Flat Earth Theory.

[BNR32FAN]

The igneous rocks whose ages are measured radiometrically were formed by solidification from a molten magma at a temperature of about 1000°C. We do know that this temperature is not enough to change the half-lives of radioactive nuclei.

And this formed all the layers in one day 6,000 years ago? Of coarse not because it would take eons for it to cool enough before life could possibly survive. So obviously this is not what actual took place according to the Bible. What took place according to the Bible was a miraculous creation that defies the laws of physics, thermodynamics, and biology. Now you can reject that if you want but you can’t actually prove how the earth was created because the only thing you have to support your theory are assumptions and predictions. I’m going by an eyewitness testimony from the only Being who was present at the time.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Carbon dating was never used to measure the age of the Earth. The half-life of carbon-14 is 5730 years, whereas the Earth is 4540±20 million years old. Radiocarbon dating cannot be used to measure the ages of rocks, or of organic material older than about 50,000 years; it is most useful in archaeology and in studies of climate during the last 50,000 years. What is your evidence that, within this age limit, carbon dating is now considered unreliable?

I never said it was used to measure the age of the earth but it has been used to date materials more than 6,000 years. I’m aware of how far back carbon dating can be used. You can click on the post below and see that I’ve pointed this out to someone else last year.

Technically they say carbon dating can only go back a maximum of 50,000 years, it’s thermoluminescence dating that they claim can go back further. I don’t remember how far back it can go but it all still hangs on THEORIES. Which means they’re basically saying IF X,Y, & Z are true then that would mean that the earth is X amount of years old. We don’t know that X, Y, & Z are true we just think they are. It’s a best guess with the very limited data we have. So we can trust a theory or we can trust the One who was there who actually created the universe and everything in it.

 

[Apple Sky]

No need, you're busy providing comic relief,.

Laughter is good for the soul.

 

[BNR32FAN]

It is interesting that you have to go back 150 years. By the 1920s geologists had used radiometric dating to show that the Earth was about 2000 million years old, and during the 1950s, nearly 70 years ago, Clair Patterson used lead isotope ratios in meteorites and terrestrial rocks to obtain an age of 4550±50 million years, almost identical with the modern age of 4540±20 million years.

I’m aware of this to but when did scientists actually begin attempting to date the age of the earth? About 150 years ago right? The point was to indicate how scientists have been claiming they know the age of the earth over and over and over and the predicted ages have changed over and over and over. So obviously I wouldn’t start at 1950 to demonstrate this.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The age of the Earth has been proven to be over 6000 years; that is as well established as the fact that the Earth is not a flat disc and the sky is not a solid vault.

Ok present your evidence that the earth is over 6,000 years old. And I don’t believe in a flat earth.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Radioactive substances have been subjected to temperatures and pressures far beyond those experienced in the Earth's crust but their half-lives have remained constant. The energies required to melt rocks and minerals (i.e. to break the molecular bonds holding the rocks together) are only millionths of the binding energies per nucleon in atomic nuclei. Therefore the energies experienced in the Earth's crust are not enough to perturb radioactive decay rates and half-lives.

What kind of energy would it take to create the earth in one day? That’s been my point from the beginning. What effect would such an event have on the materials?

 

[BNR32FAN]

You are confusing the look-back time with the radius of the universe. Because the universe is expanding, the distances of the farthest galaxies are not the same as the time since they emitted the light that we see them by. This is not a discrepancy for cosmologists, who understand these matters.

And I said that right after this portion you’ve quoted here, didn’t I? That the universe is expanding and that the Bible says several times that God stretched out the heavens? You saw that I said that in the post, right?

 

[BNR32FAN]

The Bible is not evidence.

It’s not to an atheist? But this is Christian Forums and I’m a Christian, not an atheist. To people who actually believe the Bible it is proof. Are you a Christian?

 

[BNR32FAN]

As I have already explained, the presence of radioactive decay products in igneous rocks when they were formed can be detected by isochron methods, and we do know the conditions under which these rocks were formed.

But you can’t tell me what these materials would’ve been subjected to if the earth was created in one day. I completely understand that scientists understand how they could be formed over billions of years, but that’s not how God said He did it, is it?

 

[BNR32FAN]

I believe in the miracle of Creation, and don't believe that God is bound by the Time that He created as we are.

Why did God give us the Bible? Why did He include the creation account in it? Was it so that He could remember how He did it? Or was it so that he could tell us how He did it? So why would he use days instead of billions of years? I could understand that if God made the Bible for His own reference then He might write it from His perspective and write I made the earth on day one and I made the heavens on day two, but the Bible wasn’t written for His reference it was written for our reference, so why would He write it according to His perspective? No He wrote it for man to be understood from man’s perspective.

 

[BNR32FAN]

We know that by looking at His creation and seeing that it's old

The day Adam was created did he look like he was a day old? Now before you answer let me remind you that the day he was created he named all the animals. Can a one day old do that? So do you think he looked like a one day old human being?

