What Message Does The Proud Boys Heavy Sentencing Send?

[Diamond72]

But it still means two-thirds of each house agrees.

It is common for one house to be controlled by one party and the other house to be controlled by the other party to where only non portion issues are able to go trough because neither party wants to support anything the other party is doing.

Interesting how China has a one party system. They still have elections. So they can get rid of someone if they want. But that have to vote on people that belong to the same party. I talked to the conciliate general from China once and I was actually impressed with him.

 

[A2SG]

It is common for one house to be controlled by one party and the other house to be controlled by the other party to where only non portion issues are able to go trough because neither party wants to support anything the other party is doing.

Interesting how China has a one party system. They still have elections. So they can get rid of someone if they want. But that have to vote on people that belong to the same party. I talked to the conciliate general from China once and I was actually impressed with him.

And...?

Is there some relevance in there to the point I was making?

-- A2SG, can't find it, myself....

 

[Diamond72]

Is there some relevance in there to the point I was making?

What point were you trying to make? My point was what they teach in the schools. You failed to address my point.

 

[A2SG]

What point were you trying to make? My point was what they teach in the schools. You failed to address my point.

You claimed that the second amendment gives Americans the right to take control of the government by force. This isn't correct. I gave you the specific provisions by which the Constitution can be altered.

Further, the second amendment specifically refers to a "well-regulated militia," not a small group of armed citizens, so that doesn't indicate a right to take control of the government by force.

As I said, if you want to try that, you will find opposition from the government, specifically the military.

-- A2SG, not that I'd recommend trying it, though....

 

[Diamond72]

You claimed that the second amendment gives Americans the right to take control of the government by force.

That is not what I claimed but you seem to think I did. Have you always had this reading comprehension problem?

 

[A2SG]

That is not what I claimed but you seem to think I did. Have you always had this reading comprehension problem?

Let's check, shall we?

People use to talk about the dead people voting. They would claim the election was somehow rigged. So there is nothing new about stolen election rhetoric. That has always been around. But they never attacked the capital like that. Although we are taught in school to do just that. The whole idea of a constitution and the right to bear arms is that if people are unhappy with the goverment then we have the right to take control by force. Because the founding fathers took control of this country by force when the English tried to collect taxes.

Your post #249. I emphasized the part where you said exactly what I said you said.

If I misunderstood your meaning, please explain exactly what I got wrong, because the above is a direct quote.

-- A2SG, gotta love cut and paste.....

 

[Diamond72]

Your post #249. I emphasized the part where you said exactly what I said you said.

Yes but you keep saying it over and over again like a broken record. You need to get back on track. You are not responding to what I am saying at all. You are pretty much just having a conversation with yourself.

 

[A2SG]

Yes but you keep saying it over and over again like a broken record. You need to get back on track. You are not responding to what I am saying at all. You are pretty much just having a conversation with yourself.

Fair enough. You're not listening, so I'll move on. Have a nice day!

-- A2SG, durn dusty sandals....

 

[Hazelelponi]

The Proud Boys leader was sentenced to 22 years in prison for seditious conspiracy and other charges related to the U.S. Capitol breach. His co-defendants were previously sentenced in this matter with similar lengthy prison time.

What impact does these heavy sentencings have on far-right extremism? Or on anyone considering doing this sort of thing next time?

Is it a deterrent?
Dose it galvanize the base because they see it as overkill?
Or another message being sent?

I believe this will be used as an effective deterrent. Many of these guys were weeping in Court, them and their families begging for mercy. I believe these people are experiencing mega regrets, realizing they won't be with family and friends for years, and now they have to worry about prison life. I don't believe most think it was worth it, and neither will others after seeing the results. I also like the message it sends to other countries, we take attacks on our democracy very seriously.

I believe "the proud boys" as an organization is tiny and influences almost no one. The message this sentence sends is fairly non-existent as a result.

At this point we have more active members of al-Qaeda (to include ISIS, Hezbollah and Hamas) on United States soil than we have "white supremacists", so there's not much to worry about from the "far right".

If your worried about white people who exhibit racism, I'd be looking left these days, not right.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I believe "the proud boys" as an organization is tiny and influences almost no one. The message this sentence sends is fairly non-existent as a result.

You don't think extremists plotting to take down the government aren't aware of prior attempts by other extremists trying to take down the government and what happened to them? April 19th would like to have a chat.

At this point we have more active members of al-Qaeda (to include ISIS, Hezbollah and Hamas) on United States soil than we have "white supremacists", so there's not much to worry about from the "far right".

The PBs are not a white supremacist group. I don't know why you mentioned white supremacists. If you think there are more active members of al-Qaeda in the US than members of white supremacist gangs then you are sadly mistaken.

If your worried about white people who exhibit racism, I'd be looking left these days, not right.

Sigh. Eyeroll.

 

[Diamond72]

You're not listening, so I'll move on. Have a nice day!

Exactly, you're not listening, have a good day.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The Proud Boys leader was sentenced to 22 years in prison for seditious conspiracy and other charges related to the U.S. Capitol breach. His co-defendants were previously sentenced in this matter with similar lengthy prison time.

What impact does these heavy sentencings have on far-right extremism? Or on anyone considering doing this sort of thing next time?

Is it a deterrent?
Dose it galvanize the base because they see it as overkill?
Or another message being sent?

I believe this will be used as an effective deterrent. Many of these guys were weeping in Court, them and their families begging for mercy. I believe these people are experiencing mega regrets, realizing they won't be with family and friends for years, and now they have to worry about prison life. I don't believe most think it was worth it, and neither will others after seeing the results. I also like the message it sends to other countries, we take attacks on our democracy very seriously.

