The common thread in Trump's defenders

[Akita Suggagaki]

I have not seen anything in that trial that he did wrong.

I figured not. How about anything, anywhere, any time?

 

[Zaha Torte]

No, a campaign contribution can also be something in kind - say, donation of a venue space.

What are the limits on that?

No, her campaign paid for it with campaign money.

So, if Cohen had somehow used campaign funds to pay Daniels - then it would have all been alright?

I don't really understand.

Once again, read them yourself: Jury instructions.

For each of the 34 counts, the jury did have to agree and they did agree unanimously. They did not have to agree on which of the underlying charges applied as long as at least one of them did; all of them might have.

They did not have to agree, but they did agree?

Could you explain it more clearly for me?

 

[Pommer]

Even if Trump is this "Individual 1" and he directed Cohen to make these payments - of which both Cohen and Daniels have claimed Trump did not know about - how is that a crime exactly?

Apparently it was, since he’s been convicted. I only gots it a high school edumacation, but I still have faith in our courts and their ability to do their jobs without regard to whom they are dealing.

 

[Pommer]

There's a statue of limitations which has run out prior to ever charging Trump. That's a fact of the law. You can't go back in time to charge people with minor crimes.

The statute of limitations argument was denied, they subpoenaed President Trump’s financial statements and he fought the subpoena (as is his right to do so), which took 19 months to adjudicate, that’s not the state’s fault.

 

[Pommer]

Here you go:

https://www.manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Donald-J.-Trump-Indictment.pdf

Do you get informed by *not* reading news media?

Ignorance is forgivable and easy remedied.
Willful ignorance, less so on both counts.

[Still not understanding why the forum software cannot automagically capitalize the first letter of a new line/sentence]

 

[Palmfever]

A few things

1. He did nothing wrong according to the law. paying hush money is not against the law. Media outlets and politicians have been doing it for years.
2. He paid his lawyer and marked it as a payment for services.. Nothing wrong with that, Hillary Clinton did the exact same thing
3. What you see is dual justice system. They are charging Trump with anything and everything. Yet people on the left who have done the exact same thing, nothing happens to them
4. we also have the following fact
a. The judge should have recused himself. He paid millions to the Biden campaign, He had a conflict of interest
b. These charges, if any, should have been brought years ago. Anyone who thinks it is not suspicious that these charges were brought right in the middle of a campaign where your party leader is losing. is biased themselves.
c. The place where the charges were brought were in a place where most of the jurors would be anti trump. I am sure they thought they did a service to their country by voting the way they did in an attempt to stop their enemy.

I can go on and on and on with the many issues of this whole ordeal. and how dangerous it is for this country right now.

what we are seeing only happens in communist nations.. Which is where we are headed. socialism can not work unless you take your enemy down.. The people will nto stand for it..

whether what he did is wrong or not is beside the point.

True, immorality and a lack of ethics if criminal would convict the majority of people on earth, including many of those delusional pretenders here astride some unicorn of perfect righteousness. Dragon slaying Don Quixotes without a mirror.

 

[Foamhead]

So i am trolling

Ok dude whatever..

I will remember not to go to you for anything in the future

Well certainly not for a loan. Given your track record here, you'll be asking me for the same amount over and over while claiming you didn't understand what the original loan was for.

 

[Pommer]

I am still waiting to see if he makes it to the election.

The only thing they have not tried so far that I know of. Is assassination.. But I would not put it passed them

Holy hyperbole Batman!

 

[Zaha Torte]

Apparently it was, since he’s been convicted. I only gots it a high school edumacation, but I still have faith in our courts and their ability to do their jobs without regard to whom they are dealing.

Well, that's one way to live. God bless.

 

[BPPLEE]

Holy hyperbole Batman!

I think more likely than Trump being assassinated is that Biden would be replaced somehow.

 

[Hans Blaster]

[Still not understanding why the forum software cannot automagically capitalize the first letter of a new line/sentence]

pRoper. Speeling punctuation and grammar ? like capitalzaition is the responsablity of the poaster.

(Autocorrect is the worst thing known to typing. I murderize it every time I get something updated and it is turned on.

:wq

 

[DaisyDay]

What are the limits on that?

Dunno, look it up.

So, if Cohen had somehow used campaign funds to pay Daniels - then it would have all been alright?

Mostly as campaign funds are supposed to be used for campaign expenses, but it would have had to have been reported which it seems Donald was trying to avoid. Then too, some of the catch and kill stuff might not be on the up and up. IANAL.

I don't really understand.

They did not have to agree, but they did agree?

Could you explain it more clearly for me?

For Trump to be convicted on any of the charged counts, the jurors did have to agree unanimously - and they did agree on all 34. However, they did not have to agree on which of the underlying crimes was being covered up as long as each juror found any one (or all) to be valid.

