Yet Again, At Planet Fitness...

[Ana the Ist]

It does not look like it started with Buffet. " If the hypothesis holds, it means, as suggested by Burton Malkiel, that a blindfolded monkey selecting stocks by throwing darts at a newspaper’s financial pages could perform as well as a financial analyst, or even better." Buffet just claims the statement is true. These are long term investments not short term.

The random walk model, which is probably the most versatile model for empirical validation of the EMH, states that in a price series, all subsequent price changes are random departures from past prices [1]. If information is immediately reflected in stock prices, information today cannot be used to predict prices tomorrow and the path of price changes will be completely random and unpredictable [2]. Using a vivid image suggested by Burton Malkiel [3] “it means that a blindfolded monkey throwing darts at a newspaper’s financial pages could select a portfolio that would do just as well as one carefully selected by the experts”. The irreverent image of Burton Malkiel seems a joke but was taken seriously by the San Francisco Chronicle. This curious anecdote [4, p. 127] shows perfectly the meaning of the efficient market model: it was asked to eight analysts to pick five stocks at the beginning of the year and then their results were compared with those obtained by the stocks chosen by Jolyn, an orangutan. Surprisingly (or maybe not), Jolyn beat the analysts as often as they beat her. This is not, of course, a scientific way to test the model, but this story shows how relevant the consequences of the hypothesis are for investors.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0378437119316462

A little context helps...

It seems this was in reference to theoretical economic models....though apparently someone is claiming to have done it, though that seems unlikely.

 

[BPPLEE]

It doesn't really matter at this point lol. I'm happy that I'm only being called a conservative these days and not a white supremacist lol.

Well apparently I’ve never posted anything that wasn’t lock step in adherence to the Republican Right’s agenda ever in my life .
I didn’t know someone was monttoring alll my posts

 

[Belk]

Exactly and we are fighting to protect the rights of women and spaces of women from men who would come into their spaces and harm them harass them or generally disturb them with their presence. Men don't belong there. Leave the women alone.

Were women clamoring for you to "protect their rights" or did you decide that you know better then they do?

 

[Belk]

Well apparently I’ve never posted anything that wasn’t lock step in adherence to the Republican Right’s agenda ever in my life .
I didn’t know someone was monttoring alll my posts

Didn't you know we all follow you around to ensure you are posting correctly?

 

[rjs330]

Were women clamoring for you to "protect their rights" or did you decide that you know better then they do?

I honestly don't believe you are that ignorant. Here's one article that might help.
https://unherd.com/2022/11/why-do-womens-spaces-still-need-defending/

You never heard of the slur terf? Those are women opposed to men invading their spaces and taking away their rights as women.
Twenty years a Terf

How about Riley Gains?

There are are MANY women who oppose this and want their rights to womens spaces protected. Is it okay if I side with them?

 

[Belk]

I honestly don't believe you are that ignorant. Here's one article that might help.
Why do women's spaces still need defending?

You never heard of the slur terf? Those are women opposed to men invading their spaces and taking away their rights as women.
Twenty years a Terf

How about Riley Gains?

I heard of "terfs" but was not really up on it. So to be clear you are supportive of the radical feministism, or just on this one issue?

There are are MANY women who oppose this and want their rights to womens spaces protected. Is it okay if I side with them?

I stand corrected rjs330. You clearly have a small minority of radical feminists who are in agreement with you.

 

[rturner76]

You don't think this happens on the left?

You know I'm sure it does happen on the left. The thing is, it seems to me, that the right's agenda is more like passing laws in order to legislate Judeao-Christian values and protect the interests of corporations than protecting people's everyday civil rights. I mean even is schools, some children a terrified of getting naked in front of the other students. If you are chubby or have something different than normal on your body, you can be ridiculed. What the right seems to not accept is that times do change. Things that were acceptable 30-40 years ago sometimes are not acceptable today. My personal opinion is that we need to focus on making toilets (and even urinals private rather than refusing to provide privacy but allow men in the woman's bathroom/shower.

We already have the right to own firearms....it's in the founding document.

Nobody really has a right to kill anyone on sight.

Some are acquitted because they "felt" threatened even when they weren't under any threat or it was actually them chasing a guy down with a shotgun, then saying "I felt threatened when they attempted to move the loaded shotgun out of their face. It's not the 2nd amendment I disagree with, it is the loosening up of when it is appropriate to pull out your gun. So at the root of what I said in the post you responded to is, when considering morality, are you more concerned with your 5-year old having privacy in the Denny's bathroom or carrying your .44 Magnum into Denny's That is the contrast I am trying to illustrate when I allude to the morality of the many right-wing people.

