Sinning Willfully, a study in Hebrews

[Grip Docility]

Please respond to the points in the OP and this post here below thanks

The entire book of Hebrews is about Jesus being the very Fulfilment of the entire Pentateuch.

Paul is not, by fact of history, known to write Hebrews. The entire book reads about translating each portion of the Mosaic Covenant as a revelation of Jesus Christ so that former Jews could understand Jesus Christ.

The entire book states; The old covenant was thus and so, now Jesus has fulfilled it, let's discuss x portion of EVERYTHING found in the Pentateuch, especially everything pertaining to what Moses wrote about Moses and the Law.

As it begins, it keeps drawing dichotomies between Moses and Jesus, then intensifying the intense need for the Hebrews (Jews) to make a very distinct choice.

Moses <------------------------------------------------ or -------------------------------------------------> Jesus​

By Hebrews 10, where the thesis verse of this OP is located it is amplified to VERY hard, inflexible verbiage.

Hebrews 10:1 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2 Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. 3 But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins. 4 It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.​

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5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:​

​

“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,​

but a body you prepared for me;​

6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings​

you were not pleased.​

7 Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—​

I have come to do your will, my God.’”​

Hebrews 10:1 speaks of a Shadow, which means that it is a theological "Type". Substance casts a "Shadow". The Anti-Type/Substance is clearly revealed to be Jesus Christ.

Incase this is not clearly understood, Hebrews 11:1 specifies that Faith is the SUBSTANCE of things unseen. This binds Faith to Jesus and Jesus alone.

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things to be hoped for, the evidence of things that appear not.​

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Hebrews Chapter 1 reveals that Jesus is what had been hoped for. John 5:39 does, also.

Hebrews 4 contrasts the dead bodies of Israelites in the desert that couldn't follow the Law and Rebelled. It then draws the dichotomy of Rebellion with not observing a very specific Sabbath Rest that is Today (Which reads intentionally as Every Day, because it's always "Today").

Jesus is our Sabbath rest from our works of the Flesh, which stink, like a corpse.

If a person desires to follow Moses, they have no sacrifice remaining for any of the transgressions listed from Deuteronomy 4 - Deuteronomy 31:26. The sacrificial system is over.

If a person desires to accept Christ's fulfillment of ALL Law contained in Moses (All 5 books of Moses), they are Saved.

Hebrews concludes by exalting the Royal Law (Love thy neighbor as thyself)(PERIOD).

Hebrews 13:1 Keep on loving one another as brothers and sisters. 2 Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it. 3 Continue to remember those in prison as if you were together with them in prison, and those who are mistreated as if you yourselves were suffering.​

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4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. 5 Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said,​

​

“Never will I leave you;​

never will I forsake you.”​

6 So we say with confidence,​

​

“The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid.​

What can mere mortals do to me?”​

​

To the Carnally minded person, Hebrews 13:4 reads about carnal Law found in Moses. To the Spiritual mind, it is about fidelity to trusting in Jesus and forsaking Moses, in the name of faithfulness to the Gospel.

The very book of Hebrews forces Jews to choose between Jesus or Moses.

I don't like these discussions, but, this very verse that is being discussed is at the heart of many Christians giving up their faith. I cannot be silent on this matter.

I am a sinner, only saved by Jesus, condemned by the 10 and all 600 + others. I confess this, that I have, hold sin, to honor 1 John 1:8. I am only a "SAINT", because I am DEAD and it is only the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ, who dwells within me that is declared alive. I desire the TRUTH (JESUS) to dwell within my Soul as He does, so I am forced, bound to Honesty, which may be unpopular, but I don't desire praise. I desire Jesus. I am a sinner. It is only by the Righteousness of Jesus that is in place of my DAILY DEAD WORKS of the FLESH, that I am SAVED.

You now have my Scriptural response, now I will employ a secondary emotional appeal.

Have you met a Christian that "sins on accident"?
Have you met a Christian that is "without sin"?
Have you met a passage in scripture that says "Promising God to do better next time will Save you"?

If Christians, who do, all of them, willfully sin in different ways employ dishonesty towards others to cover this fact up or use strange confusing verbiage to express this concept, what is the validity of mishandling Hebrews 10 as what it is intended to be and what is the damage that mishandling Hebrews 10 does to the Body and Unbelievers?

If Christians employ the "Sin of Commission (Sin that we do) versus the Sin of Omission (Sin that we want to do but don't do)" argument, doesn't Jesus Decimate that argument when He binds Lusting in one's heart as transgression equal to committing adultery and Hate in one's heart as physical Murder?

