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I'm sorry for that.

It's possibly due to a genuine desire to explain things and an inability to get through to you.
Maybe we should all have learnt our lesson by now.

I'm sorry too :( but You'll never convince me that the earth is a spinning globe as most likely i'll never convince you that the earth is stationary & level, but that won't stop me trying.
 
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I'm sorry too :( but You'll never convince me that the earth is a spinning globe as most likely i'll never convince you that the earth is stationary & level, but that won't stop me trying.
You could build a camera to take a picture of it from high above where God is if you believe that sort of thing
 
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By the way @d taylor I only found the post where you mentioned your mother having reposed in the Lord after I had written these replies, and had I known I would not have posted them. I would be happy to delete them or leave them up, depending on what would make you happy. I am inclined to delete them myself because it makes me feel like a bit of a jerk, but I also know that debating these subjects can be enjoyable, so I will leave it up to you.

God bless you! I will be praying for you!
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I take no offense, to post made especially in creation discussions/debates. I appreciate you thoughts toward my mom. I have no regrets with mom, she lived a long life (93) and died in no pain and i gave my best. Not without some mistakes, but in the end it was a good time looking after my mom when she needed help. God worked out the end just perfectly, as only God could do. All praise to The Trinity
 
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Can you show me an example of this usage in the scriptures? I see it used in the plural form in Exodus 20:11 but not in reference to an age or an era.
I was thinking more along the lines of what is seen with respect to lifetimes, e.g. "and all the days of Adam were . . . ", and with respect to things like "in those days" (e.g. Gen. 6:4)--which does, as you have noted, have the bet prefix, meaning "in." There is also the expression "all the days of the judge" in Judges 2:18, and this phrase does not include the prepositional prefix for "in". That might be as near as we get to an "age" or an "era" in Hebrew.

I suppose you might be looking more for an English-definition type of "age," but Hebrew does not correlate as closely with English in word meanings as does Greek. Greek is Western in its mindset, whereas Hebrew is more Eastern.

For example, technically Hebrew does not have verb tenses. There are only two basic verb forms: perfect and imperfect. The imperfect verb represents something which is not yet finished, while perfect verbs represent completed actions. Hebrew has no present tense verbs, but statements of fact that are created by a "nominal sentence" (a verbless clause) are usually translated with the addition of a present-tense "to be" verb, e.g. "I Joseph" (Genesis 45:3-4) gets translated as "I am Joseph."

However, Hebrew has many verb forms, despite the lack of clear "tenses" (times): simple, passive voice, causative, consecutive/sequential action, emphatic, passive emphatic, etc. (I'm doing my best to describe the forms with English terms here--each of these has a Hebrew name).

All that to put the "ages" into a little perspective. Time is less important to a Hebrew speaker than it might be to an English speaker. It is difficult for an Anglophone to adjust to this way of thinking--it hardly makes sense to us. In KJV, at least, the word "ages" only appears in the New Testament.
 
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Yes Buzz did, try watching it again, he says plainly to the young girl, ' cus we didn't go there'.

Think about it. If Buzz had not gone to the moon, it would have been true that he was involved in a huge, fraudulent cover-up. And if he were involved in a huge, fraudulent cover-up, it would have been part of a larger conspiracy. And if he were part of a conspiracy so grand as this, he would have been carefully chosen and trained to fill his role in such as way as to NEVER reveal the truth to the public, not even to "the young girl."

You can rest assured that Buzz would not have been such a simpleton as to give the game away like that IF it had all been a fraud. The snippet is taken out of context and misapplied to make it appear he was saying something that he never said. If you watch the clip to the end, he says around the 45-second mark "something stopped in the past that we wanted to keep it going." You can't stop something that you have never done. He is addressing the fact that they had stopped going to the moon, and he is lamenting the fact--wishing we had gone again.

But going to the moon has little to do with whether or not the earth is flat. I don't believe anyone, regardless of their beliefs about the earth's shape, would say the moon doesn't exist. And I don't know why a "flat-earther" would think it impossible to go to the moon. Perhaps I am naive.

My question to flat-earthers would be this: If, as you say, the earth is all co-planar (on one plane, i.e. "flat"), and we all live on the same flat plain of earth's surface, why are there different time zones?

I study online with classmates from around the world. I am saying "Good morning" when some of them are saying "good evening." Sometimes it's bright daylight for them and dark of night for me, or vice versa. Does the sun have shutters to permit its rays to follow a strobing path across the "flat" surface of the earth? How do flat-earthers explain time zones?

