The common thread in Trump's defenders

[DaisyDay]

lol. Ok

If Biden, Or clinton, or any other left leaning person did this, I do not think anyone in this room thinks he would have even been tried, let alone convicted.

We are in a communist state.

If we were in a communist state, Donald would be in the gulag or poisoned like so many of Putin's rivals; he would not be free on his own recognizance post a trial and conviction by a jury of his peers.

 

[iluvatar5150]

That is bizarre to me. I always thought that a campaign contribution was someone giving you money - not you paying someone else.

If you're spending money in service of the campaign, you're contributing to the campaign; you're just bypassing some of the normal channels.
If you're running for office and you want to run a $1000 tv ad, I could donate $1000 to your campaign and you could hire a company to make and run the ad; or I could just take that $1000 and commission the ad myself. What's the difference in terms of benefit to the campaign? Nothing.

So, was the Steele Dossier a contribution to Hilary's campaign?

No, the Steele Dossier was commissioned by the DNC and the Hillary campaign. It was something they paid for. If some third party had commissioned the dossier and gave it to them, then maybe it would've been considered a contribution.

I think it was thrown out because the jury was unable to come to an agreement.

He was acquitted on one charge and the jury couldn't agree on the rest. After the mistrial, the prosecution declined to take another go at it.

Didn't the judge in the Trump case give some instruction claiming that the jury didn't need to come to an agreement in order to convict him?

I remember it being something confusing.

No, that isn't what he said. It also wasn't confusing.

The base-level charges were misdemeanors, but were upgraded to felonies because they were committed in the service of "other crimes". The prosecution specified those three "other crimes" (i.e. federal campaign finance violations, state election manipulation violations, and tax evasion). What the judge told the jury was that they all had to agree that the misdemeanors were done in service of other crimes, but they did not all have to agree on which other crimes they were servicing. IOW, if Juror A thinks Trump fudged the records to skirt campaign finance rules and Juror B thinks he did it to cheat on his taxes, then that's good enough to secure a felony conviction. But if Juror C thinks he did it to hide the affair from Melania, that then would mean they'd get a hung jury, because hiding things from your wife isn't illegal and, therefore, there would be no "other crime" to boost the misdemeanor to a felony.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

can you name someone who claims trump can do no wrong?

My sister for one, and she is typical of most we see interviewed.
And to be honest , most supporters on this forum.

 

[DaisyDay]

Oh, I really did not see Cohen facing any federal election charges? Please do educate me. I never seen it.

https://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/2024-03/18cr602%20Cohen%20Opinion.pdf

Click and read, it's all there.

 

[camille70]

In kind payments are also contributions. Michael Cohen paying Stormy Daniels for the purpose of supporting the campaign is a campaign contribution and an illegal one because it is far to large. Donald Trump *can* pay her off for campaign reasons, but must report it on the FEC filings like any candidate must report large cash contributions (or loans) to their own campaign. Trump didn't want this one on the FEC books, so he had someone else do it. Pecker and his publications were unwilling to do anymore (fearing the same campaign contribution laws), so it fell to the even more morally void Mr. Cohen to break the law for Trump.


The Steel Dossier was *paid for* (indirectly) by her campaign. It was an expense. It was a part of contract to the business intel firm Fusion GPS to research Trump. (It was Fusion GPS that chose to hire Steele. The Campaign had no idea until they started getting reports.) Clinton's campaign paid for the Fusion GPS work through their law firm and did falsely report it on the FEC filing as "legal expenses", for which they later admitted guilt and paid a fine.

They didn't admit guilt. They said they filled out the paperwork properly.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Did the government take over all of the farms and factories and retail stores last night while I was sleeping?

they might as well. They are gaining control of everything else

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If we were in a communist state, Donald would be in the gulag or poisoned like so many of Putin's rivals; he would not be free on his own recognizance post a trial and conviction by a jury of his peers.

I am still waiting to see if he makes it to the election.

The only thing they have not tried so far that I know of. Is assassination.. But I would not put it passed them

 

[Eternally Grateful]

My sister for one, and she is typical of most we see interviewed.
And to be honest , most supporters on this forum.

Interesting

I have never met anyone, on this forum or anyplace else. that thinks he can do no wrong

Not I see many (myself included) who think we would be far better off if he was president over the person in office now

But thats not saying he can do no wrong.

 

[DaisyDay]

I am still waiting to see if he makes it to the election.

The only thing they have not tried so far that I know of. Is assassination.. But I would not put it passed them

Projection is a powerful force.

 

[Foamhead]

No

I still have not seen actual charges.

Do you read the media? I am not the only one still wondering what he was charged with..

Then hopefully the moderators will deal with your trolling, and hopefully everyone else will stop repeatedly answering you and feeding said trolling. What can I say?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Are you attempting to prove you are not a serious person? This is all nonsense.

they might as well. They are gaining control of everything else

I am still waiting to see if he makes it to the election.

The only thing they have not tried so far that I know of. Is assassination.. But I would not put it passed them

It is "past them" not "passed them"

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Interesting

I have never met anyone, on this forum or anyplace else. that thinks he can do no wrong

Not I see many (myself included) who think we would be far better off if he was president over the person in office now

But thats not saying he can do no wrong.

Recent verdict is a good example. How many are saying he did nothing wrong?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I am still waiting to see if he makes it to the election.

The only thing they have not tried so far that I know of. Is assassination.. But I would not put it passed them

Please. He plays the victim card hard enough as it is. The last thing anyone would want to do is make Trump an actual martyr.

Plus it would be so much funnier if he loses again.

So so so much funnier if he loses.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Projection is a powerful force.

reality and seeing things as they are is just as powerful

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Then hopefully the moderators will deal with your trolling, and hopefully everyone else will stop repeatedly answering you and feeding said trolling. What can I say?

So i am trolling

Ok dude whatever..

I will remember not to go to you for anything in the future

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Recent verdict is a good example. How many are saying he did nothing wrong?

Are we talking about the trial in NY?

I have not seen anything in that trial that he did wrong.

Now the sitting president. i have seen him do enough wrong to go to prison for a very long time. But nothing will happen to him

But oh wait, He is not fit to stand trial (but he is fit enough to hold the Keys to our nuclear arsenal

But he is not perfect.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Please. He plays the victim card hard enough as it is. The last thing anyone would want to do is make Trump an actual martyr.

Plus it would be so much funnier if he loses again.

So so so much funnier if he loses.

funnier for who
Him or the country?

If Biden gets back in. This country may not survive. That's not anything to laugh at..

 

[Hans Blaster]

funnier for who
Him or the country?

If Biden gets back in. This country may not survive. That's not anything to laugh at..

What do you mean "gets back in"? Biden is currently the President. Little would change in the way the government operates between now and 1 year from now if Biden was reelected.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

funnier for who
Him or the country?

For me, personally.

If Biden gets back in. This country may not survive.

That’s silly. I don’t see how Biden can be so dangerous and yet also an addled old dementia patient at the same time. With Trump we have his own words and his supporters expressing his intent to tear things down and enact revenge as a central part of his reelection campaign.

That's not anything to laugh at..

 

[Yttrium]

You can prove he cooked the books?

I have seen no evidence. all I saw is SOMEONE (we do nto even know who) put the cost down as legal expenses by using a drop down menu/

Have you used these things before. I have. and I sometimes do not know what to use, so I pick one that closely resembles what it is.

which is what this person most likely did

hardly a crime (unless your trump)

I'm accepting a court verdict. You're speculating wildly. Considering the court case involved presenting the evidence, and a jury being persuaded beyond a reasonable doubt, I'm leaning towards the jury's judgment rather than yours.