Adam, Eve, and Evolution

[AV1611VET]

And it’s not as if it’s only stated once or twice but several times in different books and it says man was created in the beginning, not the middle, and not the end.

Yup.

I have a feeling our "Blood Drinker" is more interested in sarcasm than the Truth.

 

[Jipsah]

The Bible says the heavens and the earth and man were created in the beginning. Your explanation puts man’s creation at the end of the time line, not the beginning.

I have no earthly idea what you're talking about.

 

[Jipsah]

Yup.

I have a feeling our "Blood Drinker" is more interested in sarcasm than the Truth.

Maybe you just can't tell the difference.

BTW, I take it you're a grape juice sipper.
Figures.
"hard saying, who can hear it?", right?

 

[Jipsah]

This kind of thinking is a result of not caring about what is true or not, it’s equivalent to simply replying “whatever, who cares”.

He who is boneheaded, let him be boneheaded still.

 

[Jipsah]

2 Peter 3:8 says a day is “like” (Hos) a thousand years and a thousand years is “like” (Hos) a day.

The Bible says the heavens and the earth and man were created in the beginning.

Yes, it does. But not in the beginning of Creation, is it? Day Six of Six, wasn't it. Pay attention, for crying out loud!

Your explanation puts man’s creation at the end of the time line, not the beginning.

Good grioef, see above, or if all e;lse fails, read Genesis.

This statement is made in reference to God’s slowness about His return, not creation.

Yes, it was pertinent there too, wasn't it? God isn't bound by time at all, ever. "Oh, but He was this time" is self-serving rubbish designed to keep a weakly formed strongly held doctrine from coming apart.

It doesn’t say that a day is a thousand years or a thousand years is a day and the creation account in Genesis

Funny, it was still God doing the creating, wasn't it? You saying He was bound by time then? That "Psalm 9i0:4 "For in Your sight a thousand years are but a day that passes, or a watch of the night." Didn't apply then, but only when your doctrine agrees with it? No wonder fundies are ready to believe any hogwash that any slick scripture-twister invents!

and Exodus 20:11 don’t say that the heavens and the earth were created “like” or “as”

Translate to English, please.

(Hos) 6 days. Genesis 1:1 says in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. In Matthew 19:4 Jesus says God made man and woman in the beginning.

Genesis says 6th day. Is one wrong, or are you simply misunderstanding one?

If you put the creation of man at 6,000 years . Which I do not. This leaves the those who believe it literally stuck with the miserable "God made the Creation look older", which turns God into a con artist. No thanks, I'll pass on that one. My tolerance for hogwash is way too low for that.

that puts man’s creation right in the middle of the timeline, not the beginning, and if you follow along with the theory of evolution that puts man at the last 0.0075% of the timeline which is at the very very end.

According to Scvripture it was at the end of the "six days".

Since evolutionists claim that the earth is 4 billion years old and man has existed for 300,000 years that means that man’s existence has only been 0.0075% of the creation of the world.

And if Adam & Eve were created late on the 6th day, there are your numbers.

So no matter if you believe the world took 6,000 years or 4 billion years neither of these put man’s creation at the beginning.

Neither does Scripture, go back and read it.

Not only that Paul said in Romans 5 that death came into the world thru Adam’s transgression.

Which has nothing whatsoever to do with this discussion.

According to the theory of evolution death came into the world millions of years before Adam was created. Evolution is not biblical.

The Bible silent on the subject, and opinions are worth the price charged.

 

[AV1611VET]

Maybe you just can't tell the difference.

I don't need to be a Rhodes scholar to know the difference.

BTW, I take it you're a grape juice sipper.

Negative, my friend.

Grape juice, down the hatch in one drink.

And a wafer eater as well.

If you use blood for the drink, what do you use for the wafer?

Figures.
"hard saying, who can hear it?", right?

Hear what?

 

[Jipsah]

Do you feel it's necessary to use a serious discussion on theology as a springboard for these kinds of remarks?

Okay then if we take it as a literal 24-hour day?

Sure. Then "God Just Made It Look Old". God as pracical joker or con arttist? God just having a laugh at our expense?

Have you ever noticed that those who think like this always use that passage to say a day could be more than a 24-hour period?They never use it to say it could be less than a 24-hour period as well.

Could have? Certainly. He's God. Your lot generally takes it to mean a "day" must either mean 24 hours or 1000 years, which is simply reading with brain disengaged. But the evidence of the Creation Itself (yeah, I know it Doesn't Count) looks a zillion years old. You have to explain that away, and generally do a really embarassing job when you try.

I agree and the context that the verse is being used is not referring to creation but the slowness of God’s return.

St. Peter was applying it to the latter, but it applies to both, unless you'd like to argue that sometimes is is bound by time and sometines He ain't. Which is simply nonsense.

Some people read that passage and see a day is like a thousand years but the verse also says a thousand years is like a day. This is alluding to God’s omnipresence not how long each day of creation took. Not to mention that the word Hos is used meaning “as” or “like” which is not present in the Genesis creation days.