If we who sin are the reason that Jesus died for humanity, while we were yet sinners, so He Who knew no sin could become all sin for us, so that us who sin could be declared sinless by His righteousness and not ours, how is it "Christian" to place the weight of the Law back on a "Christians" shoulders, again?

The new Christian is likened unto a baby. Jesus says that it is better that we have a millstone tied around a persons neck (Reference to the Stone Law) and they be cast to the bottom of the sea, than to offend one of those little ones.

Satan tries to get Jesus (The Living Bread) to turn Stone (The Stone Law) into Bread (Provision unto mankind).

Jesus asks; Which of you, being a loving parent would give your child a SNAKE if they ask for BREAD.

Hebrews 2:14 and 1 Corinthians 15:55,56 can keep going unnoticed, but Jesus didn't leave them unnoticed.

I will conclude my emotional appeal with one closing statement;

God, the Creator, Infinite God died and bled for humanity. I believe this. I believe that He rose on the Third Day. This means, by scripture that I am SAVED. Now, this work of GOD, that saves me, can I, a creation improve on this work? Can I become more saved by my mortal efforts than God has saved me? This said, should I spend each day trying to ensure that I am MORE SAVED, or should I now concern myself with the UNSAVED? What was Jesus concerned about?

I already have.

How powerful is that blood?

 

[Clare73]

More conjecture

As in yours above. . .

 

[HIM]

I already have.

How powerful is that blood?

No you haven't and sadly you know it.
Take care

 

[Grip Docility]

No wonder. You have a lot of misunderstandings. And the most important one is an issue within Heb 10:26 and the use of a bad translation. It isn't if we sin willfully but if we are sinning willfully. As a continual lifestyle.

The second issue but not last is your misunderstanding of the Law being discussed in Hebrews. It is being specific from the start in chapter 7. Here below are the 13 times the Word law is used. They are very telling in respect to context. Please follow as it is unfolded below.

It starts in respect to the priesthood changing. Note it says that the Law must be changed because the priesthood is now all on Christ in verses 7:5-12. Please notice it does not say the Law is done away. It says it changed. And it changed because the priesthood changed.


The only Law being mentioned are those pertaining to sacrificing for our sins and of the Temple services.

Hebrews 10:1 Since the law has only a shadow of the good things to come, and not the actual form of those realities, it can never perfect the worshipers by the same sacrifices they continually offer year after year.

3551. nomos
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ <- Same word
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Definition: that which is assigned, usage, law
Usage: usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general.

Matthew 5:17 N-AMS
GRK: καταλῦσαι τὸν νόμον ἢ τοὺς <- Same Word
NAS: to abolish the Law or
KJV: to destroy the law, or
INT: to abolish the law or the

 

[HIM]

As in yours above. . .

Take care

 

[HIM]

Hebrews 10:1 Since the law has only a shadow of the good things to come, and not the actual form of those realities, it can never perfect the worshipers by the same sacrifices they continually offer year after year.

These text were already explained, see below.
When asked to answer the points of the post. It means answer the points in the following paragraph and the other points brought out in the post and OP. Not post unrelated information that do nothing in respect dispelling or exhorting the points made. Are you okay?

Verse 10:1 is being specific and should need an explanation because it mentions sacrifices outright and how that they could not make anyone perfect as pertaining to their conscience. If they did then there would not be an continual reminder of sin every year the text continues. Then closing in respect to this it says why. It says that the reason why is it was not possible that the blood of bulls and goats can take away sin. This context is started in chapter 9 verses 13 and 14 where it states, If the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh. How much more shall the blood of Christ purge our conscience (who we are, the man of sin) from dead works (sin, acts that cause death) to serve the living God. For we know that He was manifested to take away our sin, destroy the works of the devil.

 

[Clare73]

What is meant by sinning willfully?​

It comes from Nu 15:30--high-handed, defiant, rebellious, intentional sin, for which there was no sacrifice (forgiveness) because it was intentional.
The sinner is held responsible, he must bear his own guilt, there is no sacrifice to bear it for him; he dies in his guilt with his sin unforgiven, held responsible (Lev 7:18, 20, 25, 17:16), and cut off (Lev 19:8, 20:17, 24:15-16, Nu 9:13, 15:30).

It is what we see in Jn 3:18 and Heb 10:26-27.

 

[Grip Docility]

*Editing in, I had read the entire OP. I didn't desire to line by line split your OP out of kindness. After further evaluation of discussion, it seemed that splitting the OP into line by line response was the only way that it would be known that I had read it, so I went on ahead and did so. Post #35 LINK HERE

The entire book of Hebrews is about Jesus being the very Fulfilment of the entire Pentateuch.

