Jesus Did Not Baptize

[cfposter]

Thank you, and I like that.

There are passages, however, that indicate that Jesus baptized people before His death. Any ideas?

Water baptism is just a type of the true baptism. Remember, that Jesus spoke parables which was using earthly things attached to Spiritual Understanding. Water is a type of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, the disciples were submerging others into the Holy Spirit - The very Spirit that Jesus was a manifestation of. There are many types for the Spirit in God's work here.

Consider the flesh for example, It is also a type of the Spirit. I'm talking about physical Flesh and not the nature of the flesh. You are made from flesh and are a manifestation of your mother and father. In other words your comprised of their physical being. You will look like them and share their DNA. Likewise, The Father in Heaven imparts His Spirit and you emulate the Father as a Son. Your Spirit would then be exhibited like the Father's and His Son Jesus. So to be baptized into the Spirit is not about being baptized into the water but into the Spirit. The water baptism is not a requirement for receiving the Holy Spirit. It is merely a type or schoolmaster in this regard. God is Spirit and nothing earthly can be required in order to worship Him who is Heavenly.

 

[Clare73]

I just pointed out how it would be hard for me to have been baptized by Christ and thus why it might be hard for those in the first century to have been baptized by Christ and Jesus would have realized that.

See post #17.

 

[Chris35]

Probably has to do with this.

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Which couldn't be done until after Jesus's death.

7Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you

 

[Oneofhope]

I just pointed out how it would be hard for me to have been baptized by Christ and thus why it might be hard for those in the first century to have been baptized by Christ and Jesus would have realized that.

Nah. If you received the Baptism of John, he would have Prepared the Way for your heart to receive Christ when the time comes. You wouldn't have struggled being Baptized by Him any more than the new Disciples were willing to leave their nets, boats, fathers, and livelihoods behind to follow a man they had never met. Conversely, those who rejected John's Baptism . . . their hearts were not Spiritually Prepared by John.

 

[Oneofhope]

Water baptism is just a type of the true baptism. Remember, that Jesus spoke parables which was using earthly things attached to Spiritual Understanding. Water is a type of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, the disciples were submerging others into the Holy Spirit - The very Spirit that Jesus was a manifestation of. There are many types for the Spirit in God's work here.

Consider the flesh for example, It is also a type of the Spirit. I'm talking about physical Flesh and not the nature of the flesh. You are made from flesh and are a manifestation of your mother and father. In other words your comprised of their physical being. You will look like them and share their DNA. Likewise, The Father in Heaven imparts His Spirit and you emulate the Father as a Son. Your Spirit would then be exhibited like the Father's and His Son Jesus. So to be baptized into the Spirit is not about being baptized into the water but into the Spirit. The water baptism is not a requirement for receiving the Holy Spirit. It is merely a type or schoolmaster in this regard. God is Spirit and nothing earthly can be required in order to worship Him who is Heavenly.

All of physical creation is under the Curse of the Lord, except that which God has Redeemed. I find it interesting to see that so many believe that corrupt, physical water, is necessary to obtain that which is Pure, but only within the Spiritual Realm.

 

[Oneofhope]

Which couldn't be done until after Jesus's death.

Hmmm . . . there are plenty of people in the Old Testament, and many in the New Testament who were filled with the Holy Spirit before Christ had been Resurrected.

Mary, Elizabeth, John the Baptist (while in his mother's womb), Zechariah, and Simeon . . . to name a few.

People were led by the Holy Spirit long before Christ.

 

[Richard T]

Does anyone have any ideas as to why God would desire that we know that Jesus did not Baptize during the below event?

John 4:1-2 KJV - 1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

What is the lesson to be gained, here?

Romans 6 I think is about being baptized into Christ, which is different from water baptism. Does Romans 6:3-4 Teach Water Baptism?

I think the answer might be that Jesus could not baptize in his own name. By making others do it there always was a witness. Perhaps he could not bear witness about himself, or just seems weird to baptize someone in two roles? Like a preacher who is single marrying himself and his wife.

JOHN 5:31-35 31 “If I bear witness about Myself, My witness is not true. 32 There is another who bears witness about Me, and I know that the witness which He witnesses about Me is true. 33 You sent to John, and he has borne witness to the truth., Some on the web suggests it would give pride for those that got baptized by Jesus.

 

[Oneofhope]

Romans 6 I think is about being baptized into Christ, which is different from water baptism. Does Romans 6:3-4 Teach Water Baptism?

I think the answer might be that Jesus could not baptize in his own name. By making others do it there always was a witness. Perhaps he could not bear witness about himself, or just seems weird to baptize someone in two roles? Like a preacher who is single marrying himself and his wife.

