Three Questions about God's Law

[Gary K]

The irony with your assertion is that unless your teaching is given to new Christians, they do not naturally start ceasing from working on Saturdays. In fact, without written or oral teachings converts to Christianity from other religions usually carry along a lot of cultural baggage that, while not anti-Christian, is not specified in the Bible. This was a problem in the early church. An example would be polygamy. Although polygamy is not forbidden in the Law and, indeed, was practiced by the kings of Israel and Judah, it did conflict with implied teachings of the Law. Thus, it was decided at some point that polygamy could be practiced by Christians, but polygamous men could not take on the office of overseer (elder).

What does that have to do with our sinful flesh and what God can do in us through writing His law in our hearts?

 

[Jan001]

The irony with your assertion is that unless your teaching is given to new Christians, they do not naturally start ceasing from working on Saturdays. In fact, without written or oral teachings converts to Christianity from other religions usually carry along a lot of cultural baggage that, while not anti-Christian, is not specified in the Bible. This was a problem in the early church. An example would be polygamy. Although polygamy is not forbidden in the Law and, indeed, was practiced by the kings of Israel and Judah, it did conflict with implied teachings of the Law. Thus, it was decided at some point that polygamy could be practiced by Christians, but polygamous men could not take on the office of overseer (elder).

The men who lived before the first covenant and the men who lived under the first covenant satisfied their lustful hearts and/or the idiotic requests of their non-conceiving wives by taking multiple wives and concubines. This practice was not from God. This ungodly practice caused many problems, some of which we are still suffering from today.

Concerning multiple wives, Jesus taught the following:

Matthew 19:8 He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.

Matthew 19:4-6 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

Luke 16:18 “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery.

1 Corinthians 7:2 Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband.

Romans 13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

 

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What does that have to do with our sinful flesh and what God can do in us through writing His law in our hearts?

My point was that if the Law is now written on the hearts of Christians it does not evidence itself in automatic obedience to it. There are numerous commandments in the Law which are now quite impossible to obey, such as all of the commandments regarding Temple sacrifices. Even the writer of Hebrews goes to great lengths to explain why these commandments are now quite irrelevant.

Thus, it should come as no surprise to anyone that obedience to other unmentioned commandments, such as the host of Sabbath ordinances, is also quite irrelevant.

The only reasonable understanding of this quotation would be in a very generic sense that God has transformed the heart of stone into a heart of flesh, infusing it with love for Him and love for our neighbors.

 

[Jan001]

This is a manipulative allusion.

He actually said "until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished."

The Mosaic Law' purpose was to be a guardian for Israel till Christ:

"Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law...
So the law was our guardian until Christ came...
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."
Gal 3:23-25

Yes. The heaven and the earth (metaphor) first covenant Jewish religious system with its temple and animal sacrifices passed away in that same generation just as Jesus prophesied. The first covenant was fulfilled by Jesus' sacrificial death on the cross. Jesus ratified His new covenant by His sacrificial death on the cross.

Jesus Christ fulfilled/ended/finished the Law of Moses.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law, so now there is righteousness for everyone who believes. (MOUNCE Version)

Mark 13:29-31 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that it is near—at the doors! 30 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

The heaven and earth (temple and animal sacrifices) of the Jews passed away in this generation (in AD 70) but Jesus' words are still with us even now 2000 years later.

 

[Canuckster]

Acts 15:24-29 Since we have heard that some persons from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your minds,

Your translation omits: "saying, 'You must be circumcised and keep the law,'”

For some strange reason many translations leave out that most important part of verse 24. It's solid evidence that the decree was about informing the Gentile churches that they didn't have to "be circumcised and keep the law,". The Law that it's referring to was the law of Moses as stated by the Pharisee sect in verse 5 which includes the 7th day Sabbath. This case was settled almost 2,000 years ago.

 

[One God and Father of All]

Yes. The heaven and the earth (metaphor) first covenant Jewish religious system with its temple and animal sacrifices passed away in that same generation just as Jesus prophesied. The first covenant was fulfilled by Jesus' sacrificial death on the cross. Jesus ratified His new covenant by His sacrificial death on the cross.

