Flat Earth Theory.

[The Liturgist]

Do we have to receive the Eucharist in order to receive salvation?

If we have the opportunity to do so, and refuse, this is an example of spiritual sloth or a lack of fidelity. The ordinary form of salvation, except for martyrs and confessors, who get a shortcut, is to be baptized, (and the Orthodox also take the precaution of ensuring infants receive the seal of the Holy Spirit through Chrismation, which most churches only offer to adolescents as part of the catechetical ritual of Confirmatiom), and partaking of the Eucharist (which we also give to infants after their baptism and Chrismation), and regularly confessing our sins, either congregational or individually through auricular (individual, secret) confession.

The Slavic Orthodox and Coptic Orthodox stress a particularly healthy process of confessing at least once a month once one reaches a certain age in childhood, and receiving the Eucharist at least weekly (which had become rare in Orthodoxy until restored as normative by the Greek Kollyvades Brothers and the Russian priest St. John of Kronstadt, who had congregational confession and encouraged everyone at his parish (who were mostly pilgrims and sailors as opposed to regular parishioners) to partake of the Eucharist. And this two fold approach in turn spread to the Coptic Orthodox and other Oriental Orthodox churches, and also to the Assyrians.

 

[Strong in Him]

Your the one who's putting them out there claiming they are real, well prove it. You can't can you ?

But you are the one who is saying, "no, I don't believe your claim that these are real; in fact I know they are fake" - while giving NO evidence to back this claim. No evidence of this mythical basement in which these photos were shot. No testimony from anyone on how they faked the photos and fooled the world. No interviews with relatives of astronauts who died, saying "we lost our relative; he gave his life to perpetuate a hoax". Nothing.
You have said that the Christian astronauts were "most likely deluded freemasons" with NO evidence to back that claim.

Unless you provide evidence - and I don't mean a YouTube clip, although half the clips you provide contradict your claims - then your statements mean absolutely nothing.

 

[The Liturgist]

Yep. We're the followers of Christ, the OT is literally history. If you've read the OT, you know that there's a ton of really un-Christian stuff covered in it. I read the OT as history, but I study the New Testament, especially the Gospels. There's where we find our Lord Christ.

Many of the verses in the Old Testament leave an unpleasant taste in ones mouth if ome uses the Antiochene literal-historical method in exclusion to Alexandrian typological-prophetic hermeneutics. But Psalm 139 is a good example of something which it is easy to dismiss as hate-filled propaganda, when if we reread it as Christological prophecy based what our Lord said about the Law and Prophets speaking of Him, at the end of Luke, which is the basis of Alexandrian exegesis, it makes much more sense and becomes much less offensive or problematic. Most of the great Church Fathers used a mixture of Alexandrian prophetic-typological hermeneutics and Antiochene literal-historical hermeneutics, with the two who are most associated with exclusively using an Alexandrian or Antiochene approach, Origen and Theodore of Mopsuestia respectively, eventually being anathematized, at least by the Chalcedonian churches. This was controversial, especially in Spain where Theodore had a following. However, the most widely venerated Fathers, such as St. Athanasius, St. Cyril, St. John Chrysostom, and especially the Cappadocians, really used both techniques. And this to me seems appropriate, because in the ending of Luke, our Lord did not say the books of the Law and the Prophets, in foretelling Him, did not relate actual historical events.

 

[Apple Sky]

please define real photos

Genuine, the images are true & not CGI produced.

 

[The Liturgist]

At any rate, the Eucharist and Old Testament hermeneutics aside, the Flat Earth idea has been totally debunked and was not seriously believed by anyone other than Muhammed and some of his more devout followers until the early 19th century, when an English eccentric founded a short-lived society of like minded people who had a talent for ignoring the obvious.

But increasingly I think the Flat Earth movement might be beneficial, in a strange way, because people are so shocked and amused by it that they watch content about it and in the process learn more real science and get a better grasp of topics such as gravitation, orbital mechanics, Terrestrial navigation and the Great Circle Route, astronomy, and other useful subjects.

 

[The Liturgist]

God created Adam as a mature adult. I believe God also created a mature universe.

Me too, actually.