Paul is not, by fact of history, known to write Hebrews. The entire book reads about translating each portion of the Mosaic Covenant as a revelation of Jesus Christ so that former Jews could understand Jesus Christ.

The entire book states; The old covenant was thus and so, now Jesus has fulfilled it, let's discuss x portion of EVERYTHING found in the Pentateuch, especially everything pertaining to what Moses wrote about Moses and the Law.

As it begins, it keeps drawing dichotomies between Moses and Jesus, then intensifying the intense need for the Hebrews (Jews) to make a very distinct choice.

Moses <------------------------------------------------ or -------------------------------------------------> Jesus​

By Hebrews 10, where the thesis verse of this OP is located it is amplified to VERY hard, inflexible verbiage.

Hebrews 10:1 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2 Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. 3 But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins. 4 It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.​

​

5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:​

​

“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,​

but a body you prepared for me;​

6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings​

you were not pleased.​

7 Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—​

I have come to do your will, my God.’”​

Hebrews 10:1 speaks of a Shadow, which means that it is a theological "Type". Substance casts a "Shadow". The Anti-Type/Substance is clearly revealed to be Jesus Christ.

Incase this is not clearly understood, Hebrews 11:1 specifies that Faith is the SUBSTANCE of things unseen. This binds Faith to Jesus and Jesus alone.

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things to be hoped for, the evidence of things that appear not.​

​

Hebrews Chapter 1 reveals that Jesus is what had been hoped for. John 5:39 does, also.

Hebrews 4 contrasts the dead bodies of Israelites in the desert that couldn't follow the Law and Rebelled. It then draws the dichotomy of Rebellion with not observing a very specific Sabbath Rest that is Today (Which reads intentionally as Every Day, because it's always "Today").

Jesus is our Sabbath rest from our works of the Flesh, which stink, like a corpse.

If a person desires to follow Moses, they have no sacrifice remaining for any of the transgressions listed from Deuteronomy 4 - Deuteronomy 31:26. The sacrificial system is over.

If a person desires to accept Christ's fulfillment of ALL Law contained in Moses (All 5 books of Moses), they are Saved.

Hebrews concludes by exalting the Royal Law (Love thy neighbor as thyself)(PERIOD).

Hebrews 13:1 Keep on loving one another as brothers and sisters. 2 Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it. 3 Continue to remember those in prison as if you were together with them in prison, and those who are mistreated as if you yourselves were suffering.​

​

4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. 5 Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said,​

​

“Never will I leave you;​

never will I forsake you.”​

6 So we say with confidence,​

​

“The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid.​

What can mere mortals do to me?”​

​

To the Carnally minded person, Hebrews 13:4 reads about carnal Law found in Moses. To the Spiritual mind, it is about fidelity to trusting in Jesus and forsaking Moses, in the name of faithfulness to the Gospel.

The very book of Hebrews forces Jews to choose between Jesus or Moses.

I don't like these discussions, but, this very verse that is being discussed is at the heart of many Christians giving up their faith. I cannot be silent on this matter.

I am a sinner, only saved by Jesus, condemned by the 10 and all 600 + others. I confess this, that I have, hold sin, to honor 1 John 1:8. I am only a "SAINT", because I am DEAD and it is only the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ, who dwells within me that is declared alive. I desire the TRUTH (JESUS) to dwell within my Soul as He does, so I am forced, bound to Honesty, which may be unpopular, but I don't desire praise. I desire Jesus. I am a sinner. It is only by the Righteousness of Jesus that is in place of my DAILY DEAD WORKS of the FLESH, that I am SAVED.

You now have my Scriptural response, now I will employ a secondary emotional appeal.

Have you met a Christian that "sins on accident"?
Have you met a Christian that is "without sin"?
Have you met a passage in scripture that says "Promising God to do better next time will Save you"?

If Christians, who do, all of them, willfully sin in different ways employ dishonesty towards others to cover this fact up or use strange confusing verbiage to express this concept, what is the validity of mishandling Hebrews 10 as what it is intended to be and what is the damage that mishandling Hebrews 10 does to the Body and Unbelievers?

If Christians employ the "Sin of Commission (Sin that we do) versus the Sin of Omission (Sin that we want to do but don't do)" argument, doesn't Jesus Decimate that argument when He binds Lusting in one's heart as transgression equal to committing adultery and Hate in one's heart as physical Murder?

If we who sin are the reason that Jesus died for humanity, while we were yet sinners, so He Who knew no sin could become all sin for us, so that us who sin could be declared sinless by His righteousness and not ours, how is it "Christian" to place the weight of the Law back on a "Christians" shoulders, again?

