Science and the Bible

[d taylor]

Give it a rest, mate, You're not posting your stuff on a steam-powered computer.Use the Bible as the source for designing a new coal-fired processor and get back to us.

Which you use to power your car, and your radio, and your teevee, nd your clothes washer, ad infinitum. You like science just fine when it suits you.

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I see your problem you do not understand what God's creation means.

 

[Jipsah]

I see your problem you do not understand what God's creation means.​

I'm of the opinion that God's Creation includes everything. "All thing were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made." Right?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I constantly get asked about this. The general opinion is that science does not need the Bible and the Bible does not need science. That is not true. Science and the Bible are like our left and are right hand and they should fit together like a glove fits our hand. Science needs the Bible the most. Because everything is in the Bible, so we can verify the truth of what we believe with the Bible.

So the real question is: Does the Bible need science. Paul tells us that God has revealed Himself in HIs Creation. Science is the study of God's creation. God gives us lots of artifacts and lots of natural evidence like fossils. Through Science and the Study of God's creation, we come to know our Creator. God wants us to know what He is doing so that is why there is so much for us to study in Creation using Science and the evidence Science has gathered for us.

We need to do a study on what wisdom, knowledge and understanding is. Proverbs is loaded with teaching on this. For example Proverbs 1:7 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction."

Science tells us how. The Bible tells us why.

 

[d taylor]

I'm of the opinion that God's Creation includes everything. "All thing were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made." Right?

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And John 1:3 is addressing the creation in Genesis chapter 1, still struggling to grasp this. As Genesis chapter 1 is the creation account.

 

[Jipsah]

And John 1:3 is addressing the creation in Genesis chapter 1,​

Which, afaik, is the only one there is. What part of "all things were made by Him" do you consider problematic?

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[d taylor]

Which, afaik, is the only one there is. What part of "all things were made by Him" do you consider problematic?

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The creation account as given in Genesis 1 is not problematic for me. But it is for 99% of people who identify as being of the christian religion. Who have to add to the account in Genesis science lies like planets, million to billions of miles and light years, the sun is a stars, stars are suns, etc......

 

[Strong in Him]

I constantly get asked about this. The general opinion is that science does not need the Bible and the Bible does not need science. That is not true. Science and the Bible are like our left and are right hand and they should fit together like a glove fits our hand. Science needs the Bible the most. Because everything is in the Bible,

No, not everything is in the Bible.
It doesn't talk about things that had not been invented then - cars, phones, computers, TVs, cameras, planes etc. are not in the Bible.
It is not a science textbook - it doesn't even tell us how God made the universe.

So the real question is: Does the Bible need science.

They are two different subjects/ books.
We might as well ask; "does the chef who cooks the meal, need the carpenter to tell us how he built the dining room table?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Does the Bible need science.

Did the Bible give you your computer? Your car? Your refrigerator?

 

[Strong in Him]

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The creation account as given in Genesis 1 is not problematic for me. But it is for 99% of people who identify as being of the christian religion. Who have to add to the account in Genesis science lies like planets, million to billions of miles and light years, the sun is a stars, stars are suns, etc......

So you think that Genesis 1 should say, "then God created the 2 great lights in the sky - and the planets, the comets, the black holes, the asteroids and everything in our universe. He made the sun out of hydrogen, and other gases, (I think; I'm not a scientist) and placed it exactly 93,000,000 miles away from the earth. He placed the planets so many miles apart. He made the earth and the other planets revolve around the sun"?
And because Genesis 1 doesn't say these things, they don't exist?

So where does the Bible mention the USA, or Mississippi? Where does it talk about Christian Forums or computers? Where does it mention the exact clothes that you are wearing? The food you ate/will be eating today? Where does it say that people got into their cars and drove to church buildings?
These things don't exist then?

 

[d taylor]

So you think that Genesis 1 should say, "then God created the 2 great lights in the sky - and the planets, the comets, the black holes, the asteroids and everything in our universe. He made the sun out of hydrogen, and other gases, (I think; I'm not a scientist) and placed it exactly 93,000,000 miles away from the earth. He placed the planets so many miles apart. He made the earth and the other planets revolve around the sun"?
And because Genesis 1 doesn't say these things, they don't exist?

So where does the Bible mention the USA, or Mississippi? Where does it talk about Christian Forums or computers? Where does it mention the exact clothes that you are wearing? The food you ate/will be eating today? Where does it say that people got into their cars and drove to church buildings?
These things don't exist then?