I mean ... if one day is a thousand years, can one day be one second?

Yep. In any case, whether it has any bearing on your doctrine or not. God Isn't Bound By Time! At All! Ever! Whether Your Favorite Doctrine Requires Him To Be Or Not

Since academia can't cram their 14 billion years into 6 days

They didn't have to, God did.

, they use that passage to try and balloon 6 days into 14 billion years.

Take your choice. We say "God Can't", we say "God Did!

Then they have a cow when others won't accept their interpretation.

Probably because your interpretation is ridiculous.

 

[AV1611VET]

According to Scripture it was at the end of the "six days".

Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

It was at the beginning of the creation of mankind.

In other words, Adam & Eve were the first humans on Earth.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sure. Then "God Just Made It Look Old". God as pracical joker or con arttist? God just having a laugh at our expense?

Could have? Certainly. He's God. Your lot generally takes it to mean a "day" must either mean 24 hours or 1000 years, which is simply reading with brain disengaged. But the evidence of the Creation Itself (yeah, I know it Doesn't Count) looks a zillion years old. You have to explain that away, and generally do a really embarassing job when you try.

St. Peter was applying it to the latter, but it applies to both, unless you'd like to argue that sometimes is is bound by time and sometines He ain't. Which is simply nonsense.

Yep. In any case, whether it has any bearing on your doctrine or not. God Isn't Bound By Time! At All! Ever! Whether Your Favorite Doctrine Requires Him To Be Or Not

They didn't have to, God did.

Take your choice. We say "God Can't", we say "God Did!

Probably because your interpretation is ridiculous.

Fix your quote tags please.

You have me saying things someone else said.

 

[Jipsah]

Grape juice, down the hatch in one drink.
And a wafer eater as well.

Take, eat, this is some grape juice/a cracker. New Irrational Version. So much for Scriptural literalism. "But He can't have really meant that!"

If you use blood for the drink, what do you use for the wafer?

His Body. I leave Welchade and cookies as a little snackie for those who still can't handle that "hard saying".

 

[Jipsah]

Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

You hash it out with St. Mark. You're the literalist, not me.

It was at the beginning of the creation of mankind.

On the 6th day of six.

In other words, Adam & Eve were the first humans on Earth.

Boy, this just in...

 

[Jipsah]

Fix your quote tags please.
You have me saying things someone else said.

Sorry, the rubbish tends to look the same.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sure. Then "God Just Made It Look Old".

Nope.

It looks old because it is old.

Can God make a dress tomorrow, so old it falls apart with age?

 

[AV1611VET]

You hash it out with St. Mark. You're the literalist, not me.

I don't need to hash it out with St. Mark.

St. Mark isn't saying what you think he's saying.

On the 6th day of six.

Yup.

On the 6th day of six.

 

[Jipsah]

Hear what?

Something that Galilean Preacher said. Probably wasn't important. Pass the grape juice...

 

[Jipsah]

It looks old because it is old.

Too old for your porpoises.

Can God make a dress tomorrow, so old it falls apart with age?

Sure, if you envision God as the tricksty sort. I don't.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sorry, the rubbish tends to look the same.

I'd love to see you take this test I made up.

Sans sarcasm of course.

1. Explain the difference between creatio ex nihilo and creatio ex materia; and give two examples of each.
2. What was the first object in the universe that had mass?
3. Eden in the Bible is known as __________ on a secular map.
4. What literary device reconciles Genesis 1 and Genesis 2?
5. Put the following in order that they appeared in the universe: whales, stars, trees, sun, land, sea, outer space.
6. What day was Adam created on?
7. Was the universe created a closed system and, if not, what kind of energy did it run off of? if it was created open, what closed it?
8. Describe terra aqua and what kind of water it consisted of and why.
9. Photosynthesis required light from the sun prior to the Fall. true or false?
10. Explain how a 24-hour day could transpire before the sun was created.
11. Explain the difference between "miracles" and "magic."
12. When discussing Creationism, why should one never let himself stray from Genesis 1 or 2?
13. Why is "heaven" singular in Genesis 1, but plural in Genesis 2?

 

[AV1611VET]

Something that Galilean Preacher said.

What is His name?

Probably wasn't important.

Or it was.

We call it an "ordinance."

As opposed to a "sacrament."

Still important.

Pass the grape juice...

Is that the way it's conducted in your church?

"Pass the grape juice?"

Or is it sacred to you?

 

[AV1611VET]

Sure, if you envision God as the tricksty sort. I don't.

Would you envision Him as "tricksty" if He created a loaf of raisin bread ex materia?

You know?

Raisin bread?

Containing dried grapes?

 

[AV1611VET]

Too old for your porpoises.

Speaking of porpoises, can you answer this?

Why does Jonah call it a "great fish" ...

Jonah 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

... when Jesus calls it a "whale"?

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Everyone knows a fish isn't a whale ... right?