How Old Is The Earth

[BNR32FAN]

So Christ died and then 3000 years later he resurrected? Jonah was in the belly of the fish for 3000 years? Should I post more silly examples? Wow Noah was faced with a flood that rained for 40,000 years. Jesus fasted for 40,000 years in the wilderness. I'm kinda liking this 1 day = 1000 years silliness. Your entire post was full of speghetti. Study the Bible to understand what it says - don't study the Bible to make up things and change the context of it.

I think you quoted the wrong person friend, but I agree with everything you said here.

 

[Semper-Fi]

Exodus is a bronze-age text written by and to ancient Israel. Its not written by God and its not written to us.

Your statement "God is telling us" should therefore be fixed to "In a bronze-age Hebrew text its written that God told to ancient Israel..."

You must not be part of the church that was given the Oracles of God then ?

Acts 7:38 (KJV)
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the
angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our
fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

1 Corinthians 10:11 (KJV)
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples:
and they are written for our admonition, upon whom
the ends of the world are come.

Romans 3:2 (KJV)
Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were
committed the oracles [utterances/words spoken] of God.

Hebrews 5:12 (KJV)
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have
need that one teach you again which be the first principles
of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need
of milk, and not of strong meat.

1 Peter 4:11 (KJV)
If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any
man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:
that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ
to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You must not be part of the church that was given the Oracles of God then ?

Acts 7:38 (KJV)
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the
angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our
fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

1 Corinthians 10:11 (KJV)
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples:
and they are written for our admonition, upon whom
the ends of the world are come.

Romans 3:2 (KJV)
Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were
committed the oracles [utterances/words spoken] of God.

Hebrews 5:12 (KJV)
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have
need that one teach you again which be the first principles
of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need
of milk, and not of strong meat.

1 Peter 4:11 (KJV)
If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any
man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:
that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ
to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Yes like I’ve explained Genesis 1 and 2 could’ve only came from one of two sources since it predates man. It either came from God or it came from the imagination of man. So since that poster eliminated the one option the only other option is that it came from the imagination of man and is therefore fiction. So now if we have fiction in the Bible the next step is just to apply it to whatever portions we choose leaving us with no solid foundation of which to base any sort of theology or belief system on.

 

[Diamond72]

I would disagree with this because because Adam & Eve broke the first law that was given

We are talking about Romans 5:13 For sin was in the world before the law was given; but sin is not taken into account when there is no law.

• Before the Law (referring to the Mosaic Law given to Israel through Moses), sin existed in the world.
• However, sin was not imputed (charged against someone’s account) when there was no specific law defining it.
• In other words, without a clear standard (law), sin was not counted as a transgression.

Romans 2:14 "Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. "

This is all very interesting, because some people believe the Oral Tradition goes back to Adam.

Genesis 2:15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

I have to ask. How does Moses know the story of Adam and Eve if it were not for what they call the oral tradition? Clearly Adam knew not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. While there was no formal written law before Moses, people still had a sense of right and wrong based on their conscience, cultural practices, and divine guidance. Moses later codified these principles into the Mosaic Law, providing a more structured legal framework for the Israelites.

Everyone agrees that Adam and Eve lived 6,000 years ago. Everyone agrees that Jesus; lived 2,000 years ago. Adam lived 930 years, Moses lived 950 years. 137 years between the death of Adam and the birth of Noah. His father could have known Adam.

In Kings we read that people did what was right in their own eyes. in Romans 2:14 "Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. "

 

[Diamond72]

Your statement "God is telling us" should therefore be fixed to "In a bronze-age Hebrew text its written that God told to ancient Israel..."

We are adopted into the family even if Abraham is not our Patriarch and Sarah or Hagar is not our Matriarch.

Romans 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

If we do not bear fruit. Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness & self control, we take a chance on being cut off and thrown into the fire.

 

[trophy33]

You must not be part of the church that was given the Oracles of God then ?

Acts 7:38 (KJV)
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the
angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our
fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

1 Corinthians 10:11 (KJV)
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples:
and they are written for our admonition, upon whom
the ends of the world are come.

Romans 3:2 (KJV)
Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were
committed the oracles [utterances/words spoken] of God.

Hebrews 5:12 (KJV)
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have
need that one teach you again which be the first principles
of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need
of milk, and not of strong meat.