JOHN 5:31-35 31 “If I bear witness about Myself, My witness is not true. 32 There is another who bears witness about Me, and I know that the witness which He witnesses about Me is true. 33 You sent to John, and he has borne witness to the truth., Some on the web suggests it would give pride for those that got baptized by Jesus.

I love all that you have offered! Thank you so much!

 

[Richard T]

Thanks,
As I more fully read that link I sent I do disagree with the latter thoughts of the author about baptism not being needed at all. Next time I will make sure I read the entire article. There are other mainstream Christians that think Rom 6 is the baptism into the body of Christ and not water so that part seems legit.

The original question was great, I am glad it was asked as I never thought about it before. When I was younger I did hear a sermon on the seven types of baptisms. Holy Spirit, Fire, Suffering, Water, In the body of Christ, and baptism of Moses, and baptism of Jesus.

 

[Oneofhope]

Thanks,
As I more fully read that link I sent I do disagree with the latter thoughts of the author about baptism not being needed at all. Next time I will make sure I read the entire article. There are other mainstream Christians that think Rom 6 is the baptism into the body of Christ and not water so that part seems legit.

The original question was great, I am glad it was asked as I never thought about it before. When I was younger I did hear a sermon on the seven types of baptisms. Holy Spirit, Fire, Suffering, Water, In the body of Christ, and baptism of Moses, and baptism of Jesus.

Thank you for your kind words!

No doubt, Baptism is a challenging topic indeed. Why they want to fight and be rude about it is perplexing.

What I know is this . . . When the Lord Spiritually Circumcises a person's heart, they [will] desire baptism just as much the Eunuch did after his conversation with Philip. But I also am confident of this, if I am stuck in the desert where there is no water, and I share the message of Christ to the degree that someone is willing to submit to the terms of the Covenant of Circumcision . . . they're saved, even though there isn't a drop of water to be found. I base these beliefs off of tens of thousands of hours of Bible study, but still . . . I would never say that my beliefs are guaranteed accurate. Dogmatism . . . others can have it.

The Spiritual world does not depend on the physical world to Spiritually make a person Right with God the Father.

Cheers!

 

[LoveofTruth]

Does anyone have any ideas as to why God would desire that we know that Jesus did not Baptize during the below event?

John 4:1-2 KJV - 1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

What is the lesson to be gained, here?

The Baptism Jesus cam to give is different than Johns water baptism. John himself and jesus tell us that

“I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.” (Mark 1:8 KJV)

and

“For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.” (Acts 1:5 KJV)

If it be understood,water baptism is not needed for any today. The baptism into Christ by the Spirit is the one saving baptism,1 Cor 12;13 Galatians 3:27, 1 Peter 3:21 etc. Then when we are in Christ he will baptize us with the Holy Ghost. The baptism with the Holy Ghost is not the saving baptism but to be baptized into Christ is. The water baptism of John was a shadow or type it was also under the old covenant . In the Old Covenant they had "many "diverse washings and carnal ordinances imposed upon them. We are not in or under the old covenant. It was even then fading away ready to vanishing. But when the hebrew writer wrote that it was fading away it had not fully faded yet. They had the diverse washings and carnal ordinances imposed on them( the jews) until the time of reformation. It was a transition from the Old to the New Covenant as we see all through Acts.

So for some to say today "we;\ll, if Peter did it in Acts 2 then we should also". Then I suppose since Peter was going to the Jewish temple and still keeping the law and customs we should also have done that. Which is not true.The Jewish believers jept the law and customs and halakah law and sacirsacrificed animals still and circumcised and all the details of the law.

The Jewish believers in Jesus, many of them, were still keeping the law zealously and the customs and Johns water baptism (Acts 10, 11 etc) They also were still going into the temple and doing animal sacrifices many many years after Christ death * even though they did not need to do them it was finished at the cross). We see this all through Acts and particularly in Acts 21.

the word "washings" in Hebrews 9 is baptismós in Greek

βαπτισμός baptismós, bap-tis-mos'; from G907; ablution (ceremonial or Christian):—baptism, washing.

consider,

“Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.” (Hebrews 9:10 KJV)

 

[Dan Perez]

Does anyone have any ideas as to why God would desire that we know that Jesus did not Baptize during the below event?

John 4:1-2 KJV - 1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

What is the lesson to be gained, here?

First , water baptism was ONLY given to ISRAEL in John 1:31 proves that water baptism ONLY given to Israel

Christ will a HIGH PRIEST after the ORDER OF OF MELCHISEDEC , Heb 5:5-10 .