I've never been in the women's locker room so I've never known they have doors on their showers. I assumed they had a big tile room with a drain in the middle and shower heads on the walls.

Many or even most places like the YMCA and high school (even elementary for that matter) have open showers. My question becomes can we accept that the newer generations want privacy when they take a shower and are much more sensitive than the older generations? A stall with a full door only takes um an inch or two on each side of the shower head. That is enough room for ripping out all of the pipes and drains are unnecessary. I guess like I said above, I am more concerned with people's right to privacy than a man's right to use the women's toilet.

Most restaurants I've eaten at had doors on the stalls. They also had urinals. This is a key factor in lines for the men's room being shorter.

Yes, and I've gone to baseball games where there was just one big trough that everyone lined up side by side. That's not acceptable to people anymore. Especially the young ones. I can remember going to games as a kid and having some big harry dude whipping it out 6 inches away from me. I wasn't traumatized but it was surely uncomfortable.

Are we talking about the Ukraine here or the impending war with Iran?

Trump didn't start any wars....but he did kill a general. If that war with Iran starts...we should be happy he removed that guy. Time magazine was doing articles on his talent.

I'm thinking specifically about the Vietnam War and the Iraq War. Attacking a sovereign nation whose people don't adopt Western values. To me, it's the same thing because, at the heart of it, they don't want to protect people's right to be gay, change their gender, or dress themselves up as the opposite sex. While I personally think it's not right, I can't control other people's minds. To me, it seems that people with a lifestyle that goes in that direction should still have their right to privacy respected instead of saying "Conform to social norms because we want to keep things like the old days where you had to live in the closet and sneak around and we could pretend you don't exist." To me, the right is more about forcing people to comply with their Christian values than protect their freedom.

 

[rturner76]

Yup, but if they don't want to do that then that's fine. They should then keep the men out of the women's spaces. It's a lot cheaper. But it is up to them.

I think that is a very right-wing opinion which I respect. However, time has passed and a few new generations have been born since the civil rights law passed. With GLBT+ being now a protected class, they have the right to their privacy on the toilet.

I understand that people's Judeo-Christian values would not want to make a space in their establishment for these people. It's just that society has turned the page on keeping these people in the closet and it feels good to be able to say "Your kind don't belong here." but unfortunately they have rights that supersede a business owner's moral code. We ant to say that a business owner has the right to do business with whomever they want when they want but if it's not an exclusive club where only members are allowed in, it's a public space..

Now, I can see a business owner having the ability to make these adjustments when they can afford them or have an opportunity to make monthly payments on the work they hired out but I've had construction done and it doesn't cost much to install a couple of full-length doors on an existing stall or building new ones, but our society provides rights for these people and it's looked at the same way we had to make adjustments to desegregate bathroom, waiting room, waterfountains, beaches and the like.

 

[rturner76]

@Ana the 1st is not a conservative. It’s his thread

It's funny how one can be lock-step with conservative ideology and not be a conservative. I've seen him (or her) on here for a number of years and have never witnessed anything but conservative lead viewpoints. But I guess.....

What is any of that going to do about a biological male walking around naked in the women’s locker room?

You may be thinking about the 20th century. In modern times, LGBT+ people have rights and no longer need to hide in the closet or be beaten up outside a gay bar. The idea of a "men's" or "women's place to defecate or take a shower is outdated. We have the materials and the ability to install private stalls. Europe has been doing it for decades. I went to the toilet at the beach and there was no men's or women's toilet. There were just toilets lined up on the wall with private doors. Now I know the right-wing ideology wants nothing to do with anything European because America is superior to any country in the world but they figured it out. Why is it so hard for the right to let go of gender assignments and care nothing for personal privacy? I'll tell you why.....The Right (more accurately the conservatives or better yet Neo-Cons) legislate based on Judeo-Christian values and a unified national identity not tainted by things like a free-thinking, individual value system, or an "alternative lifestyle." It's all about conforming to Biblical laws and the morality it teaches. Not believing that people have a right to be different than them. It's all about conformity and maintaining the status quo. The definition of conservative is "as little change as possible" or "never change." they would rather force business owners to watch the door of the restroom rather than just provide privacy for their patrons.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Well apparently I’ve never posted anything that wasn’t lock step in adherence to the Republican Right’s agenda ever in my life .
I didn’t know someone was monttoring alll my posts

Oops?