The new Christian is likened unto a baby. Jesus says that it is better that we have a millstone tied around a persons neck (Reference to the Stone Law) and they be cast to the bottom of the sea, than to offend one of those little ones.

Satan tries to get Jesus (The Living Bread) to turn Stone (The Stone Law) into Bread (Provision unto mankind).

Jesus asks; Which of you, being a loving parent would give your child a SNAKE if they ask for BREAD.

Hebrews 2:14 and 1 Corinthians 15:55,56 can keep going unnoticed, but Jesus didn't leave them unnoticed.

I will conclude my emotional appeal with one closing statement;

God, the Creator, Infinite God died and bled for humanity. I believe this. I believe that He rose on the Third Day. This means, by scripture that I am SAVED. Now, this work of GOD, that saves me, can I, a creation improve on this work? Can I become more saved by my mortal efforts than God has saved me? This said, should I spend each day trying to ensure that I am MORE SAVED, or should I now concern myself with the UNSAVED? What was Jesus concerned about?

I Posted all of this to you, and you ignored every single word of it. It is offensive to me that you ignored what I had taken the time to write, then wrote something yourself that started out with a direct insult, only quoting one very small portion of what I had submitted for your evaluation, demanding that I read what you wrote, despite that you had ignored what I had written. This expressed, I will answer your post.

No wonder. You have a lot of misunderstandings.

You didn't address a single word in my post. You merely start out with an insult.

And the most important one is an issue within Heb 10:26 and the use of a bad translation. It isn't if we sin willfully but if we are sinning willfully. As a continual lifestyle.

Could you please show me the additional Koine Greek and words that you propose should be added to Hebrews 10:26 in scripture?

The second issue but not last is your misunderstanding of the Law being discussed in Hebrews.

You are insulting again. The word used in Hebrews 10:1 for Law in the root language of the verse is the exact same root language word for Law in Matthew 5:18

Just incase you desire to insult me again, I'm going to add that Hebrews 9 is closer to Hebrews 10 than Hebrews 7 and in the old covenant which is inferior to the New Covenant, we find this bound;

Hebrews 9:1 Now the first covenant had regulations for worship and also an earthly sanctuary. ...
Hebrews 9:3 Behind the second curtain was a room called the Most Holy Place, 4 which had the golden altar of incense and the gold-covered ark of the covenant. This ark contained the gold jar of manna, Aaron’s staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant.

I am well aware that this will be disputed, but it's there under the heading of the "FIRST" Covenant and the 10 Commandments are literally called the TABLETS of the COVENANT, BINDING them to the OLD COVENANT.

It is being specific from the start in chapter 7. Here below are the 13 times the Word law is used. They are very telling in respect to context. Please follow as it is unfolded below.

It starts in respect to the priesthood changing. Note it says that the Law must be changed because the priesthood is now all on Christ in verses 7:5-12. Please notice it does not say the Law is done away. It says it changed. And it changed because the priesthood changed.
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Verse 7:19 says the Law made nothing perfect. This being stated in respect to the priesthood. We know this because it is said in context to verse 18 which is about the priesthood changing. The disannulling of the commandment is a disannulling of the commandment that stated who could be a priest.

Your entire idea is that context for Hebrews 10:1 is defined by Hebrews 7, when Hebrews 9, most specifically identifies the Law discussed in Hebrews 10 under the direct heading of First or Old covenant. I personally define this above quote as Eisegesis. Context is given before this quote. IMHO

Verse 10:1 is being specific

THE LAW.

I find it interesting that "The Law" is perpetually redefined one way or another against the root language, to uphold your position.

and should need an explanation

This is where what scripture actually says is about to get redefined. IMO

because it mentions sacrifices outright and how that they could not make anyone perfect as pertaining to their conscience. If they did then there would not be an continual reminder of sin every year the text continues. Then closing in respect to this it says why. It says that the reason why is it was not possible that the blood of bulls and goats can take away sin

This is the old covenant. Many sacrifices required to atone for which sins? Were the 10 commandments not atoned for in the old covenant come atonement day?

This context is started in chapter 9 verses 13 and 14 where it states, If the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh.

They had to continually sacrifice animals each year.

How much more shall the blood of Christ purge our conscience (who we are, the man of sin) from dead works (sin, acts that cause death) to serve the living God. For we know that He was manifested to take away our sin, destroy the works of the devil.

One Sacrifice for ALL sin. Jesus fulfilled the Law in it's entirety. The devil can't accuse people with the Stone Law, any more.

Hebrews 2:14 Jesus took on flesh, to defeat the Devil, who "had" the power of death. 1 Corinthians 15:55,56 Death (Satan) used the Law of Stone to condemn Sinners, because the POWER BEHIND SIN IS THE LAW. NOMOS (Same Law mentioned in Matthew 5:18)

That is enough for now.