On the other hand, I've been in an airplane and seen the curvature of the earth. I've read about the circle of the earth in the Bible. The laws of physics are plain enough--laws which God invented and which are consistent and reliable. The sun cannot possibly leave half the planet in darkness if we all live on the same flat surface....can it?

The following three verses all address the curvature of the earth. In Hebrew, the keyword is "hug" ( ח֣וּג ), which is translated as circuit, compass, and circle--but it's really the same word:

Job 22:14, Proverbs 8:27, and Isaiah 40:22.

The Bible teaches that the earth is round. If my senses did not already tell me the same, this would be enough for me.
 
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I suppose you might be looking more for an English-definition type of "age," but Hebrew does not correlate as closely with English in word meanings as does Greek. Greek is Western in its mindset, whereas Hebrew is more Eastern.
When you say all of the days of someone that doesn’t necessarily indicate an era in my mind because it’s plural. When you say like in the day (singular) then it’s a singular frame of time that does not reflect a 24 hour period. The term all the days is referring to several 24 hour periods that make up an age or an era but it’s still referring to several days. It’s basically the same as saying everyday which refers to several consecutive days. If I said I went to work all the days of last week or everyday last week that’s still the same thing, it’s not exactly referring to an age or an era. In the creation account we’re looking at day in the singular form and the only time I ever see day in the singular form referring to an age or an era is when it’s used with in the term “in the day”. It wasn’t long after I discovered this that I began learning about the dating methods and I’m not referring to courtship of the opposite sex I mean the means in which scientists date the earth. But that’s another discussion.
 
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Hebrew does not correlate as closely with English in word meanings as does Greek. Greek is Western in its mindset, whereas Hebrew is more Eastern.
If you know I'd like to ask you what do you think that Greek is more northern than Hebrew which is more southern than Greek and more northern than Arabic for example...
 
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”Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.
The sad part is that if you'd taken thought for just a few seconds yuo probably wouldn't have posted anything this silly. Yep, God created light first thing,and the sun three days later. The mere existence of water doesn't necessitate the existence of Lake Superior, the Thames River, or the Bay of Fundy, does it? Simply having light exist doesn't make for evenings or mornings, does it? You know, the times punctuated by sunrises and sunsets? Gotta have a sun for that. Think of it this way, Just If you happen to make your way to Thule, Greenland in mid December, you'll see a lot of light, most all of it electric. What you won't find is morning, because the sun isn't coming up for another few weeks.
God called the light day, and the darkness He called night.
Once the sun was there to demark those intervals.

To paraphrase the POTUS, C'mon man!"
 
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Again I would agree. Jesus told His disciples to do this in remembrance of Him
So you missed the parts I've highlighted here, yes?

23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
 
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You'll never convince me that the earth is a spinning globe
So? It's not much dumber than a lot of other ridiculous notions that the some people are willing to embrace.
as most likely i'll never convince you that the earth is stationary & level, but that won't stop me trying.
Here's one no flattie attempted to explain. Tlking to a ham on 20 meters. He's in Queensland, I'm in Tennessee. Bad interference, hard to talk. He switches to CW (Morse code, maximum efficiency) and suggests we try long path. So we both turn our beams (half wave 3 element yagi on my end, dunno what he had except that it was steerable) 180 degrees so they were pointing away from each other. Lo and behold, there we were, little QRN, able to talk without endlessly repeating ourselves. Makes perfect sense on a globe, unexplicable on a flat earth. You're welcome to give it a shot, though; and trying would make you the first.
 
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the only time I ever see day in the singular form referring to an age or an era is when it’s used with in the term “in the day”.
Can you give me an example of this where "in the day" refers to an age? There are hundreds of occurrences of this expression, and what I am seeing is that it applies to a specific day, such as in the day they were created, in the day they ate of the fruit, etc. In Genesis 31:40 "bayyowm" applies to daytime in general, but not to an age. I'm sure it can apply to an age, so I am not discounting your interpretation, I'm just wondering where you see it.