So why was Christ by John , since Christ had nothing to repent of ? Read Gen 6:6-8 we see that Christ did REPENT .

All PRIEST always washed HANDS and FEET before entering the HOLY of HOLY .

There is more , but I have to go >

dan p

 

[ViaCrucis]

Without doing further digging and looking, my initial off the cuff feeling is to remember what Paul said to the Corinthians, the way they had broken themselves up into factions: of Paul, of Apollos, of Peter, of Christ.

I can imagine a hypothetical scenario where there could be some who, had they received a baptism directly from Jesus might make that a point of division.

Paul himself says that he is thankful that he personally baptized only a few, given the factionalism at Corinth.

It is not hard for me to speculate (and, admittedly, that is what I'm doing) that the Lord in His wisdom knew the potential dangers that could arise if He personally baptized, rather than the disciples. And we have, I'd argue, an example in the Corinthians of just why the Lord didn't.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

All of physical creation is under the Curse of the Lord, except that which God has Redeemed. I find it interesting to see that so many believe that corrupt, physical water, is necessary to obtain that which is Pure, but only within the Spiritual Realm.

Most Christians don't subscribe to Gnostic or Manichaean beliefs about the evil of the physical world. Which is why most Christians hold to the biblical view that God, as the Good Creator of the material universe, uses physical matter for His good. We confess that the Eternal Word and Son of God, Jesus Christ, took on flesh, became one of us, and by His life, death, and resurrection--by His shed blood and pierced flesh on a wooden cross-is our salvation, reconciliation, and peace with God. The forgiveness of our sins, and the hope and promise of eternal life and bodily resurrection when the Lord returns on the Last Day. And that God is going to keep His faithful promises to all creation, and make it new.

Which is why we believe, as the Lord Jesus told us, as the Apostles taught, and as the Scriptures clearly give witness, that through the Sacrament of Holy Baptism is real, not imaginary, grace. For God in His goodness, love, and mercy has chosen to work through visible and tangible means in order to bring us over to Himself, by giving us His Son, adopting us as children, and uniting us with Himself. The physical world is not evil, but the good creation of God; and the decay and curse of sin and death which are a tyrant over creation are defeated by Christ, who has conquered by His death and resurrection, and victory is assured and promised.

Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again. This is the Christian faith, as it was given to us in the beginning, and is still now. Accept no substitutes or counterfeits.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Dan Perez]

Does anyone have any ideas as to why God would desire that we know that Jesus did not Baptize during the below event?

John 4:1-2 KJV - 1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

What is the lesson to be gained, here?

We should know that Christ is that Christ is a Priest for ever after the order of MELCHISEDEC .

And in Eze 36 :25 reads , Then will I SPRINKLE // ZARAQ , a verb in the QAL , and means to make known , in the PERFECT

TENSE . , in the SLINGULAR .

CLEAN // TAOR , is in the PLURAL , meaning al of Israel , in the Hebrew , ABOSOLUTE , meaning for sure all will be clean .

WATER // MAYIN , also in the PLURAL and in the ABOSULUTE .

Remember all this will happen under the NEW COVENANT !!

Means Christ will cleanse Israel with WATER .

dan p

 

[LoveofTruth]

We should know that Christ is that Christ is a Priest for ever after the order of MELCHISEDEC .

And in Eze 36 :25 reads , Then will I SPRINKLE // ZARAQ , a verb in the QAL , and means to make known , in the PERFECT

TENSE . , in the SLINGULAR .

CLEAN // TAOR , is in the PLURAL , meaning al of Israel , in the Hebrew , ABOSOLUTE , meaning for sure all will be clean .

WATER // MAYIN , also in the PLURAL and in the ABOSULUTE .

Remember all this will happen under the NEW COVENANT !!

Means Christ will cleanse Israel with WATER .

dan p

Pure water is not speaking of actual water but a spiritual cleansing inward. Clean by the word and the Spirit fills us and flows from believers as a fountain of water from within.

Also the one baptism is this one that ALL believers have,

1 Corinthians 12: 13. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.”

Galatians 3: 27. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.”

Into Christ and put on Christ not into water and put on water.

The physical water and other carnal ordinances were past with the old covenant. Johns water baptism would be part of that old covenant also. The early Jesus believers were still following the law and customs of the Jews and Johns water baptism for a time.

But consider,


Acts 1: 5. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.”

Hebrews 9: 10. Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.”

The word washings there is baptismos in Greek

from 907; ablution (ceremonial or Christian):--baptism, washing