Three Questions about God's Law

[One God and Father of All]

Jesus.

Pro 28:13 He who covers his sins will not prosper,
But whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy.

Through Jesus we can obey His commandments John 14:15-18 if we slip and fall we have Jesus who is our Advocate and High Priest and instead of brining an animal for the sacrifice of sins we can go directly to Him, who paid the penalty with His blood. When He heals He says go and sin no more. Our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21.

Ok, so Jesus gives us commandments to obey knowing that we cannot fully live up to them and is there for us when we don’t. If we could fully live up to them then Jesus would be unnecessary as someone there to forgive. So, the one who gives the commandments is the one who forgives if we break them. God didn’t forgive when they were broken, but Jesus does.
By the simple fact that there is forgiveness shows that none of us can kept the commandments. There is no need for a Forgiver if the commandments can be fully obeyed. It would be a matter of do it or die. As was the case of God’s law.
Jesus commandments are therefore something to strive for and not something we must obey or else.

 

[oikonomia]

Sin is not based on who we are, but upon the eternal nature of who God is.

This is not completely right. The Sin nature makes us who we are as sinners.
God's creation was damaged by the injection of a sin nature into man.

For example, righteousness is in accordance with God's nature, while unrighteousness is sin that is contrary to God's nature.

That is good. So our hope is to be partakers of God's nature which is the promise of the new covenant.
Through which He has granted to us precious and exceedingly great promises that through these you might become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption which is in the world by lust. (2 Pet. 1:4)

The Bible often uses the same terms to describe aspects of the nature of God as it does to describe aspects of the nature of God's law, such as with it being holy, righteous, and good, which is because it is God's instructions for how to act in accordance with those aspects of His nature.

The law is holy, righteous, good, and spiritual.
But the fallen human being Jew or Gentile is sold under the nature of sin.

So then the law is holy, and the commandment holy and righteous and good.
Did then that which is good become death to me? Absolutely not!
But sin did, that it might be shown to be sin by working out death in me through that which is good, that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful.

For we know that the law is spiritual; but I am fleshy, sold under sin. (Rom. 7:12-14)

Part of the solution the apostle submits is that under the new covenant we are DISCHARGED from the law. Sorry,
And that is "PART" of the solution not the entire solution.

But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that in which we were held, so that we serve in newness of spirit and not in oldness of letter. (Rom. 7:6)

The other PART is that we live by the divine nature escaping the downward decline of the whole world.
He has granted to us precious and exceedingly great promises that through these you might become partakers of the divine nature,
(2 Pet. 1:4)

Expressed in other words, the other effective PART of the solution to this sin nature is to let the
SEED of the divine life which is God's life dispensed into us in Christ - GROW. This SEED of Christ by nature cannot sin.
Everyone who has been begotten of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been begotten of God. (1 John 3:9)

This promise of Christ as life dispensed into the believers for overcoming is all over the New Testament everywhere.

The EVERYTHING that is begotten of God is the regenerated human spirit.
And by faith living in its influence we overcome the world as Christians.
For everything that has been begotten of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory which has overcome the world — our faith.
And who is he who overcomes the world except him who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? (1 John 5:4,5)

This promise of the Apostle John totally agrees with Paul's petition that the Father stengthen us into the inner man
so Christ can permeate into our hearts as His home.
That He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power through His Spirit into the inner man,
That Christ may make His home in your hearts through faith, (Eph. 3:16,17a)

Do you know your human spirit? Are you in touch with your inner man?
It is there that the grace of Christ and Christ Himself is with us believers.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit, brothers. Amen. (Gal. 6:18)

The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. (Phil. 4:23)

The Lord be with your spirit. Grace be with you. (2 Tim. 4:22)

But by the grace of God I am what I am; and His grace unto me did not turn out to be in vain, but, on the contrary, I labored more abundantly than all of them, yet not I but the grace of God which is with me. (1 Cor. 15:10)

For example, our good works in obedience to God's law testify about God's goodness, which is why our good works bring glory to Him (Matthew 5:16), and by testifying about God's goodness we are also knowing, loving, worshiping, and believing in God's goodness. So again, those instructions are available for anyone who wants to do those things.

We Christians must learn to discern our spirit from our soul. And we must exercise our spirit through
prayer, praise, calling on the name of the Lord, and reading prayerfully the word of God.
This is to get in touch with the living Christ Who has been dispensed into our necleus, our kernel spiritual being.