 

[weekEd]

Hebrew is just one of the languages

Genuine, the images are true & not CGI produced.

Is a digital photo image genuine?

 

[The Liturgist]

All but maybe 2% already know.

I think on CF.com there are only five active members who have expressed Flat Earth beliefs.

 

[The Liturgist]

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No where in The Bible does it say God is a trinity, so why do you believe this.

Actually it does. The doctrine of the Trinity is one of only a few tjat can be demonstrated on a nuda scriptura basis. Only the word Trinity is extra-Biblical, which is probably why the Nicene Creed as revised in 381 doesn’t use the word.

But as for the Biblical proof, here it is:

The Nicene Creed​

We believe in (Romans 10:8-10; 1John 4:15)
ONE God, (Deuteronomy 6:4, Ephesians 4:6)
the Father (Matthew 6:9)
Almighty, (Exodus 6:3)
Maker of Heaven and Earth, (Genesis 1:1)
and of all things visible and invisible. (Colossians 1:15-16)
And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11:17)
the Son of God, (Mathew 14:33; 16:16)
the Only-Begotten, (John 1:18; 3:16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1:2)
Light of Light; (Psalm 27:1; John 8:12; Matthew 17:2,5)
True God of True God; (John 17:1-5)
Begotten, not made; (John 1:18)
of one essence with the Father (John 10:30)
by whom all things were made; (Hebrews 1:1-2)
Who for us men and for our salvation (1Timothy 2:4-5)
came down from Heaven, (John 6:33,35)
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, (Luke 1:35)
and became man. (John 1:14)
And was crucified for us (Mark 15:25; 1Cointhians 15:3)
under Pontius Pilate, (John 19:6)
and suffered, (Mark 8:31)
and was buried. (Luke 23:53; 1Corinthians 15:4)
And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures. (Luke 24:1 1Corinthians 15:4)
And ascended into Heaven, (Luke 24:51; Acts 1:10)
and sits at the right hand of the Father. (Mark 16:19; Acts 7:55)
And He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24:27)
to judge the living and the dead; (Acts 10:42; 2Timothy 4:1)
whose Kingdom shall have no end. (2 Peter 1:11)
And in the Holy Spirit, (John 14:26)
the Lord, (Acts 5:3-4)
the Giver of Life, (Genesis 1:2)
Who proceeds from the Father; (John 15:26)
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; (Matthew 3:16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets. (1 Samuel 19:20 ; Ezekiel 11:5,13) In one, (Matthew 16: 18)
holy, (1 Peter 2:5,9)
catholic*, (Mark 16:15)
and apostolic Church. (Acts 2:42; Ephesians 2:19-22)
I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins**. (Ephesians 4:5; Acts 2:38)
I look for the resurrection of the dead, (John 11:24; 1Corinthians 15:12-49; Hebrews 6:2; Revelation 20:5)
and the life of the world to come. (Mark 10:29-30)
AMEN. (Psalm 106:48)

Source:

CF Statement of Faith

www.christianforums.com

 

[The Liturgist]

Sorry for you loss of your mom and your other family members problems

My mom (93) was labeled a virus death. She broke her leg Jan 1st 2022, Got the leg fixed, but while her stay in the hospital the general practitioner was determined to get her sodium blood levels (over the last year she had, had low blood sodium) up so she was given a drip the week (5 days) she was in the hospital. I noticed about the third day they were putting to much fluid on my mom. I said something about it but the doctor just ignored my telling him. So when she came home, the physical therapist noticed she was, from her pores, fluid seeping out.

She finally got the fluid off but at the end of the month January 2022, i came home to and her lungs were filled with fluid. I got her to the hospital and they drew off the fluid and got her stabilized. Then while i was in the emergency room with her they came in and said she tested positive for the virus. So she was going to have to go to the floor for the virus patients and i could not go up with her.

So i went home (now about 3:00 am in the morning) i went to sleep til about 7:00 am woke up and called to check on my mom. Talked to the floor nurse and she said my mom actually did not have the virus she had recovered from it, so she would be moved to a different floor that afternoon.