After being ignored and then insulted as "having lots of misunderstandings", this, too feels antagonistic

Please answer these points and the ones brought out in the op. Thanks

I did. You ignored everything that I wrote, then demanded that I go through what you wrote first.

Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Heb 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.
Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?


Heb 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
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I find it interesting that Hebrews 9:3,4 is left out

How Powerful is that Blood? Did or did it not Forgive All Sin? Does Jesus need to die a second time? Hebrews 6:6

 

[Grip Docility]

These text were already explained, see below.
When asked to answer the points of the post. It means answer the points in the following paragraph and the other points brought out in the post and OP. Not post unrelated information that do nothing in respect dispelling or exhorting the points made. Are you okay?

Verse 10:1 is being specific and should need an explanation because it mentions sacrifices outright and how that they could not make anyone perfect as pertaining to their conscience. If they did then there would not be an continual reminder of sin every year the text continues. Then closing in respect to this it says why. It says that the reason why is it was not possible that the blood of bulls and goats can take away sin. This context is started in chapter 9 verses 13 and 14 where it states, If the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh. How much more shall the blood of Christ purge our conscience (who we are, the man of sin) from dead works (sin, acts that cause death) to serve the living God. For we know that He was manifested to take away our sin, destroy the works of the devil.

I've already shown this to be eisegesis, (LINK HERE) by the context you are inferring into the passage. IMO

Why did you ignore that the Greek word for Law in Hebrews 10:1 is identical to the Greek word for Law in Matthew 5:18?

 

[Grip Docility]

Take care

You initially quoted only this specific statement from an entire writeup that I had written in direct response to your OP.

I don't like these discussions, but, this very verse that is being discussed is at the heart of many Christians giving up their faith. I cannot be silent on this matter.

Why did you quote this precise passage? Does this not bother you? It is being misinterpreted in a way where a majority of Christians who sign up on this site are about to give up their faith in reference to this very verse. Because they are scared they have "committed the unforgivable sin", then quote this verse that your OP refers to and interpret it the same exact way you are taking it out of context.

IMO

 

[HIM]

We need only read the next verses:

Hebrews 10:26-29 KJV
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

This sin was the sin of turning their backs on Jesus and the blood shed for them. They trod it underfoot and counted His blood as an unholy, or common thing.

In this case, the sin is " the sin which doth so easily beset" them. Which was unbelief.

Hebrews 12:1 KJV
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is e

Yes by sinning. We received the knowledge of the truth that we have been sanctified through His blood and have been perfected forever by the Law being put in our heart. And now we can enter into the Holiest of all by the veil that is to say His flesh to be before God forever more in and through Christ. But if in spite of being sanctified and given God's Spirit we continue in our sin and do despite unto the Spirit of Grace. There is no more sacrifice for sin, only judgment and fiery indignation. There is an example of this sinning willfully, presumptuous sinning in the Law in respect to two or three witnesses. Num 15:30 that Heb10:27 infers. And this willful, presumptuous sin was a man going out of his dwelling and gathering sticks on the Sabbath. It was not unbelief as you say. But unbelief in the sense of being willfully disobedient as the Greek word in Hebrews 3 implies, (see below). And the context confirms there and in Num. 15:30. For it is written, " But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcasses fell in the wilderness? " If we are living in sin we are living in unbelief and do not and will not trust God. And will not enter the promise land. Do not follow after the same example of unbelief.

STR : From G571; faithlessness, that is, (negatively) disbelief (want of Christian faith), or (positively) unfaithfulness (disobedience).


Here is a quote from the OP that also answers your thoughts. Please feel free to answer these points too.

" For if we are sinning willfully, presumptuously, (Num. 15:30) after receiving the knowledge of this truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sin. Only Judgment and fiery indignation which shall devour the adversaries. He that set aside Moses Law died under two or three witnesses. How much sorer punishment do you think one is worthy that has done despite unto the Spirit of Grace. It will be a terrible thing to fall into the hands of God. For that which beareth thorns and briers will be rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. So we say again, let's exhort one another daily as we see the Day approaching. For How shall we who are dead to sin live any longer therein? As Scripture says, The just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that are of faith into the saving soul. So, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us lest we ourselves are casted away. Look unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. Consider Him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. For Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. But God is faithful. He will suffer you to be tempted above that you are able to bear. But with the temptation give you a way to escape. For it is He that works in you both to will and do His good pleasure."

 

[HIM]

IMO

Right,. take care

 

[Hazelelponi]

This is specifically referring to unbelief. They "let them slip" into unbelief.