Jesus Christ fulfilled/ended/finished the Law of Moses.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law, so now there is righteousness for everyone who believes. (MOUNCE Version)

Mark 13:29-31 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that it is near—at the doors! 30 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

The heaven and earth (temple and animal sacrifices) of the Jews passed away in this generation (in AD 70) but Jesus' words are still with us even now 2000 years later.

I must say it’s refreshing to know that some are aware that the words “heaven and earth” are sometimes put to describe the people and system of government they are under. Just as the word “world“ is.
The “world” refers to a certain age in which the ”heaven and earth” (system) will pass away.
Those who don’t understand this say that the “world” will be burnt up by fire. However, what is being burned, is the elements of the system of government. IOW, the structure and law of government (elements) is done away with.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

[Jhn 19:31 KJV] 31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and [that] they might be taken away.

Peace and Blessings

Hi there.

If you read the scripture carefully Jesus said until ALL is fulfilled, He did not say until some things are fulfilled.

Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

And in breaking God's law that He said not one jot or tittle will pass in breaking and teaching others to break the least of these commandments one will be least in heaven, so it has some consequences. Mat 5:19 I do not think least in heaven means one will be there if we read the very next verse. Mat 5:20

Jesus promises no more sin and no more tears so until that happens not one jot or tittle from the law will pass.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

What do you think the following Scripture passage means?

Colossians 2:11-23 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

These passages have been discussed many times at length and sadly this one misinterpreted scripture by Paul has led so many people down the wrong path even though it does not reconcile with the teachings of Jesus Mat 5:18-30, Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-14, Mat 19:17-19 Mat 24:20, Isa 56:1-6, Isa 66:23 Num 23:20 or the teachings of Paul and the disciples Luke 23:56 Acts 13:42-42 Acts 18:4, 1 John 5:3 Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14 Rev 12:17 1 Cor 7:19 and so many more.

Here are the links from previous posts that explain what Paul is referring to.

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We need to come to the light to God's Truth and all of God's commandments are Truth Psa 119:151. Only the Truth will set us free, not our truth, only God's. John 8:32 No one including Paul is above God or His holy law that He personally wrote and personally spoke. Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16 that came in a unit of Ten Commandments, not nine or one Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 The only commandment that has His seal and reveals the Author of His law and our Creator is the Sabbath commandment and its the one commandment that is in constant attack as it comes down to who is our allegiance to- God the creator of heaven and earth Exo 20:11 the Sabbath is His seal and keeping that we are with God Eze 20:20 or is our allegiance to the ones who changed times and laws we are warned about Dan 7:25. We all have free will, but my free will is to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat 4:4 and no scripture is there a thus saith the Lord that we can forget the one commandment God said Remember. All of the thus saith the Lords on the Sabbath is for us to Remember, not to profane. My faith is in Him and His Word.

 

[One God and Father of All]

These passages have been discussed many times at length and sadly this one misinterpreted scripture by Paul has led so many people down the wrong path even though it does not reconcile with the teachings of Jesus Mat 5:18-30, Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-14, Mat 19:17-19 Mat 24:20, Isa 56:1-6, Isa 66:23 Num 23:20 or the teachings of Paul and the disciples Luke 23:56 Acts 13:42-42 Acts 18:4, 1 John 5:3 Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14 Rev 12:17 1 Cor 7:19 and so many more.

Here are the links from previous posts that explain what Paul is referring to.

The Moral Law

Refuse? You never actually asked what group we associate with GDL. You asked what lesson plan we use. And the answer was none. . Then you asked who “we” was. There are two spirits in this world. Let God be the judge. But in regards to what you ask now. In respect to what group we associate...

www.christianforums.com

Works Relation to Salvation

Do you know why incest was made illegal? Adam's sons and daughters married each other as there was no one else around. But more importantly the human body came from God's hand perfect in every in every respect. In other words there were no genetic mutations as there were by the time of the...

www.christianforums.com

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We need to come to the light to God's Truth and all of God's commandments are Truth Psa 119:151. Only the Truth will set us free, not our truth, only God's. John 8:32 No one including Paul is above God or His holy law that He personally wrote and personally spoke. Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16 that came in a unit of Ten Commandments, not nine or one Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 The only commandment that has His seal and reveals the Author of our Creator is the Sabbath commandment and its the one commandment that is in constant attack as it comes down to who is our allegiance to- God the creator of heaven and earth Exo 20:11 the Sabbath is His seal and keeping that we are with God Eze 20:20 or is our allegiance to the ones who changed times and laws we are warned about Dan 7:25. We all have free will, but my free will is to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat 4:4 and no scripture is there a thus saith the Lord that we can forget the one commandment God said Remember. All of the thus saith the Lords on the Sabbath is for us to Remember, not to profane. My faith is in Him and His Word.