Trump was charged with 34 counts of felonious false filing of business records. The jurors found him guilty of all 34 counts. We don't know which of the underlying crimes for which he was not charged they found he committed but whichever they were, it was sufficient under NYS law to raise what would be a misdemeanor to a felony.

It's a law that not everyone agrees with, but it is current law.

 

[SimplyMe]

What are the limits on that?

So, if Cohen had somehow used campaign funds to pay Daniels - then it would have all been alright?

I don't really understand.

They did not have to agree, but they did agree?

Could you explain it more clearly for me?

The current limits for campaign donations for individuals is $3,300 per candidate per election (so you can donate $3,300 during the primaries and another $3,300 for the general election).

Cohen paying Stormy Daniels far more than $3,300 in what was seen as a "donation" to the Trump campaign was found to be illegal -- and he served time in Federal Prison for doing it. But, yes, if the Trump campaign had given him the money up front that he used to pay Stormy Daniels, then the payment would have been completely legal. Trump paying him back, even if done with campaign money, after Cohen had got a loan and paid Stormy, does not make it legal. At least one analogy would be that if a friend is going to lose their house and I rob the bank to pay what is needed to prevent the house from being foreclosed (or even just writing a "rubber" check to delay the process), robbing the bank (or writing a fraudulent check) is still a crime, even if the friend pays back the money I stole.

 

[Zaha Torte]

Mostly as campaign funds are supposed to be used for campaign expenses, but it would have had to have been reported which it seems Donald was trying to avoid. Then too, some of the catch and kill stuff might not be on the up and up. IANAL.

Understood.

So, if all campaign expenses have need to be reported accurately - why didn't Hilary's campaign do that with the opposition research they paid for found in the Steel Dossier?

For Trump to be convicted on any of the charged counts, the jurors did have to agree unanimously - and they did agree on all 34. However, they did not have to agree on which of the underlying crimes was being covered up as long as each juror found any one (or all) to be valid.

How many "underlying crimes" were they considering?

Trump was charged with 34 counts of felonious false filing of business records. The jurors found him guilty of all 34 counts. We don't know which of the underlying crimes for which he was not charged they found he committed but whichever they were, it was sufficient under NYS law to raise what would be a misdemeanor to a felony.

Oh! Ok, I think I get it.

They all had to agree that his business records were filed incorrectly - but they did not have to agree on what crimes he supposedly did.

So, each of them could have believed he committed a different crime?

Hmmmm - still doesn't make much sense to me.

It's a law that not everyone agrees with, but it is current law.

Understood. It's weird. I can see why people are having difficulties with it.

You are very good and explaining things. Thank you.

 

[Zaha Torte]

The current limits for campaign donations for individuals is $3,300 per candidate per election (so you can donate $3,300 during the primaries and another $3,300 for the general election).

Cohen paying Stormy Daniels far more than $3,300 in what was seen as a "donation" to the Trump campaign was found to be illegal -- and he served time in Federal Prison for doing it. But, yes, if the Trump campaign had given him the money up front that he used to pay Stormy Daniels, then the payment would have been completely legal. Trump paying him back, even if done with campaign money, after Cohen had got a loan and paid Stormy, does not make it legal. At least one analogy would be that if a friend is going to lose their house and I rob the bank to pay what is needed to prevent the house from being foreclosed (or even just writing a "rubber" check to delay the process), robbing the bank (or writing a fraudulent check) is still a crime, even if the friend pays back the money I stole.

That makes sense. You are also good at explaining things.

How strong is the evidence that Trump knew about any of the payments?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I figured not. How about anything, anywhere, any time?

He opens his mouth to much, He makes (or used to( stupid twitter posts. He helped to push the vaccine..

No one is perfect..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Apparently it was, since he’s been convicted. I only gots it a high school edumacation, but I still have faith in our courts and their ability to do their jobs without regard to whom they are dealing.

yeah, I mean no one is ever falsly accused or convicted.

smh You must only have a high school edication if you believe this.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Well certainly not for a loan. Given your track record here, you'll be asking me for the same amount over and over while claiming you didn't understand what the original loan was for.

Like I said, I will not be asking you for anything.

If I really want to know something, I will go to someone who is not biased and actually knows

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I think more likely than Trump being assassinated is that Biden would be replaced somehow.

He has a replacement. Kamila Harris.. She is worse than Biden.. If we think the country is in bad shape now. Holy Goodness if she would be president.

As far as the assassination thing, I have heard it from a few prominent people ask Trump himself if he is not afraid of this happening to him based on the amount of hate he has received.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Where are the charges for Cohen for federal election violations?

That's in the section entitled:

Conviction on campaign finance, tax evasion, and other charges​