Not necessarily - sinning willfully.

The language Scripture uses expresses "willfully" doing something wholeheartedly, eagerly as opposed to doing something begrudgingly.

This is a statement apart from believing that you have pointed out in other instances of Hebrews.

You can't really disbelieve begrudgingly.

While willful sinning might be very connected to disbelief, it's shown here as a sign of disbelief in my reading of scripture....

 

[Grip Docility]

Right,. take care

I would like to ensure that I understand correctly.

You ignored Post #2 LINK Post #3 LINK

Then proceeded to say this, after ignoring my posts;

God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself.

Answer the points in the last post and OP please. Thanks. The time that has elapse I am scarce to believe that you have read and comprehended what was put forth.

I then, honestly insulted by this, went on ahead and addressed your post point by point, while you have intentionally ignored each point of my previous posts. Post #28 LINK

Now that I have responded with a full response to your words, you are desiring to ignore every point made in Posts 2, 3 and 28?

You have this right, but it seems pretty calloused to me. I would deeply appreciate a point by point response, but it is up to you to conduct your discussion as you so desire. My points remain made and unaddressed, which will be seen by other readers, which is fine.

I count you my Sibling in Jesus, but I, personally believe that this rhetoric is faith destroying to many that are Babies in Jesus, still sipping on milk. It is by no means meat.

 

[Grip Docility]

Remember We Have been sanctified by the blood of Jesus once and for all.

Jesus died for all sin. His Blood Saves Sinners. The only people Jesus can't reach are those that believe they are "Righteous" in the flesh.

For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer sanctify to the purifying of the flesh in the old Temple service. How more shall the blood of Christ. Who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot. Purge (sanctify fully) your conscience (who we are. the man of sin) from dead works (sin, acts that cause death) to serve the Living God. For it was impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away our sin. Because if the worshippers were purged they would have been perfected, the conscience, who we are would have been purged and there would not have been a remembrance of sin every year. For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away our sin.

It took many sacrifices year after year.

But you know He was manifested to take away our sin and in Him is no sin. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Hebrews 2:14 The Devil "had" the Power of Death.

1 Corinthians 15:55,56 Satan used the Law (All Law contained in Deuteronomy 4 - Deuteronomy 31:26) to condemn Sinners unto Death.

He accused the brethren before God, night and day. Revelation 12

For by one offering He have perfected forever us whom are sanctified.

Hebrews 6:6 suggests the same thing that Paul does in Galatians 2:21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing.

God's Blood saves Sinners.

Whereof this perfection the Holy Ghost has witnessed to us before when He saith, I will put my commandments in your hearts and in your minds will I write them.

A new command I give you; That you Love one another as I have Loved you

The Royal Command; Love your neighbor as yourself

What is the most important Law? Love the Lord your God with all your heart and soul and Love your neighbor as yourself

And your sins and iniquities will no longer be brought to my remembrance.

Sins past, present and future. The tense is ALL sin.

Now where remission of these is there is no offering for sin.

remission; the cancellation of a debt, charge, or penalty.
It is finished; Greek words evoked for "I Pay in Full"

Romans 4:15 For the law produces wrath. And where there is no law, there is no transgression.

Little children let no man deceive you. He that does righteousness is righteous EVEN AS He is righteous.

2 Corinthians 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Romans 5:8 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

He that sins is of the devil.

Hebrews 12:1 KJV
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Hebrews 3:11-19 KJV
11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. ...
18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Hebrews 4:2 KJV
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Hebrews 4:6 KJV
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

Hebrews 10:35-39 KJV
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

John 16:9 The world's sin is that it refuses to believe in me

For this purpose the Son of God was manifested. To destroy the works of the devil.

The Devil used the Law to accuse the brethren day and night.

Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— O death, where is thy sting? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he can not sin. For he is born of God, begotten by the word of truth.

1 John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

A new creature with the engrafted word.. God's Law in their hearts and minds.

A new command I give you; That you Love one another as I have Loved you
The Royal Command; Love your neighbor as yourself
What is the most important Law? Love the Lord your God with all your heart and soul and Love your neighbor as yourself

His word in our hearts and mouths that we do it.

Jesus is the Word of God. John 1

That is the faith that we preach. Because that is who we are in Christ. He is the first among many brethren, In this the children of God are manifest,

James 2:8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right ... James 2:12 Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, ,,, Mercy triumphs over judgment.

and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

James 2:9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,” also said, “You shall not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker ... 13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful.

So Let us be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live. Partaking of His Holiness yielding the peaceable fruit of righteousness. For He has made a straight path for our feet to be healed.