It's an ironic statement considering the term NPC was created to describe people on the left who's politics had become so easy to predict that they were unironically like the background characters in large open world video games.....limited to canned pre-packaged responses and unable to think for themselves.

 

[BPPLEE]

It's funny how one can be lock-step with conservative ideology and not be a conservative. I've seen him (or her) on here for a number of years and have never witnessed anything but conservative lead viewpoints. But I guess.....

You may be thinking about the 20th century. In modern times, LGBT+ people have rights and no longer need to hide in the closet or be beaten up outside a gay bar. The idea of a "men's" or "women's place to defecate or take a shower is outdated. We have the materials and the ability to install private stalls. Europe has been doing it for decades. I went to the toilet at the beach and there was no men's or women's toilet. There were just toilets lined up on the wall with private doors. Now I know the right-wing ideology wants nothing to do with anything European because America is superior to any country in the world but they figured it out. Why is it so hard for the right to let go of gender assignments and care nothing for personal privacy? I'll tell you why.....The Right (more accurately the conservatives or better yet Neo-Cons) legislate based on Judeo-Christian values and a unified national identity not tainted by things like a free-thinking, individual value system, or an "alternative lifestyle." It's all about conforming to Biblical laws and the morality it teaches. Not believing that people have a right to be different than them. It's all about conformity and maintaining the status quo. The definition of conservative is "as little change as possible" or "never change." they would rather force business owners to watch the door of the restroom rather than just provide privacy for their patrons.

I’m all for people having the right to be whatever they want to be and do whatever they want to do but I have enough common sense to know that young girls shouldn’t have to get dressed or use the bathroom in the same area as men.
It has nothing to do with any religious beliefs or conservative values.
I don’t want men in the same bathroom with my daughter and granddaughter.
Why is that hard to understand? You think it’s a good idea? You call this progress?
I call it stupid.

 

[Ana the Ist]

You know I'm sure it does happen on the left.

Ok.

The thing is, it seems to me, that the right's agenda is more like passing laws in order to legislate Judeao-Christian values and protect the interests of corporations than protecting people's everyday civil rights.

Is that what you think is happening with this issue?

I mean even is schools, some children a terrified of getting naked in front of the other students. If you are chubby or have something different than normal on your body, you can be ridiculed. What the right seems to not accept is that times do change.

I'd say that what the left doesn't seem to accept is that times can change for the worse. They seem to think that if it's "new" and "different" it must be "progress" and they seem to forget that everything they consider evil and wrong with the world was once "new" and "different" and seen as "progress".

Things that were acceptable 30-40 years ago sometimes are not acceptable today. My personal opinion is that we need to focus on making toilets (and even urinals private rather than refusing to provide privacy but allow men in the woman's bathroom/shower.)

Right but it's part of a larger issue of other things like "pronouns" and men and women's prisons, and childhood healthcare and education. Even if your solution worked well for this particular part of the issue....it wouldn't necessarily do much for the rest of it.

Some are acquitted because they "felt" threatened even when they weren't under any threat or it was actually them chasing a guy down with a shotgun, then saying "I felt threatened when they attempted to move the loaded shotgun out of their face. It's not the 2nd amendment I disagree with, it is the loosening up of when it is appropriate to pull out your gun.

I'm afraid everyone has their own opinion on that issue....and most of them stink. There's a black teenager (I think) who was recently shot and killed by police and many believe it was wrong....because of the number of times the police fired into the vehicle. This is despite him shooting at police first.

The point is that no matter where we draw the line on what is legal and what is illegal...some people will always disagree and feel dissatisfied.

So at the root of what I said in the post you responded to is, when considering morality, are you more concerned with your 5-year old having privacy in the Denny's bathroom or carrying your .44 Magnum into Denny's That is the contrast I am trying to illustrate when I allude to the morality of the many right-wing people.

5yo children aren't allowed to carry guns anywhere.

If you meant an adult carrying a gun into Denny's....the point of my response was that issue isn't up for discussion. People aren't discussing a right here. They're discussing special privileges. A man who feels like a woman can still use the men's room just as he did his entire life before he started dealing with whatever mental issues he now has. What he's asking for is something that isn't a right...and appears to cause more problems than it solves. In the case of pronouns....it appears that the same people believe they should be able to control the speech of others, a right they definitely don't have.

