Biden allies say president is ‘sharp’

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So who instigated those riots? Was it Gore, Kerry, or Clinton? Which of those told them to go out as a mob to riot?

Like I said, you are dishonestly equivocating.

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Maxine Waters was telling protestors "“We got to stay on the street. And we’ve got to get more active, we’ve got to get more confrontational. We’ve got to make sure that they know that we mean business.”

Nancy Pelosi defended the comments

Ayanna Pressley, D-Mass., said of the Black Lives Matter protests that "there needs to be unrest in the streets."

Kamala Harris ""protesters should not let up,"

Democratic Attorney General of MA Maura Healey remarked “Yes, America is burning, but that's how forests grow. Thank you.”

those are some examples
 
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That's a straw man argument. I'm not even disputing that a person's memory is in decline at Joes age.

That's a contradiction from what you said here: "Or he legitimately forgot because his mental state is in decline".

You should really get your stories straight. Is it a straw man, or did he actually forget because his memory is in decline? Or didn't he know that she was dead despite a statement from the White House acknowledging her death?

By being facetious you're projecting your own misunderstanding of my position; that you're entertaining a straw man argument.

I'm not convinced you even know what your position is here.

I'm not pretending. It makes perfect sense that Biden thinks she's alive if he's asking where she is. It makes more sense than believing Biden misspoke or that Biden knows perfectly well she's dead, and he's seen here pretending that he's wondering why she's not there.

To reiterate, the White House didn't even try to pretend like Biden didn't know that she was dead.

Yes, it's concerning watching Biden call out for someone he knew died a month prior. If that happened to one of my aging parents, I'd think some cognitive testing would be prudent.

Knowledge can only be counted as known when it is retained. My articulation does not discount that Biden forgot she had died. Obviously, if I forgot being told my friend died, I'd still think they were alive and didn't know they were dead.

Especially during campaign season.

If you're suggesting an age limit for the Presidency, that's a reasonable suggestion.

Well consider the semantics at play here: I said:
"In my view it's entirely possible Biden did not misspeak. It looks to me as if he really didn't know that the late Representative, Jackie Walorski had died."

The record shows I'm not making up a story, I'm explaining to you why I think it's possible that Biden did not misspeak.

If you think that, in my statement, I was excluding the possibility he was informed and forgot, then you're mistaken.

The reason I articulated it as "it looked to me as if he really didn't know" is because I was putting myself in his shoes.
To be clear, knowledge can only be counted as known when it is retained, wherefore my articulation does not discount that Biden was at some point informed and later had forgotten she had died. Obviously, if I forgot being told my friend died, I'd still think they were alive and wouldn't know/realize they were dead at that moment I was asking where they were.

This is some seriously convoluted spin.

Where's the proof that a staff member didn't write this statement and Joe signed it? How many cards and condolences and things of that sort does Joe sign every day? Isn't it possible someone else wrote it, Biden signed it and then forgot about it?

So now you're suggesting that Biden is such a busy guy that he can't even be bothered to express his own sincere condolences when a congresswoman dies? He just signs whatever they put in front of him? That's even worse than pretending like he didn't know she was dead.

I did watch it. While the article implies, that he's struggling to think and talk right, I see it as Biden being careful to find the right words. Biden wants to choose his words carefully when talking about expectations of hostages being released. I don't see him stumbling to remember the term Hamas, I think he's saying he's trying not to raise expectations.

“There is some movement, and I don’t want to, I don’t want to ... well, maybe choose my words. There is some movement, there’s been a response from the- there’s been a response from the opposition but..." he continued.

“Hamas?” a reporter then chimed in.

“Yes, I’m sorry — from Hamas,” said Biden. “But it seems to be a little over the top. We’re not sure where it is. There’s a continuing negotiation right now.”


I note that Biden says, "there's been a response from the- there's been a response from the opposition". I therefore also note that once Biden commits to, ".... a response from the-....", it's going to be more fluid to finish the thought with, ...."the opposition" rather than "the hamas". Had Biden said the hamas, I'd imagine he'd be ridiculed for saying the hamas.

(Here comes some more of that facetiousness you referenced earlier...)

Yeah, because I'm sure Biden's main concern here was making sure he was using proper grammar and sentence structure.

I then note that, Biden says, "Yes, I'm sorry" after the reporter asks if he's referring to "Hamas?". The articulation of the writer of the article asserts that the reporter was giving Biden the right that Biden can't remember, and that subsequently Biden is apologizing for not remembering the word "hamas". But it's also just as plausible that if Biden was looking for the right word and someone gave it to him, he would have said, "Yes. thank you". So instead, Biden could just be apologizing for not being clearer.