We must serve the Lord in our spirit like Paul.
For God is my witness, whom I serve in my spirit in the gospel of His Son, how unceasingly I make mention of you always in my prayers, IRom. 1:9)

We must walk in atmosphere of praying as freely as breathing. This is setting the mind on the reborn spirit where the Spirit of Christ is.
For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the spirit is life and peace. (Rom. 8:6)

Some Christians may mistakenly assume that the mind on the flesh is only a sin doing mind.
No it can also be a fleshly law keeping mind. Paul says any kind of mind set on the flesh (good or bad) cannot please God.

Because the mind set on the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, for neither can it be.
And those who are in the flesh cannot please God. (Rom. 8:7,8)

We believers MUST learn to exercise our spirit where the Spirit Who is the Triune God is "one spirit" with us.
But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit. (1 Cor. 6:17)

The best way to learn to exercise our Christ joined human spirit is through prayer or calling "Lord Jesus. O Lord Jesus!" or
calling in love "Abba Father! Abba Father!"

The best way to learn to exercise our spirit where the Spirit of Jesus is is through taking in the word of God
by means of all prayer. Praying over the Scripture.

To learn to touch the Spirit in our spirit requires that we turn our heart to the Lord Jesus.
Turn AWAY from law keeping and set the mind on the mingled spirit.
Turn to the mingled spirit using your MOUTH to call, to praise Him, to cry out "O Lord Jesus. O Lord Jesus. O Lord Jesus."
He is RICH to all who call upon Him.

We hardly need more proof texts. We need to practice calling and turning to the Lord in our inner man.
Eventually we can get into His presence faster. Eventually just a turn of the thought to Him brings up grace in our hearts.

The empowering GRACE of the Lord is with our spirit.
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. (Philemon 25)
You therefore, my child, be empowered in the grace which is in Christ Jesus; (2 Tim. 2:1)

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Ok, so Jesus gives us commandments to obey knowing that we cannot fully live up to them and is there for us when we don’t. If we could fully live up to them then Jesus would be unnecessary as someone there to forgive. So, the one who gives the commandments is the one who forgives if we break them. God didn’t forgive when they were broken, but Jesus does.
By the simple fact that there is forgiveness shows that none of us can kept the commandments. There is no need for a Forgiver if the commandments can be fully obeyed. It would be a matter of do it or die. As was the case of God’s law.
Jesus commandments are therefore something to strive for and not something we must obey or else.

Sorry, I don't see these words in the scriptures. Jesus wouldn't give us commandments to obey that we will be judged by James 2:10-12 Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 22:14-15 without giving us the power to obey them. John 14:15-18 Heb 8:10

What essentially you are saying is that the devil has more power to keep us in sin than Jesus does to keep us from sin. I believe in the promises of the bible that through Christ all things are possible Phil 4:13 including gaining victory over sin. Scripture tells us He has a people who does overcome Rev 14:12 do we believe our God is bigger than our devil? I do.

Need to run, but appreciate the chat and God bless.

 

[oikonomia]

"Have you found your human spirit?
Its connected to your mouth.
Hallelujah, O Lord Jesus!
That the way to let Him out.

What is born of God is just our spirit.
Praise God the job has been done.
What is born of Spirit is just our spirit.
And the two spirits are one.

Don't wait for an inspiration.
That's the subtle enemy.
Open up your mouth release your spirit.
Testifying you are free.

What is born of God is just our spirit.
Praise God the job has been done.
What is born of Spirit is just our spirit.
And the two spirits are one."

Copied by memory from a song we learned to sing in the local churches.

 

[Gary K]

"Have you found your human spirit?
Its connected to your mouth.
Hallelujah, O Lord Jesus!
That the way to let Him out.

What is born of God is just our spirit.
Praise God the job has been done.
What is born of Spirit is just our spirit.
And the two spirits are one.

Don't wait for an inspiration.
That's the subtle enemy.
Open up your mouth release your spirit.
Testifying you are free.

What is born of God is just our spirit.
Praise God the job has been done.
What is born of Spirit is just our spirit.
And the two spirits are one."

Copied by memory from a song we learned to sing in the local churches.

How does that coincide with Peter's comment?

1Peter 1: 3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

 

[BobRyan]

This is not correct. E.g., There are countless ways to


Amen.

[Jhn 19:31 KJV] 31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and [that] they might be taken away.

Peace and Blessings

I don't understand your point.

Are you saying that someone can commit adultery while not taking God's name in vain?

If so - I agree but that does not make either taking God's name in vain or adultery "ok" for Christians. We probably agree on that point.

 

[BobRyan]

Ok, so Jesus gives us commandments to obey knowing that we cannot fully live up to them and is there for us when we don’t. If we could fully live up to them then Jesus would be unnecessary

All have sinned Rom 3:23 - so all need the Gospel.

