FBI Authorized Use of Deadly Force During Mar-a-Lago Raid

[BPPLEE]

I believe that Hur thinks Biden shared classified information with his ghostwriter, so no, he's not lying. He's just asserting something for which he has no proof.


A person saying "I just found this thing" does not constitute them reading it or showing it to anyone.

The audio recordings do not include Biden actually reading any classified information. Specifically, the classified information that Biden purportedly shared is his notes/diary entries pertaining to discussions in the Situation Room and other conversations that may have been classified. Biden claims that he skipped over anything he thought might be classified. Some of the audio recordings have been deleted (for reasons that Hur found satisfactory), but the transcripts do not contain any classified information, and neither do the books, so there is no evidence of any wrongdoing.

White House pushes back on depiction of ghostwriter in special counsel report

Robert Hur’s report discusses conversations that Biden had with Mark Zwonitzer, a writer and documentary filmmaker.

www.nbcnews.com

How the ghostwriter of Biden's memoirs ended up in the center of a classified documents probe

President Joe Biden worked so closely with ghostwriter Mark Zwonitzer that he is accused of sharing government secrets with him.

apnews.com

That is inconsistent with Hur’s testimony. He said he revealed classified information and “read classified information out loud” to him.

 

[Pommer]

Well that’s the dispute, isn’t it? His position is that same President, he is the one who decides who is authorized.

You can’t have it both ways; is unprecedented AND standard procedure.

It’s “standard procedure” for ex-Presidents who’ve purloined papers that belong to the government, (and asked several times for, in writing, before making the unprecedented step of putting this standard to the “ex-president’s test”.

The question is: what should have the government done differently to get President Trump to relinquish the purloined papers?

 

[Pommer]

Did the FBI raid Biden’s private resident?

My understanding is that Mar-A-Lago is a private club where the former President resides but that doesn’t make it a “residence”.

 

[Pommer]

Oh? Enter the Administrative State apologist.

Should we “deregulate the government”?
Gee, won’t that be a fun ride!?

 

[Pommer]

Are they claiming that Hur lied under oath? And last time I checked audio recordings qualified as proof

They should bring Joe up on charges after he leaves office, for this “reading of classified” materials to a ghostwriter who didn’t hold security-clearance.

 

[Bradskii]

It’s “standard procedure” for ex-Presidents who’ve purloined papers that belong to the government, (and asked several times for, in writing, before making the unprecedented step of putting this standard to the “ex-president’s test”.

The question is: what should have the government done differently to get President Trump to relinquish the purloined papers?

Use deadly force.

 

[IceJad]

Yeah, somewhere in the middle of a 3 hour diatribe he said a single sentence with to make your voices heard peacefully but with plenty of calls to fight like [heck] or lose your country on either side. That smacks of his disclaimer on his financial statements.

In one of his early rallies he said he would pay the legal fees of anyone who punched out a protester. Does that count?

Like I said burden of proof. People can say many things. A proper link will do or is that too much to ask?

You meant this I would assume. Didn't he said he doesn't condone it?

Trump says he may pay legal fees of supporter who sucker-punched protester at rally

“I don’t condone violence,” he said, “but this kid shouldn’t have had the finger up in the air, either.”

I'm asking for a direct instruction that he said. Not comment on acts of others.

I hope for an actual call to violence. Like what you would read about the Rwanda genocide "cut the tall trees"

 

[Soldier of Christ1516]

It’s “standard procedure” for ex-Presidents who’ve

As I said, you can’t have it both ways; is unprecedented AND standard procedure. Claims of Trump wrong doing are false. If you cannot see the law fare tactic to interfere with the 2024 election, not all have eyes to see.

 

[Soldier of Christ1516]

Should we “deregulate the government”?
Gee, won’t that be a fun ride!?

Yes. At what point would you recognize the government needs to be deregulated? What budget, debt, # of workers, pages of budget would cause a reasonable person to realize the largest institution in the history of mankind is too big to be effective in restraining itself strictly to its Constitutional purposes for existing?

 

[Soldier of Christ1516]

Says the monarchy apologist.

No. I'm a Constitutional apologist based on Conservative principles of the Declaration of Independence - limited government and Individual freedom. The departments are subject to the elected POTUS, not the other way around. This Deep State opposition is why they properly recognize the existential threat Trump poses and why his ascendency is revolutionary.

The propaganda necessarily distorts this. Trump is not a danger to democracy; he is democracy getting more votes than any POTUS running for re-election ever. And he is a danger to the Deep State. I suspect an assassination attempt this year as they will stop at nothing to retain power.

 

[BPPLEE]

They should bring Joe up on charges after he leaves office, for this “reading of classified” materials to a ghostwriter who didn’t hold security-clearance.

No, he will be an old irrelevant man. They should let him retire in peace.

 

[BPPLEE]

I believe that Hur thinks Biden shared classified information with his ghostwriter, so no, he's not lying. He's just asserting something for which he has no proof.


A person saying "I just found this thing" does not constitute them reading it or showing it to anyone.

The audio recordings do not include Biden actually reading any classified information. Specifically, the classified information that Biden purportedly shared is his notes/diary entries pertaining to discussions in the Situation Room and other conversations that may have been classified. Biden claims that he skipped over anything he thought might be classified. Some of the audio recordings have been deleted (for reasons that Hur found satisfactory), but the transcripts do not contain any classified information, and neither do the books, so there is no evidence of any wrongdoing.