1 Peter 4:11 (KJV)
If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any
man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:
that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ
to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Bible is not a library of oracles or of God's words. Its a library of Scriptures. And inspiration is not an infallible dictation, preservation and translation.

 

[trophy33]

We are adopted into the family even if Abraham is not our Patriarch and Sarah or Hagar is not our Matriarch.

But that does not mean we must close our eyes and accept everything from Hebrews as God's words to us.

 

[Diamond72]

Bible is not a library of oracles or of God's words.

The Bible declares “God said” or “Thus says the Lord” approximately 3,800 times.

 

[trophy33]

The Bible declares “God said” or “Thus says the Lord” approximately 3,800 times.

Is it a lot or too little?

 

[Diamond72]

But that does not mean we must close our eyes and accept everything from Hebrews as God's words to us.

Are you talking about the problem of legalism?

Jesus says, “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.” John 14:15

Jesus lived His life as an example for us to follow.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

1. 1 Peter 2:21 (ESV):
   • “For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in His steps.”
2. Ephesians 5:2 (NLT):
   • “Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ.”
3. 1 John 2:6:
   • “The one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.”
4. 1 John 3:15-16:
   • “Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. We know love by this, that He laid down His life for us; and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.”

 

[trophy33]

Are you talking about the problem of legalism?

No. About the problem of making the Bible to be a religious fetish, an idol. And using it as if it was written to us or even written by God.

 

[Diamond72]

Is it a lot or too little?

1. Psalm 19:7–11 (ESV):
   • “The law of the Lord is perfect, reviving the soul; the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple; the precepts of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes; the fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever; the rules of the Lord are true, and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, even much fine gold; sweeter also than honey and drippings of the honeycomb. Moreover, by them is your servant warned; in keeping them there is great reward.

 

[trophy33]

1. Psalm 19:7–11 (ESV):
   • “The law of the Lord is perfect, reviving the soul; the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple; the precepts of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes; the fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever; the rules of the Lord are true, and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, even much fine gold; sweeter also than honey and drippings of the honeycomb. Moreover, by them is your servant warned; in keeping them there is great reward.

A cool song. But it seems you are not using it as a song, are you? More like some absolute, literal testimony about some modern biblical concept (which did not exist in the time the song was written)?

 

[Diamond72]

as if it was written to us or even written by God.

So you are saying the Bible itself is not the word of God, it just contains the word of God?

Hosea 6:6 (NIV):

“For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.”

 

[BNR32FAN]

I have to ask. How does Moses know the story of Adam and Eve if it were not for what they call the oral tradition?

Umm probably because Moses actually had direct two way conversations with God on numerous occasions for several decades throughout the entire book of Exodus. How else would Moses have the information given in Genesis 1 and 2 before Adam was created? Was this handed down thru oral tradition as well? How would that happen if no one was alive to witness it?

 

[trophy33]

So you are saying the Bible itself is not the word of God, it just contains the word of God?

Of course. Its obvious that the majority of text in it is not even ascribed to be God's quotations. From whole books like Ruth or Song of Songs to for example personal notes of Paul in his letters.

The closest to the term "God's words" would be prophetic utterances sections, if written down precisely and preserved properly. Which is commonly not the case. Huge portions of Jeremiah or Isaiah are different in various textual families.

 

[Platte]

I think you quoted the wrong person friend, but I agree with everything you said here.

oops yes I did -

 

[Diamond72]

A cool song. But it seems you are not using it as a song, are you?

David taught me the advantage of following the Law of God. Dr Ornish taught me the advantage of diet and exercise. My brother does not follow the right diet and he has lots of stints to prove it. I have one stint and I learned my lesson. 20 years later I have no stints, no balloons, everything is clear. Are there advantages? Yes there are. If you break the rules be ready to pay the price for that.

 

[BNR32FAN]

So you are saying the Bible itself is not the word of God, it just contains the word of God?

Hosea 6:6 (NIV):

“For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.”

Seems to me that he’s saying that the Bible is mere superstition and not actually factual.

 

[Diamond72]

Of course. Its obvious that the majority of text in it is not even ascribed to be God's quotations.

All we need is the sermon on the mount. Nothing is added to that. Jesus spoke every word of that sermon. Jesus tells us to love God, love our neighbor and love ourselves. This is what is required of us.