Yet it is only the lost "who do not and can not submit to the law of God" Rom 8:4-10

 

[BobRyan]

Yes. The heaven and the earth (metaphor) first covenant Jewish religious system with its temple and animal sacrifices passed away in that same generation just as Jesus prophesied. The first covenant was fulfilled by Jesus' sacrificial death on the cross. Jesus ratified His new covenant by His sacrificial death on the cross.

Jesus Christ fulfilled/ended/finished the Law of Moses.

Jesus condemned the idea that the Law of Moses is deleted by God --- who gave it.

Mark 7:7-13
7 And in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘The one who speaks evil of father or mother, is certainly to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a person says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is, given to God),’ 12 you no longer allow him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thereby invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law, so now there is righteousness for everyone who believes. (MOUNCE Version)

"End" as in "goal and purpose" of the law

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD"
1 John 5:3 'this IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His Commandments"
Rev 14:12 the "saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"


Where "Honor your father and mother is the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2

 

[bbbbbbb]

Hi there.

If you read the scripture carefully Jesus said until ALL is fulfilled, He did not say until some things are fulfilled.

Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

And in breaking God's law that He said not one jot or tittle will pass in breaking and teaching others to break the least of these commandments one will be least in heaven, so it has some consequences. Mat 5:19 I do not think least in heaven means one will be there if we read the very next verse. Mat 5:20

Jesus promises no more sin and no more tears so until that happens not one jot or tittle from the law will pass.

Do you think one jot or tittle of the law means only ten of the multitude of commandments given by God to His people, Israel, through Moses?

 

[bbbbbbb]

Do you think someone who has faith in Jesus would follow His teachings and do them, or not follow and do what they want instead?

Consider an example. Jesus did not utter a single word regarding slavery. Do you think someone who has faith in Jesus would engage in the trafficking of human beings?

 

[bbbbbbb]

Jesus condemned the idea that the Law of Moses is deleted by God --- who gave it.

Mark 7:7-13
7 And in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘The one who speaks evil of father or mother, is certainly to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a person says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is, given to God),’ 12 you no longer allow him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thereby invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

"End" as in "goal and purpose" of the law

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD"
1 John 5:3 'this IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His Commandments"
Rev 14:12 the "saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"


Where "Honor your father and mother is the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2

Nevertheless, God did delete circumcision and all of the Temple ordinances. This is easily understood by their context. He had given these commandments to His people, Israel, through His servant, Moses, and not to humanity in general. The Law is God's exclusive gift to His people and He determined to delete the Law, replacing it with the New Covenant, which is further defined in the letter to the Hebrews.

 

[TPop]

Hi there.

If you read the scripture carefully Jesus said until ALL is fulfilled, He did not say until some things are fulfilled.

Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

And in breaking God's law that He said not one jot or tittle will pass in breaking and teaching others to break the least of these commandments one will be least in heaven, so it has some consequences. Mat 5:19 I do not think least in heaven means one will be there if we read the very next verse. Mat 5:20

Jesus promises no more sin and no more tears so until that happens not one jot or tittle from the law will pass.

Hello, my quoting and replying was broken and confused yesterday, twice.
Could not get stuff to delete or to not post. Gah!

Anyways.

[Jhn 19:30 KJV] 30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

There was a time before all things were accomplished.
Then we came upon the time when all things were accomplished.
Jesus completed His work, died, buried, arose, and ascended.

Peace and Blessings

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Hello, my quoting and replying was broken and confused yesterday, twice.
Could not get stuff to delete or to no pos. Gah!

That happens to us all!

[Jhn 19:30 KJV] 30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

There was a time before all things were accomplished.
Then we came upon the time when all things were accomplished.
Jesus completed His work, died, buried, arose, and ascended.

Peace and Blessings

Yes, but that still doesn't address what Jesus said.

Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Jesus promises no more sin, no more tears ,Revelation 21:4 which is a prophecy unfilled along with many others. The scripture never says until He goes to the Cross, now you can worship other gods, vain My name, murder and covet etc. He said plainly until ALL is fulfilled not a jot or title can pass from the law. The fulfillment of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ has not happened.

Therefore:

Matthew 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[TPop]

Least in heaven (lost) is punishment. Mat 5:19

Which is why we will all be judged by the Ten Commandments, regardless if one accepts it or not. Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:18-30 Rev 22:14-15

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

Christians will be judged by the Ten Commandments? No. The law is used to judge the unbelievers, that have no Messiah.
Christians will be judged for the breaking of any Laws? No.