Yes, and I've gone to baseball games where there was just one big trough that everyone lined up side by side. That's not acceptable to people anymore. Especially the young ones. I can remember going to games as a kid and having some big harry dude whipping it out 6 inches away from me. I wasn't traumatized but it was surely uncomfortable.

Sorry to hear about that. If you want to end urinals and increase lines to the men's room, that's on you.

I'm thinking specifically about the Vietnam War and the Iraq War. Attacking a sovereign nation whose people don't adopt Western values.

I think it was Uganda that this administration had some harsh words for when they adopted some laws which went against western values.

I'm uncertain though that the majority of the left is aware of what western values are. Western values include the idea that we are all equal under the law...so handing out special privileges to certain groups would be against western values. The DEI initiatives so popular on the left these days are essentially racial hiring quotas....which are strictly against western values.

While I agree that Vietnam and Iraq were a mistake, the Korean War seems to have worked out rather well for S Koreans.

To me, it's the same thing because, at the heart of it, they don't want to protect people's right to be gay,

Gallup polls show that Republicans are split pretty evenly on gay marriage (49% support) so I don't think they're as lock step on the issue as you claim.

change their gender,

What exactly do you mean by this?

Because if it's something that you can charge....or otherwise choose to change....then it doesn't sound like an immutable characteristic like skin color or biological sex.

If you can change it...then it's unclear why we should give special privileges or accommodations to people for their choices. It's unclear why we would even consider it something you would be unable to discriminate against. Why wouldn't the person making these changes be required to live with the consequences of their choices?

We didn't build ramps into buildings and larger bathroom stalls because some people choose to use wheelchairs. Those people have to use wheelchairs.

Are you also against DEI initiatives that tell businesses and schools they should discriminate against straight white men in favor of basically everyone else ?

or dress themselves up as the opposite sex. While I personally think it's not right, I can't control other people's minds.

I don't think anyone is arguing over what someone wears.

To me, it seems that people with a lifestyle that goes in that direction should still have their right to privacy respected

Again, I don't think this is an issue of privacy. These are men who want to use the women's restroom/showers with the women...not segregated from them as if they aren't women. They aren't demanding their own restrooms just like they aren't demanding their own sports leagues.

To me, the right is more about forcing people to comply with their Christian values than protect their freedom.

I'm curious to see if your position on discrimination against white men has changed.

 

[rjs330]

I heard of "terfs" but was not really up on it. So to be clear you are supportive of the radical feministism, or just on this one issue?

I stand corrected rjs330. You clearly have a small minority of radical feminists who are in agreement with you.

Are you of the opinion only radical feminists want men kept out of their spaces? Are you trying to say that every woman who wants men kept out of their spaces is some sort of radical feminists?

 

[rjs330]

Yes, and I've gone to baseball games where there was just one big trough that everyone lined up side by side. That's not acceptable to people anymore. Especially the young ones. I can remember going to games as a kid and having some big harry dude whipping it out 6 inches away from me. I wasn't traumatized but it was surely uncomfortable.

And yet somehow on your side they are perfectly okay with some big hairy dude whipping it out in front of girls and women.

Look, before you go off half cocked, I don't know of ANY of us who are opposed to businesses creating individual bathrooms and showers. Where I worked we have a large room for changing and completely enclosed bathrooms and showers. So you can go in there and do what needs to be done. I can't speak for Ana specifically but I've never heard him say that business should be prohibited from creating individual spaces for people.

What we are against is FORCING businesses to do that for the sake of a few dudes who want to invade a space created for women.

 

[Belk]

Are you of the opinion only radical feminists want men kept out of their spaces?

No. I am of the opinion a subset of radical feminists want men out of their spaces. Those were the ones you linked to and specifically referenced. If there are others feel free to quote them. I did a search for women's groups opposed to trans bathrooms and found no one other hits.

Are you trying to say that every woman who wants men kept out of their spaces is some sort of radical feminists?

No. I did not try say anything of the sort.

 

[rturner76]

Oops?

It's an ironic statement considering the term NPC was created to describe people on the left who's politics had become so easy to predict that they were unironically like the background characters in large open world video games.....limited to canned pre-packaged responses and unable to think for themselves.

Ok? I'm sorry but what do video games have to do with civil rights?

You call this progress?
I call it stupid.

And you would because the right wing has indoctrinated you to believe that people should walk, talk, and act a certain way that is in line with Judeo-Christian values, not civil rights.