But the damage had been done (i believe) from the excessive fluid put on her when she was in the hospital getting her broke leg fixed. So the fluid came back and i knew she was not going o get better, so i ask to take my mom home and i did. three days later where she died in her own bed.

When the corner came to the house she labeled my mom as a virus death, they also labeled mom as a virus patient at the hospital and never removed this from her chart. So being labeled a virus death means nothing to me.

I am sorry for your loss. That must have been devastating. We may disagree on sacramental theology and the shape of the Earth, but I love and care about you as a brother in Christ.

As we say in my church, may your mother’s memory be eternal!

 

[The Liturgist]

By the way @d taylor I only found the post where you mentioned your mother having reposed in the Lord after I had written these replies, and had I known I would not have posted them. I would be happy to delete them or leave them up, depending on what would make you happy. I am inclined to delete them myself because it makes me feel like a bit of a jerk, but I also know that debating these subjects can be enjoyable, so I will leave it up to you.

God bless you! I will be praying for you!

 

[BibleLinguist]

Actually it does. The doctrine of the Trinity is one of only a few tjat can be demonstrated on a nuda scriptura basis. Only the word Trinity is extra-Biblical, which is probably why the Nicene Creed as revised in 381 doesn’t use the word.

But as for the Biblical proof, here it is:

The Nicene Creed​

We believe in (Romans 10:8-10; 1John 4:15)
ONE God, (Deuteronomy 6:4, Ephesians 4:6)
the Father (Matthew 6:9)
Almighty, (Exodus 6:3)
Maker of Heaven and Earth, (Genesis 1:1)
and of all things visible and invisible. (Colossians 1:15-16)
And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11:17)
the Son of God, (Mathew 14:33; 16:16)
the Only-Begotten, (John 1:18; 3:16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1:2)
Light of Light; (Psalm 27:1; John 8:12; Matthew 17:2,5)
True God of True God; (John 17:1-5)
Begotten, not made; (John 1:18)
of one essence with the Father (John 10:30)
by whom all things were made; (Hebrews 1:1-2)
Who for us men and for our salvation (1Timothy 2:4-5)
came down from Heaven, (John 6:33,35)
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, (Luke 1:35)
and became man. (John 1:14)
And was crucified for us (Mark 15:25; 1Cointhians 15:3)
under Pontius Pilate, (John 19:6)
and suffered, (Mark 8:31)
and was buried. (Luke 23:53; 1Corinthians 15:4)
And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures. (Luke 24:1 1Corinthians 15:4)
And ascended into Heaven, (Luke 24:51; Acts 1:10)
and sits at the right hand of the Father. (Mark 16:19; Acts 7:55)
And He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24:27)
to judge the living and the dead; (Acts 10:42; 2Timothy 4:1)
whose Kingdom shall have no end. (2 Peter 1:11)
And in the Holy Spirit, (John 14:26)
the Lord, (Acts 5:3-4)
the Giver of Life, (Genesis 1:2)
Who proceeds from the Father; (John 15:26)
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; (Matthew 3:16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets. (1 Samuel 19:20 ; Ezekiel 11:5,13) In one, (Matthew 16: 18)
holy, (1 Peter 2:5,9)
catholic*, (Mark 16:15)
and apostolic Church. (Acts 2:42; Ephesians 2:19-22)
I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins**. (Ephesians 4:5; Acts 2:38)
I look for the resurrection of the dead, (John 11:24; 1Corinthians 15:12-49; Hebrews 6:2; Revelation 20:5)
and the life of the world to come. (Mark 10:29-30)
AMEN. (Psalm 106:48)

Source:

CF Statement of Faith

www.christianforums.com

Genesis 1 gives no support such as you seek. In fact, the Trinity dogma is so biblical, that it is not allowed on this forum to challenge it, as I understand. I don't believe anyone is allowed to counter it here.

Real truth needs no support of this nature--it can stand in the face of criticism.

The Bible says: "Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." Let's just hope that the persuasion is correct, for it is knowing the truth that will set us free--error helps no one.

 

[Apple Sky]

Hebrew is just one of the languages

Is a digital photo image genuine?

Depends - There is a program on line where you can find out if a photo has been photo shopped but I can't remember what it's called now.

