Trans Manifesto Leaked

[RDKirk]

Now that the details have been unauthorizedly unsuppressed, it looks like the murders had nothing to do with the perp being trans or the victims being Christian.

It probably still does, but as reactionary factors, ramifications of how the perpetrator's view of self and relationship to society, with the children of the Christian school representing in particular what the perpetrator hated most about society.

 

[essentialsaltes]

the children of the Christian school representing in particular what the perpetrator hated most about society.

Daddies driving convertible Mustangs?

 

[Pommer]

It probably still does, but as reactionary factors, ramifications of how the perpetrator's view of self and relationship to society, with the children of the Christian school representing in particular what the perpetrator hated most about society.

We can’t believe the manifesto?
Why read it then?

 

[RDKirk]

We can’t believe the manifesto?
Why read it then?

We understand that the manifesto is the product of criminal insanity.

That gives us some insight into that particular criminally insane mind, but we don't accept it as a rational view of reality...because it obviously is not a rational view of reality.

 

[Pommer]

We understand that the manifesto is the product of criminal insanity.

That gives us some insight into that particular criminally insane mind, but we don't accept it as a rational view of reality...because it obviously is not a rational view of reality.

Right, but we needn’t peruse it to know that. (It’s fine for LEA/LEOs to aid in profiling and such)

 

[DaisyDay]

Guns have not changed.

Why would you say that?

They have changed since the 2nd Amendment was written and, no doubt, they will continue to change. Muskets and flintlocks are a far cry from Glocks, AR-15s and Gatling guns. Why back then, each gun had to be made separately - interchangeable parts would come later. Nowadays people can make a pistol at home with a 3-D printer.

They have not become evil, hateful, or crazy.

Anthropomorphism? Yeah, they are insensate, inanimate objects.

Guns are the same as they have always been.

Again, no, there have been major changes in the last 230 years.

Guns do not write manifestos about hating and murdering white people. Guns have never woke up one morning and become excited about mowing down white Christian children.

True, but if you are a modern American mass murderer, then guns are the tool of choice - convenient and effective.

It is not guns.

True, but guns make it easy to carry out killing small groups of people. They are noisy and available.

It is people who have lost the value of life and are out of touch with the reality of life and human existence.

Human nature has not changed, sadly. I hate to break it to you but people are like this, some of them, and always have been. Cain and Abel, old story. The Bible, the Old Testament is chock full of war, murder and oppression.

It is people who write manifestos about mowing down white Christian children. Why is life of so little value? Partially because we have slain 65 million children in the womb. Life is not precious. It is disposable. People have become mean and ugly. People kill people. Guns are merely the weapon of choice. Some people use knives. Some people have used automobiles. The evil is that these folks think they are justified in what they do. They are mad because the world does not accept and play along with their fantasies. They see Christianity as the root of that rejection. They may be correct about that. But it certainly does not excuse and certainly not justify their hate for Christians. The DOJ hushed up and hid this manifesto. Even now, Facebook has censored it from their platform. Get to the root of the problem. The Bible says we will be hated for three things.
The name of Jesus.
The Word of God.
For righteousness sake.
This, I think would be the third.

Sometimes Christians are the victims, sometimes they are the perpetrator, sometimes they are both and sometimes neither.

 

[RDKirk]

Right, but we needn’t peruse it to know that. (It’s fine for LEA/LEOs to aid in profiling and such)

In the national security business, in order to classify something, we have to identify the specific danger to national security that information poses. There are nine specific cases of personal privacy that allowed the government to withhold certain other information as well.

What's the specific danger to national security or personal privacy that withholding this information from the public remedies?

 

[RDKirk]

Why would you say that?

They have changed since the 2nd Amendment was written and, no doubt, they will continue to change. Muskets and flintlocks are a far cry from Glocks, AR-15s and Gatling guns. Why back then, each gun had to be made separately - interchangeable parts would come later. Nowadays people can make a pistol at home with a 3-D printer.

Anthropomorphism? Yeah, they are insensate, inanimate objects.

And as such, they are not moral agents. They are not the "blame" for anything.

 

[DaisyDay]

Anti-muslim anecdote?

That's how it came off but perhaps that's not how you intended it? I think this is what @Tropical Wilds meant:

I watched a video clip from Sweden the other day. A man of Arab descent was climbing a ladder with a machete to murder his ex (who lived there) and rape her mother. The father who was trying to defend his family from the man, was doing so with a broom...and failing. I couldn't help but think this was the ideal time to have a gun handy and I wouldn't ever have such a problem as this unfortunate Swede.

