Biden allies say president is ‘sharp’

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I dont usually argue via videos. Its just more commitment than I can give this place at this stage in my life.

Well OK, but the point remains that the video (and the article) both show that the Democrats went far beyond "whining" about election results. As the screenshot I've taken shows, it says "We are calling on the electors to ignore their states' votes and cast their ballots for Secretary Clinton."

Of course, that didn't happen. But it doesn't meant that there weren't millions of Democrats quite willing to disenfranchise US voters because they didn't like the outcome of the election.
 
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I totally remember when Gore, Kerry, and Clinton all led campaigns to claim the election was false for years and then instigated mobs of their supporters to storm the Capitol to force an overturn of those elections.

So because the Democrats' attempts to disenfranchise voters isn't quite as bad as Replubicans', you're OK with it?

Alrighty then.
 
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So because the Democrats' attempts to disenfranchise voters isn't quite as bad as Replubicans', you're OK with it?

Alrighty then.

One of my neighbors keeps stealing my Christmas decorations that I forgot to take down.
One of my neighbors just tried to murder me by trying to run me over with their car because they don't like my Christmas decorations that I still have up.

I don't like either. But trying to act like they are the same is silly.

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One of my neighbors keeps stealing my Christmas decorations that I forgot to take down.
One of my neighbors just tried to murder me by trying to run me over with their car because they don't like my Christmas decorations that I still have up.

I don't like either. But trying to act like they are the same is silly.

Weird analogy. How does someone "keep stealing" something? Once they've stolen it, they can't "keep stealing" it. I give it an "F" for poor comprehension.

How about we just agree that both Republicans and Democrats have sought to undermine election results they didn't like throughout history?
 
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Weird analogy. How does someone "keep stealing" something? Once they've stolen it, they can't "keep stealing" it. I give it an "F" for poor comprehension.

You know how you can have five apples, and if someone takes an apple, and then takes another apple--they've stolen more than one apple?

It's the same way in my analogy. See, multiple decorations constitutes more than one thing. So a person can keep stealing from a collection of things.

But you tried, so I'll give you an A for effort.

How about we just agree that both Republicans and Democrats have sought to undermine election results they didn't like throughout history?

Because you and I both know that you are being intentionally dishonest.

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You know how you can have five apples, and if someone takes an apple, and then takes another apple--they've stolen more than one apple?

It's the same way in my analogy. See, multiple decorations constitutes more than one thing. So a person can keep stealing from a collection of things.

Ah. So they don't steal it all at once.

OK. Well then, that makes (slightly) more sense. It's still a weird analogy.

Because you and I both know that you are being intentionally dishonest.

Um, no. Both Republicans and Democrats have a history of undermining election results that they don't particularly like. That is quite true and verifiable. The alleged "insurrection" was the most extreme example of such, but there were mobs and riots in the streets when Trump won the election in 2016 also. It was hardly a peaceful transfer of power.
 
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Ah. So they don't steal it all at once.

OK. Well then, that makes (slightly) more sense. It's still a weird analogy.



Um, no. Both Republicans and Democrats have a history of undermining election results that they don't particularly like. That is quite true and verifiable. The alleged "insurrection" was the most extreme example of such, but there were mobs and riots in the streets when Trump won the election in 2016. It was hardly a peaceful transfer of power.

Can you provide an example of one of these Democrat instigated riots?

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Can you provide an example of one of these Democrat instigated riots?

Sure.

For the third night in a row, anti-Donald Trump demonstrators took to the streets in several big cities and on college campuses across the United States, including an outburst of smashed windows and a dumpster fire in Portland that police countered with pepper spray and flash-bang devices.

Sounds peaceful!

Emboldened by the over-the-top rhetoric of Hillary Clinton and the media's claims of Trump having "stolen" the election and being an "illegitimate president", riots broke out all over the nation.
 
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The hyperbole I am referring to is the proclamations that democracy as we know it will come to an end and the world will implode if Trump is elected president.
Who said that? If you say it was a proclamation, it will be easy for you to quote that person.
 
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I'd give that one eye-roll.

As for the Republicans standing by his predecessor, my eyes would be rolling like a bobble-headed doll's.

We will have two choices in November...