Those are two plausible explanations. You may think I'm ignoring the most obvious explanation, but I'm choosing the gracious one over the ungracious one, because the gracious spirit will not be able to harbor any hypocritical judgment in a negative prejudice towards others.

I would say you're choosing the tortured explanation rather than the obvious one.

People often take video snippets for the purpose of painting others in a bad light. God sees it all.

That's true.

But it's also true that sometimes a compilation of clips simply illustrates the obvious.
 
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I consider Trump to be the best president of the last 100 years and Biden to be the worst. I just look at their accomplishments. And normally I ignore what politicians say and watch what they do, but watching biden speak is high comedy. Well, it would be if it was not sad. Sharp? Obviously someone is lying.
 
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So who instigated those riots? Was it Gore, Kerry, or Clinton? Which of those told them to go out as a mob to riot?

Like I said, you are dishonestly equivocating.

Are you being intentionally obtuse?

Democrats were screaming about the stolen election and the media was amplifying how Trump was an "illegitimate president". Why would anyone be surprised that this results in violent protests and riots? Democrats were effectively telling voters that they had been disenfranchised by the "stolen election". Just because they didn't say "GO START FIRES NOW!" does not absolve them from the responsibly of inciting these violent protests and riots with their rhetoric.
 
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Maxine Waters was telling protestors "“We got to stay on the street. And we’ve got to get more active, we’ve got to get more confrontational. We’ve got to make sure that they know that we mean business.”

Nancy Pelosi defended the comments

Ayanna Pressley, D-Mass., said of the Black Lives Matter protests that "there needs to be unrest in the streets."

Kamala Harris ""protesters should not let up,"

Democratic Attorney General of MA Maura Healey remarked “Yes, America is burning, but that's how forests grow. Thank you.”

those are some examples
Yep. The double standard is comical. This is all stuff I've been calling out literally since the Jan 6 protest.
 
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I never said it was not real. Don't make up falsehoods.

You implied it quite strongly. "Who said that? If you say it was a proclamation, it will be easy for you to quote that person."
"If you say it was" strongly implies that you think it didn't happen. Of course, you could find it yourself if you really wanted to know. It took me all of 5 seconds to find it online.

I find it highly amusing that you posted "This ridiculous hyperbole is why most people don't take the Democrats seriously." and precede to show three Republican women who worked in the Trump White House as aides telling us Trump will end democracy!

LOL

How about Bernie Sanders? He's not a Republican woman, and he said THE. EXACT. SAME. THING.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said the reelection of former President Trump would be the “end of democracy” in an interview released Saturday by The Guardian.
“It will be the end of democracy, functional democracy,” Sanders said in the interview.

It is highly amusing to watch you try to pretend like there isn't completely over-the-top ridiculous hyperbole concerning a second Trump election being pushed by the Democrats.

Jon Stewart returned to The Daily Show yesterday. He closed his opening segment talking about the election with some incredibly wise words. He said:

If your guy loses, bad things might happen, but the country is not over. And if your guy wins, the country is is no way saved.
 
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Satire, but not too far removed from reality...

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You implied it quite strongly. "Who said that?
That is called a question. Not only did you claim I said something I never said, but you are doubling down and accusing me of IMPLYING I said it. Give it a rest.



I won't bother with the rest of the comment because you cannot top the last post.
 
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In case anyone is interested, you can assess your own cognitive abilities with the XpressO MoCA test here in under 7 minutes.


I'm happy to report that as a 46-year old male, my cognition is quite good according to this test.

Biden should take the full MoCA test and publicize his results. So should Trump.
 
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That is called a question. Not only did you claim I said something I never said, but you are doubling down and accusing me of IMPLYING I said it. Give it a rest.

Um, implications are, by definition, not stated but implied.

I won't bother with the rest of the comment because you cannot top the last post.

LOL. Bernie Sanders said that re-electing Donald Trump would be the end of "functional democracy". Bernie Sanders is a Democrat. Ergo, Democrats are employing over-the-top hyperbole about the "end of democracy" if Trump is reelected. Just like I said pages ago.
 
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Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas offered a similar defense, calling Biden “sharp.”
“The most difficult part about a meeting with President Biden is preparing for it because he is sharp, intensely probing and detail-oriented and focused,” Mayorkas told “Meet the Press.”