I absolutely agree with the sentences. I wish law enforcement would do their job more frequently when people protesting start breaking the law. I think a huge part of the problem is the inconsistency in prosecuting protesters who go to far and start breaking laws. Sometimes they’re arrested sometimes they’re not. This shouldn’t even be an optional situation. You break that law and police see you do it, you go to jail period. I’m betting these people had no idea that they would be facing such a heavy sentence, they probably thought they’d be facing a night or two in jail, but this wasn’t a Target or a 7Eleven they broke into and I’m glad that the government is setting this example that you can’t just go around acting like an idiot just because you don’t like something, I just wish they’d be more consistent in this type of enforcement. If the authorities had been doing their job the way they’re supposed all the time then this probably wouldn’t have happened. I think the defendants in this case were under the assumption that this would be handled like any other rioting, vandalizing, or looting protest where nobody was actually charged with anything.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The Proud Boys leader was sentenced to 22 years in prison for seditious conspiracy and other charges related to the U.S. Capitol breach. His co-defendants were previously sentenced in this matter with similar lengthy prison time.

What impact does these heavy sentencings have on far-right extremism? Or on anyone considering doing this sort of thing next time?

Is it a deterrent?
Dose it galvanize the base because they see it as overkill?
Or another message being sent?

I believe this will be used as an effective deterrent. Many of these guys were weeping in Court, them and their families begging for mercy. I believe these people are experiencing mega regrets, realizing they won't be with family and friends for years, and now they have to worry about prison life. I don't believe most think it was worth it, and neither will others after seeing the results. I also like the message it sends to other countries, we take attacks on our democracy very seriously.

Your last statement is a false narrative since the very reason they were protesting was because they believed that democracy was being infringed upon. The reason they were arrested is because they started acting like a bunch of idiots and breaking the law. People who try to make this claim that they were trying to overthrow the government aren’t even remotely exercising any common sense at all because such an event is absolutely impossible with our government infrastructure and everybody knows this. They could’ve stormed the White House, killed everyone inside, and appoint whoever they want as the new president of the United States and still the governing authorities would retaliate and exterminate everyone involved and reinstate the proper governing officials because our government has a specific chain of command that is specifically designed eliminate the possibility of this of ever happening.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Your last statement is a false narrative since the very reason they were protesting was because they believed that democracy was being infringed upon.

The only thing about the PBs that looks like a protest on Jan 6, 2021, is their morning march near the Capitol and National Mall. Beginning at 1 PM the efforts of the PBs are a coordinated attack on the Capitol triggering a series of breaches, first of low level barriers over walkways, then reinforced lines of cops, and finally the windows of the Capitol building.

The reason they were arrested is because they started acting like a bunch of idiots and breaking the law. People who try to make this claim that they were trying to overthrow the government aren’t even remotely exercising any common sense at all because such an event is absolutely impossible with our government infrastructure and everybody knows this.

They weren't charged with trying to "overthrow the government".

They could’ve stormed the White House, killed everyone inside, and appoint whoever they want as the new president of the United States and still the governing authorities would retaliate and exterminate everyone involved and reinstate the proper governing officials because our government has a specific chain of command that is specifically designed eliminate the possibility of this of ever happening.

Which would not only be sedition, but murder. The PBs didn't kill anyone so they weren't charged with murder. They were found guilty of sedition.

 

[Diamond72]

You break that law and police see you do it, you go to jail period.

It is funny that we have a river here that separates the Big city from the suburbs. The distance is small but the difference in the police is huge. If you mess with the police in the big city you may get a boot on your neck, head or back. They would never ever treat people like that in the suburb. If they did we would elect a new mayor that would ban behavior like that. So the police in different cities do things different.

 

[th1bill]

The Proud Boys leader was sentenced to 22 years in prison for seditious conspiracy and other charges related to the U.S. Capitol breach. His co-defendants were previously sentenced in this matter with similar lengthy prison time.

What impact does these heavy sentencings have on far-right extremism? Or on anyone considering doing this sort of thing next time?

Is it a deterrent?
Dose it galvanize the base because they see it as overkill?
Or another message being sent?

I believe this will be used as an effective deterrent. Many of these guys were weeping in Court, them and their families begging for mercy. I believe these people are experiencing mega regrets, realizing they won't be with family and friends for years, and now they have to worry about prison life. I don't believe most think it was worth it, and neither will others after seeing the results. I also like the message it sends to other countries, we take attacks on our democracy very seriously.

I concur, these Soros incited hoodlums will be off the streets for a long stretch.

 

[BNR32FAN]

It is funny that we have a river here that separates the Big city from the suburbs. The distance is small but the difference in the police is huge. If you mess with the police in the big city you may get a boot on your neck, head or back. They would never ever treat people like that in the suburb. If they did we would elect a new mayor that would ban behavior like that. So the police in different cities do things different.

Police officers that aren’t enforcing the law aren’t doing their job.

 

[Bradskii]

They could’ve stormed the White House, killed everyone inside, and appoint whoever they want as the new president of the United States and still the governing authorities would retaliate and exterminate everyone involved and reinstate the proper governing officials because our government has a specific chain of command that is specifically designed eliminate the possibility of this of ever happening.

Sedition is 'conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.'

I guess that if you were running defence your argument would be 'Well yeah, they did incite people to rebel against the state. But sheesh, they had fat chance of succeeding. Move to dismiss all charges'.

I think they'd disbar you simply for bringing lawyers into disrepute with such a dumb argument.

 

[A2SG]

I think they'd disbar you simply for bringing lawyers into disrepute with such a dumb argument.

Lawyers can be brought into disrepute? Huh. Who knew?

-- A2SG, learn something new every day....

 

[Bradskii]

Lawyers can be brought into disrepute? Huh. Who knew?

-- A2SG, learn something new every day....

I think there's a term for it these days. 'He was Guiliani'd'