The law as God had given it includes the punishment for breaking it. You can’t have law unless you enforce punishment. Therefore the law requires enforcement and punishment. Otherwise it’s not law It’s just meaningless words.

The Jews were required to obey the law, which meant they were responsible for enforcing it.
If you decide to be under that law then you are required to enforce it as a community of those under the law..

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The law as God had given it includes the punishment for breaking it. You can’t have law unless you enforce punishment. Therefore the law requires enforcement and punishment. Otherwise it’s not law It’s just meaningless words.

The Jews were required to obey the law, which meant they were responsible for enforcing it.
If you decide to be under that law then you are required to enforce it as a community of those under the law..

Least in heaven (lost) is punishment. Mat 5:19

Which is why we will all be judged by the Ten Commandments, regardless if one accepts it or not. Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:18-30 Rev 22:14-15

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

11 For He who said

“Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

You can find the rest of the He who said in the Ten Commandments, breaking one we break them all.

God personally wrote and God personally spoke these words. Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16 No greater Authority than He. I would not want to remove one jot or tittle of the law that sits under His mercy seat where Judgement and mercy come together. Not everyone who says Lord Lord will be in His Kingdom. Mat 7:21-23

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

God writes His law in our hearts now Heb 8:10 and we should keep them through faith and love. Exo 20:6 John 14:15 1 John 5:3 Rev 14:12

 

[One God and Father of All]

Least in heaven (lost) is punishment. Mat 5:19

Which is why we will all be judged by the Ten Commandments, regardless if one accepts it or not. Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:18-30 Rev 22:14-15

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

11 For He who said

“Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

You can find the rest of the He who said in the Ten Commandments, breaking one we break them all.

God personally wrote and God personally spoke these words. Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16 No greater Authority than He. I would not want to remove one jot or tittle of the law that sits under His mercy seat where Judgement and mercy come together. Not everyone who says Lord Lord will be in His Kingdom. Mat 7:21-23

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

God writes His law in our hearts now Heb 8:10 and we should keep them through faith and love. Exo 20:6 John 14:15 1 John 5:3 Rev 14:12

Not being under the law is not license to break it whenever you decide. It simply means that there is now forgiveness of sin. Under the law it was unforgivable not to adhere to it completely. Therefore, we are not under the law. Anyone who says he is under the law is a liar because he doesn't keep the law himself. If he did then he would belong to a community that say they keep the law and then kill anyone who broke it.

 

[oikonomia]

Yes. (they are included in God's the Law of Love, and in the New Covenant of Jer 31:31-33)

In light of further revelation of the New Testament we see that the new covenant
involved God inscribing His life into man to make living "letters" of Christ with people.

Since you are being manifested that you are a letter of Christ ministered by us, inscribed not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tablets of stone but in tablets of hearts of flesh. (2 Cor. 3:3)

The Third Person of the Triune God, the Spirit, is like divine ink staining the "paper" of man's psychological heart.
This writing is about the Triune God dispensing Himself as life and nature into His redeemed.

No they are not good

The Ten Commandments were good and bad depending.
The were good as a "child-conductor" to lead us to justification by faith.
So then the law has become our child-conductor unto Christ that we might be justified out of faith. (Gal. 3:24)

The Ten Commandments were good in exposing the nature of sin in fallen man.
But I did not know sin except through the law; for neither did I know coveting, except the law had said, “You shall not covet.” (Rom. 7:7c)

Did then that which is good become death to me? Absolutely not! But sin did, that it might be shown to be sin by working out death in me through that which is good, that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful. (Rom. 7:13)

For we know that the law is spiritual; but I am fleshy, sold under sin. (v.14)

The Ten Commandments are not good if they cause the Christian to nullify Christ's grace to live by.
I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness is through law, then Christ has died for nothing. (Gal. 2:21)

The Ten Commandments are not good if the Christian is found obsessed by trying to live by them rather than by faith.
And be found in Him, not having my own righteousness which is out of the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is out of God and based on faith, (Phil 3:9)

The Ten Commandments are not good if distract the one obsessed with keeping them not to
"eat" Jesus - absorb, digest, taste, masticate, and snack and feast on the Son of God as the bread of life.