I must say Mayorkas is consistent.
Sharp as a marble
 
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I consider Trump to be the best president of the last 100 years and Biden to be the worst. I just look at their accomplishments. And normally I ignore what politicians say and watch what they do, but watching biden speak is high comedy. Well, it would be if it was not sad. Sharp? Obviously someone is lying.
Biden is worse than Warren G Harding?
 
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You should really get your stories straight. Is it a straw man, or did he actually forget because his memory is in decline?
As I have already said; people have problems remembering as they get older. To rephrase: I'm not disputing that Biden's memory is in decline. To rephrase again: If you think I'm arguing that Biden's memory is not in decline you have erected a strawman argument.

Or didn't he know that she was dead despite a statement from the White House acknowledging her death?
From the record, this is what I said: "In my view it's entirely possible Biden did not misspeak. It looks to me as if he really didn't know that the late Representative, Jackie Walorski had died."

I note that your question above is posed in a definitive format. I will rephrase your question so that I can answer the intent of your question without framing my response as a definitive fact.

Question: In your view, did Biden know or not know that Jackie had died even though the Whitehouse had indicated he knew she had died?
Answer: It looks to me as if Biden really didn't know she had died despite the Whitehouse indicating he knew she had died.
Follow up question: Do you think it's because he was not informed or that he was informed, and he forgot?
Answer: I would think Biden was informed and then he forgot.

Reiteration of prior discourse to show consistency of my position: I'm not disputing that Biden's memory is in decline. People have problems remembering as they get older.

I'm not convinced you even know what your position is here.
Reiteration of prior discourse to show consistency of my position:
As I have already said several times; people have problems remembering as they get older. To rephrase: I'm not disputing that Biden's memory is in decline. To rephrase again: If you think I'm arguing that Biden's memory is not in decline you have erected a strawman argument.
To reiterate, the White House didn't even try to pretend like Biden didn't know that she was dead.
Why would they?
Yes, it's concerning watching Biden call out for someone he knew died a month prior. If that happened to one of my aging parents, I'd think some cognitive testing would be prudent.
It's not like Biden forgot his son died. Biden has been in public service for over forty years and knows thousands of people. As President, Biden probably hears about the deaths of people he knew every day, and he probably has staff who prepare condolences which he signs. Biden could have just forgotten he was told she had died.

Reiteration of prior discourse to show consistency of my position:
As I have already said several times; people have problems remembering as they get older.
This is some seriously convoluted spin.
I think you're fully capable of understanding that a president who is old can be told that someone they knew had died and yet forget they were told, particularly when as President it could be commonplace to hear of someone they know of having died every day.

Reiteration of prior discourse to show consistency of my position: I'm not disputing that Biden's memory is in decline; people have problems remembering as they get older.


So now you're suggesting that Biden is such a busy guy that he can't even be bothered to express his own sincere condolences when a congresswoman dies? He just signs whatever they put in front of him?
I think all presidents have staff that write condolence letters. But yes, I'm suggesting Biden has been very busy, and it could have slipped his mind.

Reiteration of prior discourse to show consistency of my position:
As I have already said several times; people have problems remembering as they get older.
That's even worse than pretending like he didn't know she was dead.
Why would Biden pretend he didn't know she was dead? It's more probable that he had forgotten.

Reiteration of prior discourse to show consistency of my position: People have problems remembering as they get older.
(Here comes some more of that facetiousness you referenced earlier...)

Yeah, because I'm sure Biden's main concern here was making sure he was using proper grammar and sentence structure.
(Not being facetious) Actually, I think his main concern was to give a sense of hope about the hostages while downplaying expectations of anything happening soon.
I would say you're choosing the tortured explanation rather than the obvious one.
There's just no proof he forgot the word Hamas. I consider that when for political gain someone says something that is disparaging about others which may or may not be true, it would be wicked of me to want to believe it, particularly when there's a perfectly plausible alternative explanation. However, when someone says something good about someone else which may or may not be true, it's not wicked to want to believe it, it's wicked to not want to believe it.

When I must believe one way or the other, the positive prejudice of grace is preferable because even if I'm wrong I'm not a hypocrite. But if I believe the negative prejudice and I am wrong, then I'm a hypocrite because I've believed something bad about someone else without proof, and that's not what I would want done to me. So, it's not a tortured explanation, it's just loving others as I would want to be loved.

Reiteration of prior discourse for consistency of my position:
If you think I'm arguing that Biden's memory is not in decline you have erected a strawman argument.
 