How did you know this man was of Arab descent? Did the video specify that he was? More to the point, in your telling of this video, why specify that the machete man was of Arab descent? Did that tidbit make a difference in the story?

Then later:

It's a situation which calls for lethal force. The man (I suspect) came from one of those cultures that doesn't gracefully accept rejection from women (think acid in the face) and decided to go whatever route he could (acid being harder to come by in throwable quantities in certain nations).

I thought acid in the face was a South Asian thing, but why even bring up something that did not happen....well, you suspect....

Perhaps this wasn't meant as an anti-muslim anecdote but an anti-immigrant one? What was the point?

 

[DaisyDay]

And as such, they are not moral agents. They are not the "blame" for anything.

I understand that they are not moral agents, being insensate, inanimate objects; however, they have changed while human nature has not.

 

[Ana the Ist]

That's how it came off but perhaps that's not how you intended it? I think this is what @Tropical Wilds meant:

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How did you know this man was of Arab descent? Did the video specify that he was? More to the point, in your telling of this video, why specify that the machete man was of Arab descent? Did that tidbit make a difference in the story?

Then later:

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I thought acid in the face was a South Asian thing, but why even bring up something that did not happen....well, you suspect....

Perhaps this wasn't meant as an anti-muslim anecdote but an anti-immigrant one? What was the point?

It was a pro gun point. It was Sweden.

Migrant in Swedish Viral Home Break-In Video Sentenced to Two Years

The Algerian with a long criminal history had been previously sentenced to deportation, but the deportation order was never carried out.

europeanconservative.com

It literally watches like a pro-gun advertisement because frankly, the idea that this man only got 2 years for this is bonkers.

It's definitely not my fault if some people become distressed by facts.

 

[rjs330]

Here’s the deal…this person was obviously a very disturbed individual, why would anyone want to read the ravings of such a person?

In many cases it's needed to stop speculation demonization of others or their ideas. For example the attacks against those who stood against standing kids and the legislators who passed the laws. They were blamed by a lot of people for this occurring. The manifesto can simply put to rest this narrative and put the truth in it's place.

We didn't hear a lot of "we don't know why this guy acted this way. He was obviously disturbed so that's it."

No we heard "it all the transphobs. fault if it the legislature would have passed these laws it wouldn't have happened."

 

[rjs330]

Now that the details have been unauthorizedly unsuppressed, it looks like the murders had nothing to do with the perp being trans or the victims being Christian.

Well all we can say right now is that one motive we know about are white privileged people. We can't definitely say anything else other than that.

Which includes the possibility that he felt people were transphobic or the legislators passed transphobic laws in his opinion.

We know very little about his motives. Maybe the couple of pages released were it. I dunno. Maybe there is more.

But what we cannot say is that what we know is all there is.

 

[rjs330]

Now that the details have been unauthorizedly unsuppressed, it looks like the murders had nothing to do with the perp being trans or the victims being Christian.

Well all we can say right now is that one motive we know about are white privileged people. We can't definitely say anything else other than that.

Which includes the possibility that he felt people were transphobic or the legislators passed transphobic laws in his opinion.

We know very little about his motives. Maybe the couple of pages released were it. I dunno. Maybe there is more.

But what we cannot say is that what we know

We can’t believe the manifesto?
Why read it then?

We haven't read the manifesto. We can believe the 3 pages we saw, but we have no idea what else there is.

We not that at least one motivation is white privilege. We have no clue if there is anything else. All anyone is doing other than that is joining in the speculation of the lame stream media that this was all based on transphobia. Which isn't the case so far. Maybe if we had the rest of it we would know.

 

[BPPLEE]

Well, trucks can be used as weapons, as in what happened in July 2016 in France, but banning assault rifles and non-hunting related guns would be a start. Yes, there may be white privilege, but still, no excuse for shootings regardless of race. Uighur people should have rights, and shouldn't be killed or locked up in camps. China is a xenophobic land, it seems. Also, to avoid subscriptions on news websites, use Bypass Paywalls by Magnolia1234 on Firefox by going to Git.

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When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.

 

[AlexB23]

When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.