Is that what you think is happening with this issue?

Yes.

I'd say that what the left doesn't seem to accept is that times can change for the worse. They seem to think that if it's "new" and "different" it must be "progress" and they seem to forget that everything they consider evil and wrong with the world was once "new" and "different" and seen as "progress"

Have people's rights really been tampered with other than the rights of Judeo-Christian white maleswho are year by year being stripped of their rights to discriminate against people that don't agree with their racist/sexist/homophobic ideology?

Even if your solution worked well for this particular part of the issue....it wouldn't necessarily do much for the rest of it.

What is the rest of it? See, this right-wing stance makes it uncomfortable for them to accept gays and gender-benders' rights to privacy. You seem to still be stuck on keeping men and women out of each other's toilets and showers instead of just providing privacy for men, women, and children Why is that so much more difficult to do than watching who goes in and out on your business's public restrooms because you want to make sure that one is for men and one is for women? Provide privacy for men, women, and children and it's problem solved. But it's not about protecting women, for their rights it's about preserving Judeao-Christian values and forcing those values on everyone in the United States.

The point is that no matter where we draw the line on what is legal and what is illegal...some people will always disagree and feel dissatisfied.

True, especially the conservatives who on average desire gays and transgender people to go back in the closet when they have now been protected by the civil rights laws that were passed over fifty years ago. I'm not saying that I blame the conservatives for wanting to preserve their way of life but time moves on and we can't force these free people back into the closet.

If you meant an adult carrying a gun into Denny's....the point of my response was that issue isn't up for discussion. People aren't discussing a right here. They're discussing special privileges. A man who feels like a woman can still use the men's room just as he did his entire life before he started dealing with whatever mental issues he now has. What he's asking for is something that isn't a right...and appears to cause more problems than it solves. In the case of pronouns....it appears that the same people believe they should be able to control the speech of others, a right they definitely don't have.

What you claim to be a special privilege, I say is observing American citizen's civil rights. Is eliminating white-only water fountains giving people "special privileges." I suppose a conservative would consider having privacy in your shower a "special privilege." but in modern society, these "alternative lifestyle" people actually have civil rights. I don't blame you for promoting that gays and trans people shouldn't be granted "special privileges" (ie civil rights) but in this day and age, that worldview has been dropped and the government concludes that they are protected by civil rights laws though I know how righteous it feels to vilify a group of people as a conservative. Hate gays and trans people all you want but according to Federal law, you can't discriminate against them. Even though it would feel so good to lock up all sexual devients, they have rights..

Sorry to hear about that. If you want to end urinals and increase lines to the men's room, that's on you.

It wasn't as traumatic as just uncomfortable. I have a hard time believing that you (like the other conservatives) feel like it is impossible to provide privacy for urinators and defecators but it's not that hard. In this time of technology and the availability of carpentry products, it's only religious ideology that prevents privacy in restrooms, not economics.

I'm uncertain though that the majority of the left is aware of what western values are. Western values include the idea that we are all equal under the law...so handing out special privileges to certain groups would be against western values. The DEI initiatives so popular on the left these days are essentially racial hiring quotas....which are strictly against western values.

Again, it's not a special privilege, it's the right to privacy protected by the Constitution. The fact that conservatism completely ignores this fact just confirms that conservatives are more interested in preserving Judeo-Christian values than secular civil rights. You (and some of your fellow conservative posters) confirm this with every post that calls for eliminating trans people's right to use a restroom rather than guaranteeing all citizens the right to privacy as it relates to their naked or half-dressed bodies. It is conservative religious values which are being preserved in this issue rather than citizen's civil rights.

Gallup polls show that Republicans are split pretty evenly on gay marriage (49% support) so I don't think they're as lock step on the issue as you claim.

Gay marriage is one thing. Excluding gays and trans people from their ability to defend their civil rights in another

Because if it's something that you can charge....or otherwise choose to change....then it doesn't sound like an immutable characteristic like skin color or biological sex.

Well, the leaders in the field of mental health have decided that the desire of one to change their gender is a diagnosable condition and not a fashion statement. See, promoting that these people are just making lifestyle choices based on lust is a textbook conservative position. Not accepting that this is a medical and mental issue just fuels the fires of the conservative belief that this is a moral and sexual preference issue. This disregards their mental health needs and physical need for a doctor to examine their condition. It's not for some random denomination's moral insight to judge whether or not a mentally ill person deserves treatment or ridicule. The conservatives seem to side with their supposed moral superiority.