Mine will be Biden or dust off my grandmother's baptismal certificate and claim the Irish citizenship I am entitled too, preparing for the worst.
you won't be voting for Biden

you will be voting for Kamala Harris

which means we should probably start building backyard bomb shelters
 
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Who said that? If you say it was a proclamation, it will be easy for you to quote that person.

Yes, not hard at all.

From ABC News. At the 49 second mark in this video, in case you're too lazy to watch the entire thing for yourself. "The end of American democracy as we know it."

 
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Yes, not hard at all.

From ABC News. At the 49 second mark in this video, in case you're too lazy to watch the entire thing for yourself. "The end of American democracy as we know it."



Do you believe she is correct?

In another thread a poster says that electing Biden would in fact elect Harris, then people will be building backyard bomb shelters. Funny how both sides see doom and despair on the horizon.
 
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You do that.

Somebody was just saying in another thread that rhetoric like what you just posted is nothing more the hyperbole, except you really made no point.
It isn't all that hyperbolic

Biden has gotten us involved in two wars since taking office, with the potential of a third kicking off. The fiasco in Afghanistan, the diplomatic failures and bad policies leading to the invasion of the Ukraine, and the chaos and butchery in Gaza, represent some of the worst foreign policy disasters in US history. Add to this the deteriorating relations with the Arab states, China, and the angering of allies in Europe, and we can say that no president has ever had more problems with foreign policy. Pretty much everyone hates us at this point.

didn't Chuck Schumer say something to the effect that if additional aid isn't given to Ukraine, American troops could end up there?

not the time to put an unqualified and clueless Harris into the presidency.
 
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Or he legitimately forgot because his mental state is in decline. The simplest explanation is usually correct.
That's a straw man argument. I'm not even disputing that a person's memory is in decline at Joes age.
Sure. Because the obvious explanation that an elderly man is experiencing mental decline right in front of our very eyes can't be correct.
That's a contradiction from what you said here: "Or he legitimately forgot because his mental state is in decline".

By being facetious you're projecting your own misunderstanding of my position; that you're entertaining a straw man argument.
I can't believe you're trying to pretend like Biden didn't know Walorski was dead. Not even the the White House tried to make that ridiculous argument.
I'm not pretending. It makes perfect sense that Biden thinks she's alive if he's asking where she is. It makes more sense than believing Biden misspoke or that Biden knows perfectly well she's dead, and he's seen here pretending that he's wondering why she's not there.

Knowledge can only be counted as known when it is retained. My articulation does not discount that Biden forgot she had died. Obviously, if I forgot being told my friend died, I'd still think they were alive and didn't know they were dead.
In reality, these "episodes" are quite frequent.
Especially during campaign season.
You are not the President of the United States. Perhaps the standard for the leader of the free world should be different than it is for the every day aging citizen.
If you're suggesting an age limit for the Presidency, that's a reasonable suggestion.
If you have to make up stories pretending Biden didn't know someone was dead to find that grace when he clearly did, I would suggest that you've gone far beyond "finding grace" and moved on to "alternate reality".
Well consider the semantics at play here: I said:
"In my view it's entirely possible Biden did not misspeak. It looks to me as if he really didn't know that the late Representative, Jackie Walorski had died."

The record shows I'm not making up a story, I'm explaining to you why I think it's possible that Biden did not misspeak.

If you think that, in my statement, I was excluding the possibility he was informed and forgot, then you're mistaken.

The reason I articulated it as "it looked to me as if he really didn't know" is because I was putting myself in his shoes.
To be clear, knowledge can only be counted as known when it is retained, wherefore my articulation does not discount that Biden was at some point informed and later had forgotten she had died. Obviously, if I forgot being told my friend died, I'd still think they were alive and wouldn't know/realize they were dead at that moment I was asking where they were.


So there is no confusion, here is the statement from President Biden dated August 3, 2022 addressing the passing of Congresswoman Jackie Walorski. It begins:
Jill and I are shocked and saddened by the death of Congresswoman Jackie Walorski of Indiana along with two members of her staff in a car accident today in Indiana.
Where's the proof that a staff member didn't write this statement and Joe signed it? How many cards and condolences and things of that sort does Joe sign every day? Isn't it possible someone else wrote it, Biden signed it and then forgot about it?
Watch the video again. He struggles to come up with the word Hamas, says the word "opposition" instead, and then says, "Yes, I'm sorry" to the person who reminded him that it was Hamas. Again, you are not "finding grace" here. You are ignoring the most obvious explanation.
I did watch it. While the article implies, that he's struggling to think and talk right, I see it as Biden being careful to find the right words. Biden wants to choose his words carefully when talking about expectations of hostages being released. I don't see him stumbling to remember the term Hamas, I think he's saying he's trying not to raise expectations.