White House pushes back on depiction of ghostwriter in special counsel report

Robert Hur’s report discusses conversations that Biden had with Mark Zwonitzer, a writer and documentary filmmaker.

www.nbcnews.com

How the ghostwriter of Biden's memoirs ended up in the center of a classified documents probe

President Joe Biden worked so closely with ghostwriter Mark Zwonitzer that he is accused of sharing government secrets with him.

apnews.com

Hur confirms Biden's ghostwriter destroyed evidence after special counsel appointment

abc3340.com

Department of Justice (DOJ) special counsel Robert Hur confirmed Tuesday President Joe Biden’s ghostwriter discarded audio recordings of conversations about the executive office’s military decisions.

 

[7thKeeper]

As I said, you can’t have it both ways; is unprecedented AND standard procedure. Claims of Trump wrong doing are false. If you cannot see the law fare tactic to interfere with the 2024 election, not all have eyes to see.

This has already been pointed out, arguing this is completely misunderstanding what each refers to. Nobody is talking of the same thing when referring to unprecedented and standard procedure. Please stop making this false arguement. English isn't even my native language and I can understand what each point refers to.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

That is inconsistent with Hur’s testimony. He said he revealed classified information and “read classified information out loud” to him.

Based on what evidence, precisely? If he has any, he obviously hasn't shared it with anyone - the House Rs would be scrambling to impeach if they had proof of such a clear-cut crime.

Hur confirms Biden's ghostwriter destroyed evidence after special counsel appointment

abc3340.com

Department of Justice (DOJ) special counsel Robert Hur confirmed Tuesday President Joe Biden’s ghostwriter discarded audio recordings of conversations about the executive office’s military decisions.

In which Biden claims he did not share any classified material, which is backed up by the transcripts, which were not destroyed.

 

[BPPLEE]

Based on what evidence, precisely? If he has any, he obviously hasn't shared it with anyone - the House Rs would be scrambling to impeach if they had proof of such a clear-cut crime.

In which Biden claims he did not share any classified material, which is backed up by the transcripts, which were not destroyed.

Biden doesn’t know what he shared.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

No. I'm a Constitutional apologist based on Conservative principles of the Declaration of Independence - limited government and Individual freedom. The departments are subject to the elected POTUS, not the other way around.

The president does not have the "individual freedom" to decide what is or isn't classified, or who is authorized to see classified materials.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Biden doesn’t know what he shared.

And neither does Hur, as far as I can tell.

 

[DaisyDay]

Like I said burden of proof. People can say many things. A proper link will do or is that too much to ask?

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial

Read it and weep. Really, it wasn't that hard to find a transcript.

When bluntly asked to tell his Proudboy supporters to "stand down" he instead instructed them to "stand by" and they interpreted his J6 speech as a direct call to action, according to their defense pleas.

You meant this I would assume. Didn't he said he doesn't condone it?

Trump says he may pay legal fees of supporter who sucker-punched protester at rally

So although he says he doesn't condone it, he'll pay the legal fees? There seems to be a bit of an internal contradiction there. Paraphrase: I'm not saying my violent supporters should punch the protesters, but if they do, I am looking into paying their legal fees. He says he is not condoning it in the same paragraph in which he condones it. Weasel words.

I'm asking for a direct instruction that he said. Not comment on acts of others.

Like telling the cops not to shield the suspects' heads when putting them in the car for arrest?

I hope for an actual call to violence. Like what you would read about the Rwanda genocide "cut the tall trees"

He does a lot of winking and nodding.

 

[Soldier of Christ1516]

Nobody is talking of the same thing when referring to unprecedented and standard procedure. Please stop making this false arguement.

I am pointing out the false argument. Big difference.

President Trump has the authority not the Deep State. They are attempting to do to him what they did to General Flynn, entrap him in a process crime with no underlying crime having been committed. Doubling down on this corruption of power by calling it "standard procedure" is the propaganda that I see through for what it is. And I will NOT adopt the language of my enemy.

We learned last week this abuse of power extended to the Deep State authorizing itself to use deadly force in execution of a warrant agains the President of the United States guarded by the Secret Service. Only a fool would hold themselves to the standard of the law those corrupted by power invent while exempting themselves.

The history of this is criminalizing political disputes. If you do not see this is maximizing violence, look again.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I am pointing out the false argument. Big difference.

President Trump has the authority not the Deep State.

There is no "President Trump" anymore. Donald Trump did not have the authority to keep those classified documents, not the authority to grant himself access.

They are attempting to do to him what they did to General Flynn, entrap him in a process crime with no underlying crime having been committed. Doubling down on this corruption of power by calling it "standard procedure" is the propaganda that I see through for what it is. And I will NOT adopt the language of my enemy.

We learned last week this abuse of power extended to the Deep State authorizing itself to use deadly force in execution of a warrant agains the President of the United States guarded by the Secret Service. Only a fool would hold themselves to the standard of the law those corrupted by power invent while exempting themselves.

The history of this is criminalizing political disputes. If you do not see this is maximizing violence, look again.