That's what makes it hard to understand how someone who has no interest in religion could be so brainwashed into pushing Christian morality on those who are fighting for secular rights. So the question becomes do you support conservative religious morality more than secular civil rights? It would seem to me it's impossible to be invested in both ideologies.

If you can change it...then it's unclear why we should give special privileges or accommodations to people for their choices. It's unclear why we would even consider it something you would be unable to discriminate against. Why wouldn't the person making these changes be required to live with the consequences of their choices?

When it comes to mental health, it's not always a choice to have non-Judeao-Christian values or abnormal desires as it relates to the movement of conserviteves to shove gays and trans people back in the closet.

We didn't build ramps into buildings and larger bathroom stalls because some people choose to use wheelchairs. Those people have to use wheelchairs.

Are you also against DEI initiatives that tell businesses and schools they should discriminate against straight white men in favor of basically everyone else ?

I refuse to buy into the whole oppression of the white man's conservative lie. White men still make more money, own more property, and are given more consideration for promotions, business loans, and invitations by real estate agents to cherry-pick the most exclusive places to live. White men aren't oppressed, they just more and more are being taken to task for being racist, having racist hiring and promotion practices, and the biggest one, not being as easily allowed to discriminate against minorities. I think that's one of the biggest things that have bothered conservatives since the 50's or 60's. Minorities now have enforceable civil rights and it bothers the heck out of many conservatives (not all, but the ones that you seem to support as a conservative apologist.

I don't think anyone is arguing over what someone wears.

If they are wearing a dress, it's a national emergency it seems.

Again, I don't think this is an issue of privacy. These are men who want to use the women's restroom/showers with the women...not segregated from them as if they aren't women. They aren't demanding their own restrooms just like they aren't demanding their own sports leagues.

So do you really believe that a transgender woman would prefer to shower with women that have natural female bodies? It's very conservative to believe that these he-she's would rather just shower in privacy.

I'm curious to see if your position on discrimination against white men has changed.

What discrimination? There has always been a class system in the USA but whites were never slaves. It's not in their history and there are no lasting effects from slavery and Jim Crow in the white community. Oh wait I remember, the US has no "system" and the white race has never benefitted from it throughout American history. Even though white men while doing the same jobs make more money than every other group and receive less jail time for breaking, they are really the ones being exploited and discriminated against in the US. Just another top-tier conservative claim with no data to support it. Again, the feeling of being discriminated against is the feeling of not being allowed to discriminate against minorities and women.

Don't get me wrong, there are white men who suffer under poverty and lack of a proper public school but as a whole they are way more connected and make way more money than anyone who's not white and trying to join the1%

 

[returntosender]

I still don't get it. Is this a porno thread,?

 

[rturner76]

And yet somehow on your side they are perfectly okay with some big hairy dude whipping it out in front of girls and women.

When did I ever say that? I said there would be no need for a men's or women's restroom if they made all of the stalls private. I'm advocating for privacy, not whipping it out in a little girl's face. If there was a private stall with a locking door, you can go in with your child and ensure their safety. I wouldn't want to send my little girl into a woman's room unattended or drag her into the men's

There seems to be a problem with conservatives groaning about who's a man and who's a women and how do we separate them effectively but there is no room in the conservative mind for private stalls across the board. No need to figure out who is what and kids, women and men can all go to the toilet privately. What's wrong with that other than the need to enforce Christian values on the general public. It's more about making laws based on Christianity than providing privacy for everyone.

 

[rjs330]

think that is a very right-wing opinion which I respect. However, time has passed and a few new generations have been born since the civil rights law passed. With GLBT+ being now a protected class, they have the right to their privacy on the toilet.

I don't think it's LG people who are asking to go into the opposite sex spaces. I've heard lesbians complain about it. Women don't want men in their spaces and it's not just radical feminists.

 

[rjs330]

Europe has been doing it for decades.

I have been all over Europe. And you know what, they still have women's and mens bathrooms everywhere. Even in the progressive cities like Geneva, Paris, Dublin, London among others. So no they don't have them everywhere either. And you know what, in those places the women do t want the men in there either.

I know it's a suggestion. But please dont make it out that Europe gone all individual bathrooms. They haven't.

All we are saying is leave the businesses to their business. If they want to great. If they don't want hats fine too and men should stay out of the women's space. If all of America decided to remodel all the bathrooms and everyone had their own individual space then that's just fine.