I am the living bread which came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he shall live forever; and the bread which I will give is My flesh, given for the life of the world. (John 6:51)

As the living Father has sent Me and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also shall live because of Me. (John 6:57)

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Not being under the law is not license to break it whenever you decide. It simply means that there is now forgiveness of sin. Under the law it was unforgivable not to adhere to it completely. Therefore, we are not under the law. Anyone who says he is under the law is a liar because he doesn't keep the law himself. If he did then he would belong to a community that say they keep the law and then kill anyone who broke it.

The only ones who are not "under the law" are those who are sinless and righteous as they would be keeping it. Isa 48:18 Rom 6:16. Only God can deem someone sinless and righteous therefore everyone is obligated to keep God's law.

Jesus seems to teach something else which is who I place by faith in.

Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ (without law)

Compared to those who obey through faith and love.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. Compared to the next verse Rev 22:15

Two groups- those who are inside the gates and those who are outside. If we are breaking God's law its not a good sign Romans 8:7-8 not all is lost yet, we can get on our knees and pray for forgiveness and a change of heart which means a change of direction, but the time on this earth is coming to a close and once Jesus comes in the Clouds our fates will be sealed Rev 22:11

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yes. (they are included in God's the Law of Love, and in the New Covenant of Jer 31:31-33)

In light of further revelation of the New Testament we see that the new covenant
involved God inscribing His life into man to make living "letters" of Christ with people.

Since you are being manifested that you are a letter of Christ ministered by us, inscribed not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tablets of stone but in tablets of hearts of flesh. (2 Cor. 3:3)

The Third Person of the Triune God, the Spirit, is like divine ink staining the "paper" of man's psychological heart.
This writing is about the Triune God dispensing Himself as life and nature into His redeemed.

No they are not good

The Ten Commandments were good and bad depending.
The were good as a "child-conductor" to lead us to justification by faith.
So then the law has become our child-conductor unto Christ that we might be justified out of faith. (Gal. 3:24)

The Ten Commandments were good in exposing the nature of sin in fallen man.
But I did not know sin except through the law; for neither did I know coveting, except the law had said, “You shall not covet.” (Rom. 7:7c)

Did then that which is good become death to me? Absolutely not! But sin did, that it might be shown to be sin by working out death in me through that which is good, that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful. (Rom. 7:13)

For we know that the law is spiritual; but I am fleshy, sold under sin. (v.14)

The Ten Commandments are not good if they cause the Christian to nullify Christ's grace to live by.
I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness is through law, then Christ has died for nothing. (Gal. 2:21)

The Ten Commandments are not good if the Christian is found obsessed by trying to live by them rather than by faith.
And be found in Him, not having my own righteousness which is out of the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is out of God and based on faith, (Phil 3:9)

The Ten Commandments are not good if distract the one obsessed with keeping them not to
"eat" Jesus - absorb, digest, taste, masticate, and snack and feast on the Son of God as the bread of life.

I am the living bread which came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he shall live forever; and the bread which I will give is My flesh, given for the life of the world. (John 6:51)

As the living Father has sent Me and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also shall live because of Me. (John 6:57)

The law cannot make anyone righteous, only God can make someone righteous. All the law does is show us our sin Romans 7:7 and reveals our condition Romans 3:20. and our need for Jesus for His forgiveness mercy and grace. It also shows us God's righteous standard of living Psa 119:172 so we don't depend on our own. Obedience leads to righteousness Rom 6:16 Isa 48:18 disobedience shows we have not been changed by His Spirit Romans 8:7-8 which is given to help us obey John 14:15-18 and given to those who obey Acts 5:32

We are not saved by keeping the law, keeping the law is a result of our salvation in Christ who changes us from the inside out. Those who have been changed by Jesus want to obey and do anything He asks though love and faith.

This is the result of that change.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

 

[One God and Father of All]

The only ones who are not "under the law" are those who are sinless and righteous as they would be keeping it. Isa 48:18 Rom 6:16. Only God can deem someone sinless and righteous therefore everyone is obligated to keep God's law.

Jesus seems to teach something else which is who I place by faith in.

Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ (without law)

Compared to those who obey through faith and love.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. Compared to the next verse Rev 22:15

People are not righteous of themselves by keeping the law. They are righteous by having God’s righteousness imputed to them. He does not impute His righteousness on those who claim they keep the law, but rather on those who have faith. There is a difference in thinking that one is made righteous by keeping the law and that one is made righteous by faith.
If the Jews had faith, then they would have been made righteous by their faith and the law would have simply been a guide for them. A schoolmaster.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

People are not righteous of themselves by keeping the law. They are righteous by having God’s righteousness imputed to them. He does not impute His righteousness on those who claim they keep the law, but rather on those who have faith. There is a difference in thinking that one is made righteous by keeping the law and that one is made righteous by faith.
If the Jews had faith, then they would have been made righteous by their faith and the law would have simply been a guide for them. A schoolmaster.

Do you think someone who has faith in Jesus would follow His teachings and do them, or not follow and do what they want instead?

 

[One God and Father of All]

Do you think someone who has faith in Jesus would follow His teachings and do them, or not follow and do what they want instead?

Jesus would not tell anyone to have faith and do whatever their evil heart desires.
Instead he would tell them that their faith would resist the desire to do evil. That their faith would be guided by what is right. To be guided by God’s law. To love God and their neighbor.. And if he were to sin, he would have Jesus to forgive him and not take matters Into his own hands by killing someone who broke the sabbath.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Jesus would not tell anyone to have faith and do whatever their evil heart desires.
Instead he would tell them that their faith would resist the desire to do evil. That their faith would be guided by what is right. To be guided by God’s law. To love God and their neighbor.. And if he were to sin, he would have Jesus to forgive him and not take matters Into his own hands by killing someone who broke the sabbath.

Someone with faith would follow all of His teachings Mat 5:18-30 Mark 7:13 Mat 15:3-14, Mat 19:17-19 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Mat 24:20 Isa 56:1-6 Mark 2:27 and live as the example He left for us. 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22 Heb 4:15 John 15:10 Luke 4:16

We are in the New Covenant- Judgment is the last day by Jesus 2 Cor 5:10 John 12:48 and there is a clear standard of Judgement James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30, Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 22:14-15

Yes, we can go to Jesus for the forgiveness of sin, which is breaking His law 1 John 3:4 Romans 7:7 and He wants nothing more than to forgive and cleanse us of all sin and unrighteousness 1 John 1:9 and when Jesus heals He says go and sin no more John 8:11- so that means we need a change of direction and walking in obedience to Him and His commandments. John 14:15-18

Loving God and neighbor is the summary of the law which does not delete the details 1 John 5:3 Romans 13:9 Mat 19:17-19 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13

 

[One God and Father of All]

Someone with faith would follow all of His teachings Mat 5:18-30 Mark 7:13 Mat 15:3-14, Mat 19:17-19 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Mat 24:20 Isa 56:1-6 Mark 2:27 and live as the example He left for us. 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22 Heb 4:15 John 15:10 Luke 4:16

We are in the New Covenant- Judgment is the last day by Jesus 2 Cor 5:10 and there is a clear standard of Judgement James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30, Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 22:14-15

Yes, we can go to Jesus for the forgiveness of sin, which is breaking His law 1 John 3:4 Romans 7:7 and He wants nothing more than to forgive and cleanse us of all sin and unrighteousness 1 John 1:9 and when Jesus heals He says go and sin no more John 8:11- so that means we need a change of direction and walking in obedience to Him and His commandments. John 14:15-18

Loving God and neighbor is the summary of the law which does not delete the details 1 John 5:3 Romans 13:9 Mat 19:17-19 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13

I’m not saying Jesus’ commandments are not to be obeyed. But what happens if one faults on any one of them. Where is he to go to find forgiveness?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I’m not saying Jesus’ commandments are not to be obeyed. But what happens if one faults on any one of them. Where is he to go to find forgiveness?

Jesus.

Pro 28:13 He who covers his sins will not prosper,
But whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy.

Through Jesus we can obey His commandments John 14:15-18 if we slip and fall we have Jesus who is our Advocate and High Priest and instead of brining an animal for the sacrifice of sins we can go directly to Him, who paid the penalty with His blood. When He heals He says go and sin no more. Our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21.