they are safe and familiar. Movies, books, politics. Its out with anything new and cling to the old like grim death.

I don't consider Trump to be recycled old ideas that are safe and familiar. I have a somewhat different view of the America FIrst movement, and similar movements in Hungary, France, Germany and the UK. This ethnocentric populism is similar and at the same time very differernt from the movements of a hudred years ago.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

If Biden looses do you think anyone will storm the capital and obstruct certification of the election?

 

[mark46]

I agree. However, Biden holds all the cards. He can, in theory, go all the way to convention and face any would be challegers (as Biden alluded to recently). The Democratic leadership cannot force him out. Hopefully Biden comes to realize his current poltiical state and allows another candidate to campaign prior to the convention.

Biden does indeed hold all the cards. He could and should have dropped out of the race after the mid-terms in 2022. Then, the voters would have chosen from the many possible alternatives.

Now, the choices are clear. Biden can insist and run, probably losing a major defeat, and probably losing the House. He could drop out, with everyone supporting Harris. He would not have to name her. The convention could do that. Finally, he could take a few medical tests and simply step down now.

IMO, the best alternative for the party and the country would be for him to drop out of the race and allow the party to fall in line for Harris.

 

[Pommer]

Biden does indeed hold all the cards. He could and should have dropped out of the race after the mid-terms in 2022. Then, the voters would have chosen from the many possible alternatives.

Now, the choices are clear. Biden can insist and run, probably losing a major defeat, and probably losing the House. He could drop out, with everyone supporting Harris. He would not have to name her. The convention could do that. Finally, he could take a few medical tests and simply step down now.

IMO, the best alternative for the party and the country would be for him to drop out of the race and allow the party to fall in line for Harris.

Okay, let’s say Harris gets the nod, who’s her running-mate?

 

[mark46]

Okay, let’s say Harris gets the nod, who’s her running-mate?

She hasn't decided, only that it would be a white man from somewhere other than California. The governor of PA makes the most sense to me.

 

[Pommer]

She hasn't decided, only that it would be a white man from somewhere other than California. The governor of PA makes the most sense to me.

I can hear it now from our rightist friends, “the DEI ticket”!
The jingoism and xenophobia will have stiff competition from the antisemitism, methinks.