Of course you know about the religious right...

[DaisyDay]

Does this apply to anyone who disagrees with any teaching of the church in any way? Seems like the pews are going to be pretty empty if 100% unquestioning acceptance is the litmus test.

You're in cult territory there.

 

[ralliann]

I call it baloney because I'm familiar with the claptrap having heard the whole spiel before.

This person identifies as being fat. Should we who do not have body dysphoria identify as cis bodied?

 

[RileyG]

It's literally determining if a believer is really a believer by verifying the correctness of their political viewpoint on one specific subject.

It wasn't a political viewpoint. From their religious viewpoint, SSM does not exist.

 

[RileyG]

I agree. Bigots frequently exhibit exemplary faith.

In any case if legislatures are able to pass religious laws the state is not secular - by definition. I have observed the hankering after a theocracy by posters here on CF.

Be careful, calling people bigots is not allowed here.

 

[RileyG]

A man wearing a dress that wants to be around children should be a red flag.

exactly!

 

[BCP1928]

exactly!

Is pedophilia more common in transvestites than in the general population?

 

[The Barbarian]

The institution itself.

Well, it certainly started out that way. God did make man and woman for each other.

However, marriage is legally, in most modern societies, a contract, unrelated to religious considerations.

As I mentioned earlier, government has no business in the issue of religious marriage. It does have an interest in property, legal next of kin, children, and so on. It has no business imposing or prohibiting religious standards for marriage.

 

[The Barbarian]

A man wearing a dress that wants to be around children should be a red flag.

Well, that would be a testable assumption. What percentage of drag queens have been caught molesting kids, as opposed to the percentage of religious leaders caught molesting kids?

Would a minister who wanted to work with kids be a red flag? Maybe so, just on the probabilities.

 

[The Barbarian]

Is pedophilia more common in transvestites than in the general population?

That's really the important question. (Barbarian checks)
I don't see any data on that in a first look. Moving on to the technical literature...

Less than 5% of pedophiles have some other paraphilia:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0306624x03258477

Which would suggest that it's much less common in transvestites and transgendered people.

 

[BPPLEE]

Well, that would be a testable assumption. What percentage of drag queens have been caught molesting kids, as opposed to the percentage of religious leaders caught molesting kids?

Would a minister who wanted to work with kids be a red flag? Maybe so, just on the probabilities.

If his actions were suspicious, like having Bible studies in the hot tub, (an actual case) and spending too much time one on one with certain kids yes,

 

[Bradskii]

Yes, you can absolutely call them not faithful if they are going against the doctrines of their faith. To be faithful means you support the doctrines and teachings of your faith.

And if you are a member of the Greek Orthodox Church and support SSM, you are not faithful to the Church and it's teaching. Because the Greek Church still calls homosexuality a sin and does not support SSM.

Greece becomes first Orthodox Christian country to legalise same-sex marriage

Greece's parliament has approved a bill allowing same-sex couples the right to wed and adopt children after decades of campaigning by the LGBT community for marriage equality in the socially conservative country.

www.abc.net.au

It's somewhat naive to think that every Catholic is in lock step with every position that the church holds. People aren't sheep. If they have a moral problem then they don't check up and then say to themselves 'Ah, so that's what I should think.' If you're an adherent to dogma then so be it. But most people accept that their church is a guide and not a rule book. And even though they do their very best to conform to the teachings, in real life some faithful often reach a conclusion that in practical matters what they are taught and what their experience is in lived situations doesn't match.

They see couples who have been in loving relationships for many years. And they see that the sky hasn't fallen because of it. That there are no practical reasons for denying it. Except that God apparently doesn't want it. So what do the faithful do? They ask God for guidance.

How they then reach the conclusions they do is something you'll have to ask each of them. You can discuss what you think as regards their lack of faith while you're at it.

 

[The Barbarian]

If his actions were suspicious, like having Bible studies in the hot tub, (an actual case) and spending too much time one on one with certain kids yes,

So you'd apply the same criteria to a transvestite, given that they seem to have a much lower incidence of pedophilia than ministers?

 

[BPPLEE]

So you'd apply the same criteria to a transvestite, given that they seem to have a much lower incidence of pedophilia than ministers?

I doubt that there have been sufficient studies to make such a judgement and I would err on the side of caution.
It’s fine for men to dress as women if they choose but there is no need to pass the behavior onto children.
If parents choose to expose their children to such things that’s their right but it’s not something that I would endorse
And I recommend being cautious with anyone allowed to be around children.

 

[BPPLEE]

It's somewhat naive to think that every Catholic is in lock step with every position that the church holds. People aren't sheep. If they have a moral problem then they don't check up and then say to themselves 'Ah, so that's what I should think.' If you're an adherent to dogma then so be it. But most people accept that their church is a guide and not a rule book. And even though they do their very best to conform to the teachings, in real life some faithful often reach a conclusion that in practical matters what they are taught and what their experience is in lived situations doesn't match.

They see couples who have been in loving relationships for many years. And they see that the sky hasn't fallen because of it. That there are no practical reasons for denying it. Except that God apparently doesn't want it. So what do the faithful do? They ask God for guidance.

How they then reach the conclusions they do is something you'll have to ask each of them. You can discuss what you think as regards their lack of faith while you're at it.

Is that your expert opinion?

 

[Bradskii]

Is that your expert opinion?

After a couple of decades discussing matters like this with countless Catholics on many forums, three specifically dealing with Catholicism? If by 'expert' you mean 'very knowledgeable' then yeah. It is.

 

[The Barbarian]

I doubt that there have been sufficient studies to make such a judgement and I would err on the side of caution.

So you'd hold a minister to a higher standard, given their record of pedophilia?
I merely noted that what evidence exists, suggests that transvestites are much less likely than ministers to be pedophiles.

Less than 5% of pedophiles have some other paraphilia:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0306624x03258477

On reflection, it might also mean that ministers have very high rates of other paraphilia. Which we might want to check before we held them to a stricter standard than transvestites.

But are you really willing to risk kids by assuming so?

 

[The Barbarian]

I doubt that there have been sufficient studies to make such a judgement and I would err on the side of caution.
It’s fine for men to dress as women if they choose but there is no need to pass the behavior onto children.

I'm intrigued why you think transvestites are interested in making the rest of us into transvestites. What is your evidence for that?

 

[BPPLEE]

After a couple of decades discussing matters like this with countless Catholics on many forums, three specifically dealing with Catholicism? If by 'expert' you mean 'very knowledgeable' then yeah. It is.

I’m not Catholic so I don’t know

 

[BPPLEE]

So you'd hold a minister to a higher standard, given their record of pedophilia?
I merely noted that what evidence exists, suggests that transvestites are much less likely than ministers to be pedophiles.

Less than 5% of pedophiles have some other paraphilia:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0306624x03258477

On reflection, it might also mean that ministers have very high rates of other paraphilia. Which we might want to check before we held them to a stricter standard than transvestites.

But are you really willing to risk kids by assuming so?

Not all people who molest children are pedophiles. Pedophiles are only interested in those who haven’t reached puberty.
So your statistics don’t really mean much

 

[BPPLEE]

I'm intrigued why you think transvestites are interested in making the rest of us into transvestites. What is your evidence for that?

What is your evidence that they don’t want to influence children?