He IS the WAY. The Fruit; Galatians 5:22,23 But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things!

SO exhort one another daily as we see the day approaching.

1 Thessalonians 11-18 Therefore encourage one another and build one another up, just as you are doing. We ask you, brothers, to respect those who labor among you and are over you in the Lord and admonish you, and to esteem them very highly in love because of their work.

For if we are sinning willfully, presumptuously, (Num. 15:30) after receiving the knowledge of this truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sin. Only Judgment and fiery indignation which shall devour the adversaries.

Hebrews 12:1 KJV
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Hebrews 3:11-19 KJV
11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. ...
18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Hebrews 4:2 KJV
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Hebrews 4:6 KJV
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

Hebrews 10:35-39 KJV
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

John 16:9 The world's sin is that it refuses to believe in me

He that set aside Moses Law died under two or three witnesses.

Dichotomy (Moses, The Stone Covenant of the First Covenant contained in Hebrews 9:3,4) Law of Sin and Death... NOMOS

How much sorer punishment do you think one is worthy that has done despite unto the Spirit of Grace.

Jesus gives us GRACE (Unmerited Favor). If we turn back from Jesus to Moses, there is no Sacrifice remaining for ALL of our Sin.

It will be a terrible thing to fall into the hands of God.

All who know Him and turn back to the Stone will be under the stone and condemned by All 600 + Laws, including the 10, which will make them "Lawless".

For that which beareth thorns and briers will be rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

It's either accept Christ's complete work, or go back to the old way of carnal obedience which will result in bad things. No Jesus, no eternity.

So we say again, let's exhort one another daily as we see the Day approaching.

1 Thessalonians 11-18 Therefore encourage one another and build one another up, just as you are doing. We ask you, brothers, to respect those who labor among you and are over you in the Lord and admonish you, and to esteem them very highly in love because of their work.

Those not wearing the wedding robe (Galatians - Put on Christ) will not be well. If some stand before him of their own flesh, it is not well.

For How shall we who are dead to sin live any longer therein?

We are Dead! Our Dead works are buried. What is buried is dead. It is Christ Jesus Holy Spirit that LIVES within us. Resurrecting Moses, buries Jesus. Burying Moses, the OLD MAN, Resurrects Jesus.

As Scripture says, The just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.4

Moses, Stone Law, The 10 and all 600 +, (Draw Back, No pleasure) <----------------- Faith -------------------> Jesus (Saved by HIS work)

But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that are of faith into the saving soul.

Saved by Jesus, Alone! We must Repent from Self to Jesus.

So, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us lest we ourselves are casted away.

Stone weights don't help win races.

Look unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;

That's Jesus and His Holy Spirit, by the Father! It isn't us. He authored it and finishes it. Best not to snatch the pen out of the Author's hand.

who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

He saves SINNERS and can't help that believe they are "Righteous". Paul who had more confidence in the flesh than anyone, rightly, counted all of it TRASH.

Consider Him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself,

For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, so that you won’t grow weary and lose heart.

We are sinners, yet He said, "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do".

lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, so that you won’t grow weary and lose heart.

For Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

Hebrews 12:3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, so that you won’t grow weary and lose heart. 4 In struggling against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.

Jesus forgave all of our sins. The Hebrews were under threat of death for believing in Jesus. The message of TOTAL Reconciliation would cost many of them their Lives! The author of Hebrews is encouraging them! Jesus died for their SINS, and now they would most likely DIE for Jesus, spreading the Good News of the Gospel of Reconciliation through (Unmerited Favor)​

And you have forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons:​

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My son, do not take the Lord’s discipline lightly​

or faint when you are reproved by Him,​

But God is faithful. He will suffer you to be tempted above that you are able to bear. But with the temptation give you a way to escape.

1 Corinthians 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to humanity.

1 Corinthians 12:9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.​

God is faithful, and He will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation He will also provide a way of escape so that you are able to bear it.

1 John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.​

For it is He that works in you both to will and do His good pleasure. Amen

1 John 4:7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. 10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

So Be It.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Jesus died for all sin. His Blood Saves Sinners. The only people Jesus can't reach are those that believe they are "Righteous" in the flesh.

I'm sorry, but I think your understanding of sin is off or your wording is.

There is no one Jesus "can't" save, no sin so great His blood can't cover.

That's first. If GOD wants to save the most evil person on the planet and turn them into a good person he could do so before your next breath.

Isaiah speaks to us of a God who holds out His Hand all day long to an obstinate people (Isaiah 65:2)

But eventually there's an end to God's patience, eventually the Hand of Entreaty is withdrawn. Perhaps at times this Hand might simply be out of view, but sometimes it's just gone and what replaces it is righteous judgement.