What is Jesus for? What power the Adoption into the family, what power the Pardon provided by the Blood of the Lam? Why would God judge us if we are by His blood made righteous in His Name?

Christians will be judged at the Judgement Seat of Christ, for their works/service whether they were of God or Self when they did things in the name of Jesus. Gold, Silver, Precious stones; or Wood, Hay, Stubble. It is Not a question of salvation.

[Rom 14:11-12 KJV] 11 For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Not an account of our sins which have been paid for and forgotten and not seen by God. But our actions 'for' Christ. And rewards are given. It is about gain, not loss. Other than unrealized Loss of what could have been ours if we did more work truly for Jesus and not ourselves.

Unbelievers will be judged at the Great White Throne, found lacking, and...

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[Rev 22:14-15 KJV] 14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

This is about Jesus' love for us. His love compels us to keep His commandments. We do so out of love. But we are also flesh. It is Jesus, through saving faith, that allows us to have the right to the tree of life. Not our law-abiding nature, which we do not fully possess.

Guilty. Yes. That is why we need Jesus. Everyone needs Jesus. Those who do not have Jesus/Salvation will have their names blotted out of the Book of Life.

It is clear that you are afraid of being judged for your sins. I would be too if not for Jesus. Because I would be dead a bazillion times over. But I have Jesus. That intercesses for me 100% successfully with the Father against my law breaking.

Peace and Blessings

But for some reason you appear to not fully understand what Faith in Jesus brings you. You will not be judged for your sins. And that does not give us liberty to sin. It is the opposite. We sin less and less as we mature.

But with your way of thinking you can never not sin enough. You are always subjected to death because you broke a law here, there, everywhere, just like every other Christian ever did. Else David, Moses, and many more would never be in Heaven this very moment.

Peace and Blessings

 

[TPop]

The only ones who are not "under the law" are those who are sinless and righteous as they would be keeping it.

Do you not trust Jesus for your salvation? It does not appear so.
Your righteousness comes from keeping the law. You are as the Jew.

We must be righteous with the Righteousness of God to enter heaven. No more, no less.
[Mat 5:48 KJV] 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

The only righteousness that mattes is God's. We can attain no righteousness on our own, nor can we add to the righteousness required to enter Heaven. That is 100% solely the worth of Jesus.
[2Co 5:21 KJV] 21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

It is clear, there are some here, whose salvation is continually dependent upon their continuing perfect obeying of the OT Laws.

For myself and others, our salvation is entirely dependent upon what Jesus has already completed.

Peace and Blessings

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Christians will be judged by the Ten Commandments? No. The law is used to judge the unbelievers, that have no Messiah.
Christians will be judged for the breaking of any Laws? No.

What is Jesus for? What power the Adoption into the family, what power the Pardon provided by the Blood of the Lam? Why would God judge us if we are by His blood made righteous in His Name?

Christians will be judged at the Judgement Seat of Christ, for their works/service whether they were of God or Self when they did things in the name of Jesus. Gold, Silver, Precious stones; or Wood, Hay, Stubble. It is Not a question of salvation.

[Rom 14:11-12 KJV] 11 For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Not an account of our sins which have been paid for and forgotten and not seen by God. But our actions 'for' Christ. And rewards are given. It is about gain, not loss. Other than unrealized Loss of what could have been ours if we did more work truly for Jesus and not ourselves.

Unbelievers will be judged at the Great White Throne, found lacking, and...

---

[Rev 22:14-15 KJV] 14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

This is about Jesus' love for us. His love compels us to keep His commandments. We do so out of love. But we are also flesh. It is Jesus, through saving faith, that allows us to have the right to the tree of life. Not our law-abiding nature, which we do not fully possess.

Guilty. Yes. That is why we need Jesus. Everyone needs Jesus. Those who do not have Jesus/Salvation will have their names blotted out of the Book of Life.

It is clear that you are afraid of being judged for your sins. I would be too if not for Jesus. Because I would be dead a bazillion times over. But I have Jesus. That intercesses for me 100% successfully with the Father against my law breaking.

Peace and Blessings

But for some reason you appear to not fully understand what Faith in Jesus brings you. You will not be judged for your sins. And that does not give us liberty to sin. It is the opposite. We sin less and less as we mature.

But with your way of thinking you can never not sin enough. You are always subjected to death because you broke a law here, there, everywhere, just like every other Christian ever did. Else David, Moses, and many more would never be in Heaven this very moment.

Peace and Blessings

Let’s read the scriptures again….