 

[BNR32FAN]

If that means that I have to that it took God only six days of 24 human-created "hours" each to create the universe, then no. But then again, yiou don't believe that the bread and wine of the Holy Communion are our Lord's Body and Blood as He said they are, so that leaves you open to the charge of not believeing what our Lord Christ said. "But but but but...", right?

Oh we can discuss the Eucharist if you’d like. Yes you are correct I don’t believe the wine was His blood and the bread was His flesh. Was He speaking literally when He said “anyone who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life”. Because Judas received the Eucharist from Christ Himself in the upper room along with the rest of the apostles, did he receive eternal life?

”And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He said, “Take this and share it among yourselves; for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine from now on until the kingdom of God comes.” And when He had taken some bread and given thanks, He broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood. But behold, the hand of the one betraying Me is with Mine on the table. For indeed, the Son of Man is going as it has been determined; but woe to that man by whom He is betrayed!”“
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22‬:‭17‬-‭22‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

He said something similar to the Samaritan woman at the well.

”but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.”“
‭‭John‬ ‭4‬:‭14‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Now was Jesus speaking literally about the Eucharist?

 

[BNR32FAN]

I'd be cautious of any "Biblical position" gleaned from the Old Testament. There was some pretty scary stuff going on back in those days.

You do realize that the Old Testament is the word of God and Christianity is the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies right?

 

[BNR32FAN]

What proof is there for Adam and Eve not having existed?

You can’t ask for proof that something didn’t exist. You’d have to be everywhere at once in all time to do that. So it’s not a reasonable expectation.

 

[Jipsah]

You do realize that the Old Testament is the word of God and Christianity is the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies right?

Yep. We're the followers of Christ, the OT is literally history. If you've read the OT, you know that there's a ton of really un-Christian stuff covered in it. I read the OT as history, but I study the New Testament, especially the Gospels. There's where we find our Lord Christ.

 

[Jipsah]

Why did God give us the Bible?

Not to tell us that He's bound by time, that much is certain.

Why did He include the creation account in it?

So we'd know that He created the universe, not so we'd know precisely how long it took.

Was it so that He could remember how He did it?

No, because it doesn't say how He did it.

Or was it so that he could tell us how He did it?

He didn't.

So why would he use days instead of billions of years?

In a writing targeted at people to whom the idea of a "billion" was pure gibberish? And to whom the amount of time it took as altogether irrelevant? Hmmm...

I could understand that if God made the Bible for His own reference then He might write it from His perspective and write I made the earth on day one and I made the heavens on day two, but the Bible wasn’t written for His reference it was written for our reference, so why would He write it according to His perspective? No He wrote it for man to be understood from man’s perspective.

And to have given precise detail wouild have meant it wouldn't be understood at all. But that wasn't the point anyway. It was to declare that God made everything. End of.

 

[prodromos]

What kind of energy would it take to create the earth in one day? That’s been my point from the beginning. What effect would such an event have on the materials?

This is trying to circumscribe the supranatural within the natural, which can never work. All it took was God's will. He said, "let it be so", and it was so.
There was no influx of energy when Christ blessed a couple of fish and a few loaves of bread to feed thousands of people. In natural terms it would have required a vast amount of energy to create that amount of matter, but the Scriptures give no evidence of that.

 

[prodromos]

Oh we can discuss the Eucharist if you’d like. Yes you are correct I don’t believe the wine was His blood and the bread was His flesh. Was He speaking literally when He said “anyone who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life”. Because Judas received the Eucharist from Christ Himself in the upper room along with the rest of the apostles, did he receive eternal life?

”And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He said, “Take this and share it among yourselves; for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine from now on until the kingdom of God comes.” And when He had taken some bread and given thanks, He broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood. But behold, the hand of the one betraying Me is with Mine on the table. For indeed, the Son of Man is going as it has been determined; but woe to that man by whom He is betrayed!”“
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22‬:‭17‬-‭22‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself. That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died.
1 Corinthians 11:27-30

 

[Jipsah]

Oh we can discuss the Eucharist if you’d like.

Sure. I believe what our Lord said was meant literally, you don't.

Yes you are correct I don’t believe the wine was His blood and the bread was His flesh.

Ah, so you Don't Believe The Bible, yes? There, we're even.

Was He speaking literally when He said “anyone who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life”. Because Judas received the Eucharist from Christ Himself in the upper room along with the rest of the apostles, did he receive eternal life?

If it is God's will, yeah. I'm not appointed to be Judas's judge.

Now was Jesus speaking literally about the Eucharist?

Yep. And you don't believe it. Got it.

 

[Jipsah]

The day Adam was created did he look like he was a day old?

I wasn't there, and the Bible doesn't say.

Now before you answer let me remind you that the day he was created he named all the animals. Can a one day old do that? So do you think he looked like a one day old human being?

Depnds on how long that "day" was. How long are "days" for God?