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LOL. Bernie Sanders said that re-electing Donald Trump would be the end of "functional democracy". Bernie Sanders is a Democrat. Ergo, Democrats are employing over-the-top hyperbole about the "end of democracy" if Trump is reelected. Just like I said pages ago.
Bernie Sanders is an Independent, not a Democrat. Perhaps one day you will find some democrats who have said things to justify your "This ridiculous hyperbole is why most people don't take the Democrats seriously. " comment.

You have stumbled onto a great talking point for democrats by showing republicans and independents both believe Trump is a disaster for America. Well done. Other than that, I will remember that you accuse others of saying things they never said, without apologies.
 
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you won't be voting for Biden

you will be voting for Kamala Harris

which means we should probably start building backyard bomb shelters
Reminds me of the far right stories from the last election saying the same thing. Or the ones where Biden would intentionally lose so AOC could run this time around.

But that's all they are, stories.
 
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Are you being intentionally obtuse?

Democrats were screaming about the stolen election and the media was amplifying how Trump was an "illegitimate president". Why would anyone be surprised that this results in violent protests and riots? Democrats were effectively telling voters that they had been disenfranchised by the "stolen election". Just because they didn't say "GO START FIRES NOW!" does not absolve them from the responsibly of inciting these violent protests and riots with their rhetoric.

Weird, I wasn't seeing or hearing the media do that, or Democrats doing that. I saw a begrudging acceptance that Trump was president, but no concerted campaign to claim that Trump's election was fraud.

Maybe I wasn't watching the right media or listening to the right Democrats. Perhaps there was some widespread campaign to claim Trump's election was fraudulent. I mostly remember my disappointment of waking up to discover Trump was elected, and wondering how the nation could have fallen so far.

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Democrats were effectively telling voters that they had been disenfranchised by the "stolen election". Just because they didn't say "GO START FIRES NOW!" does not absolve them from the responsibly of inciting these violent protests and riots with their rhetoric.
It is amazing that rightists are complaining about this when Trump is STILL whining about a stolen election, and has been indicted for trying to steal the election he lost.

The projection has been noted.
 
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Weird, I wasn't seeing or hearing the media do that, or Democrats doing that. I saw a begrudging acceptance that Trump was president, but no concerted campaign to claim that Trump's election was fraud.

Maybe I wasn't watching the right media or listening to the right Democrats. Perhaps there was some widespread campaign to claim Trump's election was fraudulent. I mostly remember my disappointment of waking up to discover Trump was elected, and wondering how the nation could have fallen so far.

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seriously? Look at this

as I pointed out in another thread, virtually every Democrat either made the claim that the 2016 election was "stolen", fraudulent, hijacked by Russia, and that Trump was illegitimate, or illegal. I am not aware of any Democrat who thought otherwise

and as one site points out: "The 2000, 2004, and 2016 presidential elections saw some congressional Democrats object to the final electoral count. In 2000, the New York Times reported that “a dozen members of the Congressional Black Caucus, joined by a few sympathizers, tried in vain to block the counting of Florida’s 25 electoral votes, protesting that black voters had been disenfranchised.”

and:

On the House floor in 2005, the ranking Judiciary Committee Democrat, Rep. John Conyers (D., Mich.), presented the case for awarding Ohio to the Democrats, claiming “electronic machines transferred” votes from Mr. Kerry to Mr. Bush (literally calling into question voting machines)

On the state level, "Stacy Abrams, in the wake of her 2018 loss to Kemp by 1.4 percentage points, acknowledged that Kemp, who then worked as Georgia secretary of state, would be the governor of Georgia. But she specifically said in her final speech that she was not concede due to persistent voter suppression allegations, adding that conceding would mean acknowledging “an action is right, true or proper” and “as a woman of conscience and faith, I cannot concede that.”

During an interview with CNN’s “New Day” on Friday, Abrams said Kemp “won under the rules of the game at the time, but the game was rigged against the voters of Georgia.”

The Democratic Party has a 23 year history of election denial, including calling into question results, voting machines, and accusing the GOP of election interference and collusion with foreign enemies. The default position of the Democrats has been that any election they lose is fraudulent, and some politicians have refused to concede. Others, like Clinton, concede, and then claim for months or years afterwards, claim that the election was rigged.

This greatly undermines the faith and confidence of our electoral system, and led to the fiasco in January 2021.
 
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seriously? Look at this

as I pointed out in another thread, virtually every Democrat either made the claim that the 2016 election was "stolen", fraudulent, hijacked by Russia, and that Trump was illegitimate, or illegal. I am not aware of any Democrat who thought otherwise
So? None of them stormed the Capitol. Trump is STILL claims the election was stolen AND had his supporters storm the Capitol.
 
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