We talk about this in the context of the world all the time, but rarely talk about it in the context of the individual - but it's just as true and just as relevant to the individual.

While Jesus came the first time to die on the cross for the salvation of sin, that cross, that resurrection, is also the judgement of the world.

The double edged sword is that salvation is as much judgement as it is salvation - because it's based on our response.

Did we choose Him over the world?

Every Christian says yes. Period.

But Scripture tells us that our actions often belie our words.

If we go on "willfully" sinning we do it with an eager enthusiasm, not begrudgingly or with guilt, but happily, joyful.

Very unlike like Paul's words:

"For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate." Romans 7:15

But willfully sinning.

We can examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith. We won't be without sin, but our track will be one that is God facing, beginning to love the things He loves and hating the things He hates - even if we can't always do the things we want.

The law didn't die, the law still exists but now instead of tablets of stone they are written on the hearts of His Children.

And we will love His Law, even though we are still imperfect.

Yes, on the day of Judgement the only thing, absolutely the only thing saving us is Him and the blood He shed covering us, shielding us from His righteous Judgement and not one thing we do can add anything to our salvation.

But that doesn't mean a completely unchanged, willfully sinning life is in Christ - Christ Himself works in us to change us through His Holy Spirit.

Slowly, slowly day by day, He is making us into a glorious thing, not because we have glory of our own, (though everything God creates is beautiful) but because we reflect His Glory.

If we ever worry we have only to remember that God's promises are true, and the work He begins He will bring to completion so when all is said and done it is His blood alone, but we don't skip the hard work ... We have our own crosses to bear - and sometimes that is just remembering to always go back to Him for our help.

Which is hard sometimes... We have our flaws. Temporary failures are not what's meant by willful sinning here.

 

[HIM]

What is meant by sinning willfully?​

Ignoring the Law His, Word that is in our hearts through Christ and His Spirit. And thereby doing Despite unto the Spirit of Grace, Therefore grieving the Spirit by committing Blaspheme, In that we taken the Lord's name in that we are His offspring for naught. Bringing His Judgment and fiery indignation upon ourselves. For judgement starts at the Houshold of God, and It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the Lord.

It comes from Nu 15:30--high-handed, defiant, rebellious, intentional sin, for which there was no sacrifice (forgiveness) because it was intentional.

Yes willful sin is intentional. And those who are willfully sinning will have no more sacrifice for sin, Only judgment and fiery indignation to those whom are baring thorns and briars, For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. For the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. Faith in the completed work of Christ. For if the blood of bulls and Goats and ashes of a heifer sanctifeth to the purifying of the flesh how much more shall the blood of Christ purge our conscience (who we are, the man of sin) from dead works (sin, acts that cause death) to serve the living God. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, to destroy the works of the devil. For the blood of bulls and Goats could never take away sin. But we know that He was manifested to take away our sin. In that He has sanctified us, set us apart for Holy use to serve the Living God. And those of us He sanctified He has perfected forever. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us (in respect to this perfection): for after that he had said before, I will put my laws in our hearts and in our minds will I write them. So say not who shall bring Christ down from above or up from the deep. But say, The word is in our heart and in our mouth that we do it. That is the word of faith in which we preach. The faith establishes the Law His word. The faith through the Spirit that that mortifies the deeds of the body that we may live. For if you live after the flesh you shall die. But we are not those who drawback but are those who believe to the saving soul.

 

[HIM]

Slowly, slowly day by day, He is making us into a glorious thing, not because we have glory of our own, (though everything God creates is beautiful) but because we reflect His Glory.

Amen, for we are begotten by the word of truth. A new creation in and of Christ Jesus with the engrafted word, His Law in our hearts and minds. So as we behold our face in the glass let us not forget what manner of man we now see begotten of God and be a doer of the Word that is in our heart, Not a hearer only deceiving, lying to ourselves.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Amen, for we are begotten by the word of truth. A new creation in and of Christ Jesus with the engrafted word, His Law in our hearts and minds. So as we behold our face in the glass let us not forget what manner of man we now see begotten of God and be a doer of the Word that is in our heart, Not a hearer only deceiving, lying to ourselves.

Thank you brother, for such an encouraging word this morning. God bless you.

 

[HIM]

Thank you brother, for such an encouraging word this morning. God bless you.

Praise God and thank you Hazel.
May we always recognize Your blessings Father God as we walk in the Blessed Path that You have set before us, Christ Jesus our Lord. Amen

Interesting name my friend. Hazel elponi.
Elponi as in Elponym? Please enlighten.