The expression "in the days" is also common--and that, to me, is the nearer equivalent to an age. One who knows Hebrew will know that sometimes plural in Hebrew is a form of emphasis or it can add a nuance of meaning not present in the singular. For example, the Hebrew actually says "the bloods of Abel your brother...." The word "blood" tends to get pluraled when it was shed by violence. The English translation (KJV, at least) never plurals the word, so this nuance is lost.
If you know I'd like to ask you what do you think that Greek is more northern than Hebrew which is more southern than Greek and more northern than Arabic for example...
I'm not sure I understand your question. Greece is mostly west and slightly north of Israel/Canaan. Greek is not a Semitic language, but the Semitic languages are all similar enough to be mostly mutually intelligible, including Hebrew, Syriac/Aramaic (depending on era), Ugaritic, Phoenician, Canaanite, Moabite, etc., and, slightly more divergent, Arabic. One of my professors, a Jewish rabbi, likes to disparage "Greeky thinking." He believes the Greeks were too unintelligent to understand such concepts as that one cannot stop time, i.e. there is no existence of "now." As I have said, Hebrew lacks a present tense verb, though some might argue a little bit with this on one or two exceptions, such as a verb which essentially means "exists."
Yep, God created light first thing,and the sun three days later.
Have you wondered why God created light, then waited three days to create the sun? Have you wondered why God even tells us which day He made what? Why not simply say something like: "In one week, God created everything in our world." Wouldn't that be simpler?

What many miss is that creation week is packed with symbols, because it is God's prophecy of the major events to occur in the yet-future millennia of earth's history. Light represents truth, and during the first thousand years of mankind, everyone knew the truth. They knew that God had created everything. They could speak with Adam himself until Adam died at age 930. They could see the cherubim guarding the way to the Tree of Life with flaming swords. They had the truth. This is why their subsequent rebellion against God was so egregious as to provoke the Flood. The sun represents Jesus--see Revelation 22:16. He is the source of light and truth. No greater Light has ever entered the world, and John 1:4-9 speaks of that Light, "which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." While Jesus is the source of light, like the sun, the prophets reflect that light, like the moon. The moon represents the spirit of prophecy. See 2 Peter 1:19-21. Jesus came to our earth in the fourth millennium, in fulfillment of the record which says he was the lamb slain from the foundation (creation) of the world (see Revelation 13:8).
And He said water, and there was water.
Where did you read this text? While I do not believe God was dependent on pre-existing matter during Creation Week, God did not say "Let there be water," and this was because it did not fit the prophecy. Water represents people (see Revelation 17:15), and the history of earth started with people.
I've been saying third; I stand corrected. The "24 Hour Day Creation" thing is still baloney.
Each day was 24 hours. But each of those 24-hour days represented a millennium in prophecy. See 2 Peter3:8 (in the context of verses 1-13); and Psalm 90:4.
Here's one no flattie attempted to explain. Tlking to a ham on 20 meters. He's in Queensland, I'm in Tennessee. Bad interference, hard to talk. He switches to CW (Morse code, maximum efficiency) and suggests we try long path. So we both turn our beams (half wave 3 element yagi on my end, dunno what he had except that it was steerable) 180 degrees so they were pointing away from each other. Lo and behold, there we were, little QRN, able to talk without endlessly repeating ourselves. Makes perfect sense on a globe, unexplicable on a flat earth. You're welcome to give it a shot, though; and trying would make you the first.
HAM radio operators know about the F1 and F2 atmospheric layers which split during the daytime but combine into a single F layer at night which facilitates the propagation of the radio waves. It is much easier to send the waves through the night side as a result, because the layer division disrupts the waves on the daylight side. This is something a Flat-Earther will be unable to explain, because the entire planet should be lit at the same time on this face. This goes back to my question about time zones. I don't think there can be any answer for time zones in flat-earth theory.
 
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Ok I concede it means kidney, I apologize my Strong’s concordance app adds the term “of seat of emotion and affection” in the definition. This still has nothing to do with the usage of the word day in Genesis 1. I can find all sorts of verses where body parts are sources of our feelings & thoughts, what I can’t find are other verses using the word Yovm that refer to anything other than a day or daytime even tho it’s used 1900 times in the Old Testament.
Its just another example that Bible is not a scientific book. Like the authors did not understand our anatomy, they also did not understand the universe, our origin, the vastness of time and space, the process of evolution and other things.

Which is OK, because they did not aspire to. They liked and preferred myths, symbolism, stories. Those were their favorite genres. We just need to not ascribe our modern favorite genre (a technical description of the objective reality) to theirs.

This can be helpful to you:
 
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Smartest, and least mendacious, thing I've ever seen a flattie say.

Don't you mean, 'Smartest, and least mendacious, thing I've ever seen a flattie post' how can you see anyone saying anything. unless it's sign language of course :laughing:
 
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