This scripture says nothing about the law is only for unbelievers. Like believers can vain His holy name, covet and murder but unbelievers can’t.

It’s anyone who does these things..

James 2:8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,”you do well; 9 but if you [e]show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

Matthew 5:19 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.2 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty

Jesus in His own words tells us it more than just believing

Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ (believers) shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

 

[TPop]

That happens to us all!

Yes, but that still doesn't address what Jesus said.

Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Jesus promises no more sin, no more tears ,Revelation 21:4 which is a prophecy unfilled along with many others. The scripture never says until He goes to the Cross, now you can worship other gods, vain My name, murder and covet etc. He said plainly until ALL is fulfilled not a jot or title can pass from the law. The fulfillment of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ has not happened.

Therefore:

Matthew 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

What is All?

Regardless, Jesus fulfilled it All. The whole story is about being separated from God by sin, that we keep doing, and Jesus rejoining us to Him. He did it. It is done. He completed it. To say otherwise is to say that Jesus left things incomplete. That there is still more salvational work He must do.

Please tell us what work still remains to be completed by Jesus towards Salvation?

Peace and Blessings.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Do you not trust Jesus for your salvation? It does not appear so.
Your righteousness comes from keeping the law. You are as the Jew.

We must be righteous with the Righteousness of God to enter heaven. No more, no less.
[Mat 5:48 KJV] 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

The only righteousness that mattes is God's. We can attain no righteousness on our own, nor can we add to the righteousness required to enter Heaven. That is 100% solely the worth of Jesus.
[2Co 5:21 KJV] 21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

It is clear, there are some here, whose salvation is continually dependent upon their continuing perfect obeying of the OT Laws.

For myself and others, our salvation is entirely dependent upon what Jesus has already completed.

Peace and Blessings

So I don’t trust Jesus for my salvation because I trust His teachings and do them. This is what scripture says when we hear His Word but don’t do them. James 1:22 Sounds like a doctrine similar to what was told to Eve in the Garden that she can disobey God and live, the opposite of what God said.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

What is All?

Regardless, Jesus fulfilled it All. The whole story is about being separated from God by sin, that we keep doing, and Jesus rejoining us to Him. He did it. It is done. He completed it. To say otherwise is to say that Jesus left things incomplete. That there is still more salvational work He must do.

Please tell us what work still remains to be completed by Jesus towards Salvation?

Peace and Blessings.

Okay, your feee will, Jesus says otherwise, thats where my faith is, in His every Word Mat 4:4. Jesus said If you love Me, keep My commandments and not to break the least of them. All gets sorted out soon enough.

 

[TPop]

Let’s read the scriptures again….

This scripture says nothing about the law is only for unbelievers. Like believers can vain His holy name, covet and murder but unbelievers can’t.

It’s anyone who does these things..

James 2:8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,”you do well; 9 but if you [e]show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

Matthew 5:19 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus in His own words tells us it more than just believing

Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ (believers) shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

James 2 is a comparative. Saying. Dont treat the rich man well because he is rich. Treat him well because that is good for you. Same with the Poor man. Dont treat him poorly because he is poor. Treat him well because it is good for you. To treat people good or poorly based upon their status is wrong. It's about the Poor man being just as much a neighbor as the rich man.

Read commentaries about these books and verses. It will assist you in better understanding what the context is. The context is not the 'law'. The context is to love your neighbor regardless of status and such.

Matthew 5. Is about poverty of spirit and believers to be the light.
It is not about OT still applying. It is about the OT being fulfilled in Jesus.

• Jesus fulfilled the doctrinal teachings of the Law and the Prophets in that He brought full revelation.
• Jesus fulfilled the predictive prophecy of the Law and the Prophets in that He is the Promised One, showing the reality behind the shadows.
• Jesus fulfilled the moral and legal demands of the Law and the Prophets in that He fully obeyed them and He reinterpreted them in their truth.
• Jesus fulfilled the penalty of the Law and the Prophets for us by His death on the cross, taking the penalty we deserved.

[Rom 10:3-5 KJV] 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

Mat 7 is again. Not about the 'law'. You are so focused on the law. And we are telling you that is no longer the focus. We are not jews.

Read the verses before and after. Read the commentaries. I recommend Blue Letter Bible and David Guizak as he often quotes Spurgeon and many others.


[Mat 7:18-23 KJV] 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Believers will be in Heaven because of His work. Those that do Works, and then apply them to Jesus, Saying I did this in Jesus name, but do not accept His Grace and Salvational plan will not enter.

Single verses rarely provide encompassing wisdom on one single topic.

Peace and Blessings.