Image Forensics : Error Level Analysis

www.errorlevelanalysis.com

 

[weekEd]

Actually it does. The doctrine of the Trinity is one of only a few tjat can be demonstrated on a nuda scriptura basis. Only the word Trinity is extra-Biblical, which is probably why the Nicene Creed as revised in 381 doesn’t use the word.

But as for the Biblical proof, here it is:

The Nicene Creed​

We believe in (Romans 10:8-10; 1John 4:15)
ONE God, (Deuteronomy 6:4, Ephesians 4:6)
the Father (Matthew 6:9)
Almighty, (Exodus 6:3)
Maker of Heaven and Earth, (Genesis 1:1)
and of all things visible and invisible. (Colossians 1:15-16)
And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11:17)
the Son of God, (Mathew 14:33; 16:16)
the Only-Begotten, (John 1:18; 3:16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1:2)
Light of Light; (Psalm 27:1; John 8:12; Matthew 17:2,5)
True God of True God; (John 17:1-5)
Begotten, not made; (John 1:18)
of one essence with the Father (John 10:30)
by whom all things were made; (Hebrews 1:1-2)
Who for us men and for our salvation (1Timothy 2:4-5)
came down from Heaven, (John 6:33,35)
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, (Luke 1:35)
and became man. (John 1:14)
And was crucified for us (Mark 15:25; 1Cointhians 15:3)
under Pontius Pilate, (John 19:6)
and suffered, (Mark 8:31)
and was buried. (Luke 23:53; 1Corinthians 15:4)
And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures. (Luke 24:1 1Corinthians 15:4)
And ascended into Heaven, (Luke 24:51; Acts 1:10)
and sits at the right hand of the Father. (Mark 16:19; Acts 7:55)
And He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24:27)
to judge the living and the dead; (Acts 10:42; 2Timothy 4:1)
whose Kingdom shall have no end. (2 Peter 1:11)
And in the Holy Spirit, (John 14:26)
the Lord, (Acts 5:3-4)
the Giver of Life, (Genesis 1:2)
Who proceeds from the Father; (John 15:26)
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; (Matthew 3:16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets. (1 Samuel 19:20 ; Ezekiel 11:5,13) In one, (Matthew 16: 18)
holy, (1 Peter 2:5,9)
catholic*, (Mark 16:15)
and apostolic Church. (Acts 2:42; Ephesians 2:19-22)
I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins**. (Ephesians 4:5; Acts 2:38)
I look for the resurrection of the dead, (John 11:24; 1Corinthians 15:12-49; Hebrews 6:2; Revelation 20:5)
and the life of the world to come. (Mark 10:29-30)
AMEN. (Psalm 106:48)

Source:

CF Statement of Faith

www.christianforums.com

Trinity is an evolved concept not present in previous writings
The Matthew Gospel as the others are written with purpose by people that read the previous scripture
Quite literally Moses was a person also who had personal experiences that influenced his writing and some of them were previous writings, it's only assumed because there is evidence that he knew how to read and write
As a point of contention it seems to serve it's purpose

 

[weekEd]

Depends - There is a program on line where you can find out if a photo has been photo shopped but I can't remember what it's called now.

Image Forensics : Error Level Analysis

www.errorlevelanalysis.com

So a person building a camera with the purpose of photographing the earth is not evidence that the images it produced is genuine
And genuine photos aren't digital

 

[Apple Sky]

So a person building a camera with the purpose of photographing the earth is not evidence that the images it produced is genuine

What do you mean by 'a person building a camera ' ?

 

[weekEd]

What do you mean by 'a person building a camera ' ?

assembling and manufacuring parts and peices

 

[Apple Sky]

assembling and manufacuring parts and peices

Most of NASA's cameras have fish eyed lenses to cover up the fact that the earth is level.

 

[weekEd]

Most of NASA's cameras have fish eyed lenses to cover up the fact that the earth is level.

most people never been above the atmosphere...
The fish eye lens is to increase capture area...

 

[Apple Sky]

most people never been above the atmosphere...

I know, because even if they could they can't go any further. The furthest they can go up is about 100 km.