“There is some movement, and I don’t want to, I don’t want to ... well, maybe choose my words. There is some movement, there’s been a response from the- there’s been a response from the opposition but..." he continued.

“Hamas?” a reporter then chimed in.

“Yes, I’m sorry — from Hamas,” said Biden. “But it seems to be a little over the top. We’re not sure where it is. There’s a continuing negotiation right now.”


I note that Biden says, "there's been a response from the- there's been a response from the opposition". I therefore also note that once Biden commits to, ".... a response from the-....", it's going to be more fluid to finish the thought with, ...."the opposition" rather than "the hamas". Had Biden said the hamas, I'd imagine he'd be ridiculed for saying the hamas.

I then note that, Biden says, "Yes, I'm sorry" after the reporter asks if he's referring to "Hamas?". The articulation of the writer of the article asserts that the reporter was giving Biden the right that Biden can't remember, and that subsequently Biden is apologizing for not remembering the word "hamas". But it's also just as plausible that if Biden was looking for the right word and someone gave it to him, he would have said, "Yes. thank you". So instead, Biden could just be apologizing for not being clearer.

Those are two plausible explanations. You may think I'm ignoring the most obvious explanation, but I'm choosing the gracious one over the ungracious one, because the gracious spirit will not be able to harbor any hypocritical judgment in a negative prejudice towards others.
In reality, it's clear to anyone watching that Biden's mental acuity is declining. It is painful to watch press conferences where he looks like he just woke up, or watch him wander aimlessly on the platform until someone directs him where to go.
People often take video snippets for the purpose of painting others in a bad light. God sees it all.
 
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No.

Are you going to acknowledge the ridiculous hyperbole that you were pretending moments ago wasn't real?
I never said it was not real. Don't make up falsehoods.

I find it highly amusing that you posted "This ridiculous hyperbole is why most people don't take the Democrats seriously." and precede to show three Republican women who worked in the Trump White House as aides telling us Trump will end democracy!

LOL
 
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It isn't all that hyperbolic

Biden has gotten us involved in two wars since taking office, with the potential of a third kicking off. The fiasco in Afghanistan, the diplomatic failures and bad policies leading to the invasion of the Ukraine, and the chaos and butchery in Gaza, represent some of the worst foreign policy disasters in US history. Add to this the deteriorating relations with the Arab states, China, and the angering of allies in Europe, and we can say that no president has ever had more problems with foreign policy. Pretty much everyone hates us at this point.

didn't Chuck Schumer say something to the effect that if additional aid isn't given to Ukraine, American troops could end up there?

not the time to put an unqualified and clueless Harris into the presidency.
Better start building that bomb shelter! LOL
 
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Sure.

For the third night in a row, anti-Donald Trump demonstrators took to the streets in several big cities and on college campuses across the United States, including an outburst of smashed windows and a dumpster fire in Portland that police countered with pepper spray and flash-bang devices.

Sounds peaceful!

Emboldened by the over-the-top rhetoric of Hillary Clinton and the media's claims of Trump having "stolen" the election and being an "illegitimate president", riots broke out all over the nation.

So who instigated those riots? Was it Gore, Kerry, or Clinton? Which of those told them to go out as a mob to riot?

Like I said, you are dishonestly equivocating.

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Well OK, but the point remains that the video (and the article) both show that the Democrats went far beyond "whining" about election results. As the screenshot I've taken shows, it says "We are calling on the electors to ignore their states' votes and cast their ballots for Secretary Clinton."

Of course, that didn't happen. But it doesn't meant that there weren't millions of Democrats quite willing to disenfranchise US voters because they didn't like the outcome of the election.
I did read the article, I mean opinion piece, which has some great examples of certain D congress people objections to the certification - long after their candidate had conceded- as is their right. Still looking for anything close to the Trump Team frauds and attempted frauds.

And I only wish it was actually the will of the voters that prevailed.
 
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