That is true. By the way, I have to edit my post, as paywall bypassing I no longer use or condone.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.

In the US's case, yes, that's true.

Certain types of gun restrictions are only effective when it's preventative and wouldn't work in a prescriptive sense.

Meaning, the types of things that may have some efficacy pre-proliferation won't work post-proliferation after there's already hundreds of millions of them already in circulation, and they're not going to magically stop functioning anytime soon.

And certain measures like that tend to only work if there's a certain level of "social buy-in" to the premise.

That's why the measures that worked in places like Australia and the UK would be abysmal failures if tried in the US.

To kind of put things in perspective. The UK already had a registration process in place prior to their restrictions (much of the US does not)
At the end of 1995 (the year right before they really clamped down on gun ownership), the UK's situation was: At the end of 1995, 174,000 firearm certificates and 723,000 shotgun certificates on file
(their population was 58 million people at that time)

Or, in other terms, they had 1 gun for every 65 people. Obviously that's not where the US is at.

They also had a social buy-in, as when their population is so disinterested in guns that fewer than 1 in every 50 even bother owning one (and the ones who do mainly do it for hunting/sport reasons), there's not going to be a tremendous amount of pushback on such kinds of legislation.



I've used this comparison before, but the comparison to alcohol prohibition is valid.

There are middle eastern countries that have outright prohibition on alcohol that has lasted decades, and there's not much social turmoil surrounding the topic. Reason for that being, 99% of the population was already abstaining from it and had no desire to drink it anyway for religious and cultural reasons. It would play out very differently if a prohibition on wine was being proposed in a place like France or Italy where there's a deep cultural attachment to wine. (and, in fact, did play out very differently in the US when we tried to enact prohibitions on it)

With where the US is at today, trying to enact British-style gun control laws would work about as well if as if we tried to enact stricter drunk-driving laws, right after we gave everyone a free 30 year supply of vodka.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I'm sure we all recall the trans shooter of a Tennessee private Christian school.

Nashville school shooter’s manifesto leaked; trans-identified killer's motivation revealed

The trans-identified shooter who killed six people, including three children, at Nashville s Covenant School sought to kill cr ckers with white privileges, according to leaked pages of her manifesto

www.christianpost.com

Not difficult to see why the media suppressed this...and the administration. It's filled with the far left hatred of whites and their privilege...a combination the mainstream media had pumped into the face of the public for years now.

Thoughts?

I'm actually surprised all this nonsense from media isn't just plain cracking the brains of those struggling with mental health issues.

Every speech filled with hatred every news story either a lie or framed to make regular people look evil.

It's too much for me most days, most days just hearing the news of the day tests the very ground I stand on... I just can't even imagine what it's like for the mentally ill...

 

[Ana the Ist]

I'm actually surprised all this nonsense from media isn't just plain cracking the brains of those struggling with mental health issues.

Every speech filled with hatred every news story either a lie or framed to make regular people look evil.

It's too much for me most days, most days just hearing the news of the day tests the very ground I stand on... I just can't even imagine what it's like for the mentally ill...

As someone who has experience with close family members with real mental illness (bipolar, schizophrenia) I'll say it's really touching to see your sympathy, but from my experience...they really don't watch the news. Perhaps it's got something to do with the genuine difficulty of dealing with hallucinations but I think when your daily life becomes that much of a struggle...the news maybe sorta takes a back seat in regards to concerns.

I tend to look at these mass shooters typically as very public suicides. They seem to have externalized their depression and suicidal ideation in a way that they rationalize as everyone else's fault. It's sort of narcissistic...this idea that their misery isn't the result of their choices, but the result of society at large. The manifestos sort of exist as that rationalization put into words.

 

[Hazelelponi]

As someone who has experience with close family members with real mental illness (bipolar, schizophrenia) I'll say it's really touching to see your sympathy, but from my experience...they really don't watch the news. Perhaps it's got something to do with the genuine difficulty of dealing with hallucinations but I think when your daily life becomes that much of a struggle...the news maybe sorta takes a back seat in regards to concerns.

I tend to look at these mass shooters typically as very public suicides. They seem to have externalized their depression and suicidal ideation in a way that they rationalize as everyone else's fault. It's sort of narcissistic...this idea that their misery isn't the result of their choices, but the result of society at large. The manifestos sort of exist as that rationalization put into words.

Thank you. This makes sense and gives me something to keep in mind.