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Why do yall who add in science lies to God's creation, keep using these childish type of arguments (So where does the Bible mention the USA, or Mississippi? Where does it talk about Christian Forums or computers?).

It is similar to church denominations who add to belief in Jesus to receive Eternal Life salvation. The list of other action that they have decided that needs to be added to belief in Jesus. But like the creation additions these additions to faith in Jesus are not supported by The Bible.

 

[Strong in Him]

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Why do yall who add in science lies to God's creation, keep using these childish type of arguments (So where does the Bible mention the USA, or Mississippi? Where does it talk about Christian Forums or computers?).

Because your argument appears to be "Genesis does not mention planets; they are a lie from science. Because they are not in Genesis, they are not there".
I'm asking, "are other things that are not mentioned in Genesis, not there also?"

 

[d taylor]

Because your argument appears to be "Genesis does not mention planets, so they are not there"

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The creation account is in Genesis 1 God gives what was created/made during the 6 days.

 

[trophy33]

The creation account is in Genesis 1 God gives what was created/made during the 6 days.

Where does it mention insects, for example? Angels? Gods? Comets? Meteorites? Volcanoes? Lightnings?

 

[Strong in Him]

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The creation account is in Genesis 1 God gives what was created/made during the 6 days.

And it doesn't include houses, countries, clouds, horses, storms, lightning, snow, etc. etc. Some of these are mentioned in Job 38 but not in Gen 1.

John 1:3 says "without him, nothing was made that has been made."
Clouds, planets, storms, earthworms etc. have been made; we can see them.
Computers have been made, we are using one. Houses have been made, we live in one. Beds have been made, we sleep in one.

So everything that HAS been made - either directly by God or through man - only exists because of Jesus.
It doesn't have to be listed in Genesis 1 to exist.

 

[CoreyD]

I constantly get asked about this. The general opinion is that science does not need the Bible and the Bible does not need science. That is not true. Science and the Bible are like our left and are right hand and they should fit together like a glove fits our hand. Science needs the Bible the most. Because everything is in the Bible, so we can verify the truth of what we believe with the Bible.

So the real question is: Does the Bible need science. Paul tells us that God has revealed Himself in HIs Creation. Science is the study of God's creation. God gives us lots of artifacts and lots of natural evidence like fossils. Through Science and the Study of God's creation, we come to know our Creator. God wants us to know what He is doing so that is why there is so much for us to study in Creation using Science and the evidence Science has gathered for us.

We need to do a study on what wisdom, knowledge and understanding is. Proverbs is loaded with teaching on this. For example Proverbs 1:7 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction."

Science does not need the Bible. Nor does the Bible need science. Both are studies.

We need both, because, as animate creatures with a brain, we need knowledge, in order to thrive.

Yes. We can wear the glove of science, and the glove of the Bible, and be a champion in the ring against philosophy, but some people have chosen to wear the glove of science only, and philosophy has beaten the stuffing out of them.
They don't mind tough. They love it.

 

[CoreyD]

We are told to study God's creation. For example I asked God a question about His justice and He told me His justice is as accurate and perfect as the entire universe. To study God's creation means to study math. You would not even have a home to sleep in if it were not for math. If you think we do not need science then you are in for a rough time. You would not even have any clothing to wear. Even Jesus was a carpenter and that requires a lot of math. Which you do not seem to think we need. Try to live without science if you think we do not need it. But chances are you would not be alive. I would not be alive having this conversation if it were not for science.

Moses and Abraham were VERY well educated in their day. They had the best education available at the time. Esp Moses. He was the son of a Pharaoh. That is why he could go before the Pharaoh. They both had the same education and they could have even been class mates. Moses was the father of civil engineering. Abraham separated Astrology from Astronomy. He was very much a scientist to separate truth from error.

Of course Moses learned a lot from his father in law too. He was both a man of science and a man of religion. Just like Abraham.

I agree with you.
Science is wonderful, and God is the greatest Scientist, and Mathematician.

Persons in the Bible also were scientists. they knew a lot about plants and animals, from study.
Studying creation is one of the best things we can do. Thanks to science, we marvel at the many wonderful works of God, and draw closer to him.

Take for example, Hubble's discovery of hundreds, thousands, millions, or even billions of galaxies discovered in a small window of "empty" space about a quarter of an inch wide.
Can you imagine what Hubble would show us, if it could take in and "see" the entire universe!!?

The size of stars fascinate me.
They tell me a lot about the magnificence of God.

 

[CoreyD]

You said all we need is the Bible. But the Bible is based on math. Not only does every Hebrew number have a mathematical value but we have added numbers to the chapter and verses. So you and me can have a conversation about the Bible because of math. I can join the party of you want to rag on the Public Educational system. But are you really ready to shut down all the schools because all we need is the Bible?

I studied the Physics of lighting when I was in college. In the beginning God created light. I think we should learn all about light if we can. I have studied the additive and the subtractive color theory. If you want to buy paint you have to understand how color absorbs and reflects light. That is all science that you think we do not need because all we need is the Bible. If you want to do photography that all works off of light.

I look forward to learning all there is to learn, in the new world to come.
I think learning physics is really interesting, but I like learning about animals even more.
The design of animals is so fascinating.
The firefly for example; the electric eel; the compound eye... Lot's to learn about, and forever, to learn.
That's my hope.

I was a carpenter and Science gives me tools to work with. Jesus was a carpenter. You do not learn that in Bible school. I have been to an accredited Bible college for two years and I have been to the state college for two years. If you want just the Bible then you are going to need to find a cave to live in somewhere. Good luck with that.

I don't think anyone believes all we need is the Bible.

 

[Jipsah]

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The creation account as given in Genesis 1 is not problematic for me. But it is for 99% of people who identify as being of the christian religion.

Baloney. Offhand I don't know nay any Christuans who don't believe that God created everything.

Who have to add to the account in Genesis science lies like planets, million to billions of miles and light years, the sun is a stars, stars are suns, etc......

Because they're there. And if they're there (denying which is like denying that Australia exists because it isn't mentioned in Genesis) then God put them there.

 

[CoreyD]

That is the beauty of it all. The atheist's are honoring God. Christians are attacking them but they are doing more to honor God then the Christians are. They are telling us more about Creation then Christians and the Bible tells us.

Surely you don't believe that all scientists are atheist, so why do you say this, when it is not true?
Atheists are not honoring God. If atheists heard you say this. they would want to know what you know about atheists.

Are scientists telling us more about creation than Christians though?
In "A Short History of Nearly Everything", Bill Bryson wrote...
"...we live in a universe whose age we can't quite compute, surrounded by stars whose distances we don't altogether know, filled with matter we can't identify, operating in conformance with physical laws whose properties we don’t truly understand.”

The books of Job, Psalms, Isaiah, and even Jesus' words in the Gospels, tell us so much about creation, that is not known by scientists. Some of it has only been recently discovered.
Honest scientist have said, something similar to Aristotle, who famously wrote, "The more you know, the more you realize you don't know."

Many experts have compiled significant research on how the universe began, how it works, and what it is. It appears to be a never ending story. The more we learn about the universe, the more questions arise. Experts such as Albert Einstein “the more I learn, the more I realize how much I don’t know”, and Socrates “I know that I know nothing” have pointed this out. There is one thing we do know: our world is getting more complicated all the time.

The Bible does not leave the Christian in this predicament.

 

[Jipsah]

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Why do yall who add in science lies to God's creation, keep using these childish type of arguments (So where does the Bible mention the USA, or Mississippi? Where does it talk about Christian Forums or computers?).

Because essentially what you're say; that if Genesis doesn't mention Mississippi then Mississippi doesn't exist. Now that may be true, and "Mississippi" may simply be a buffer zone that exists only to prevent Alabama from colliding with Louisiana. But that ain't the way to bet. And whether or not one believes in Mississippi (and I'm not altogether sure I do; I think it's just Baja Memphis.) , pieve of real estate commonly referred to as Mississippi is actUally there, whether or not we believe that the Bible confirms its eixistence (which it certainly does not), or whether we think its creation was a good idea.

It is similar to church denominations who add to belief in Jesus to receive Eternal Life salvation.

Believing in Jesus is kind of like believing in One God; the devils also believe, and tremble (the reference may be obscure to you, being, as it is, in the New Testament).

But like the creation additions these additions to faith in Jesus are not supported by The Bible.

Well, just as the existence of Mississippi insn't, unfortunately, dependent on me believing in it, neither is the the existence of the myriad heavenly bodies that God created dependent on you believing in them. They're still there whether you like it or not.