Of course you know about the religious right...

[Merrill]

Oh my goodness. Next you will be telling us that drag queens can turn kids gay by reading to them.

And conservatives want to be the ones doing the manipulating.

Ah, yes. Define any departure from strict gender conformity as "mental illness." That's a clever strategy, I wonder who else has taken advantage of it to advance an agenda?

if a person thinks they were "born into the wrong body" it is mental illness

and drag queens who want to involve themselves with children should be looked at with suspicion.

 

[Whyayeman]

With other people's money, of course. (Tax dollars)

In my experience Quakers have been generous and kind - charitable, in fact.

I don't think you should be sarcastic about religious denominations here.

 

[BCP1928]

if a person thinks they were "born into the wrong body" it is mental illness

Of course they think that. If they develop or acquire gender traits that you want them to view as perversely at odds with their genitalia what else are they to think?

and drag queens who want to involve themselves with children should be looked at with suspicion.

Why? Does pedophilia occur more often amongst drag queens than amongst other groups who want to involve themselves with children?

 

[QvQ]

Of course they think that. If they develop or acquire gender traits that you want them to view as perversely at odds with their genitalia what else are they to think?

Develop or acquire what gender traits? And how is that perversely at odds with their gender?

 

[DaisyDay]

Biological sex is binary, and there is no "combination of traits" that would introduce a new, third biological sex, into the human species.

I agree with you that there is no third sex. What we actually see is more of a sliding scale with people having varying amounts of hormones in their systems and their systems acting variously to these hormones.

There is no XYZ, men cannot have babies, men don't produce eggs, and a woman is much more than a "menstruating person".

Okay, but not all women menstruate, produce eggs or have babies - or even want to.

All of that is complete nonsense, and it has nothing to do with conservative vs. liberal politics. Even old-school liberals know it is total nonsense, and some are more vocal about it than conservatives (see Bill Maher for example).

Do you care about Bill Maher's position on transgenderism? I sure don't. It's not as though he were transgendered himself or affected more than superficially - he might share a bathroom with a transman, horrors!

Biological sex is a not "culturally determined". Gender roles are, yes. That is a different matter

Then do you accept transgendered people as opposed to transsexual people? In theory.

Conservatives had zero issues with people born with anatomical abnormalities. They do have an issue with transgenderism as an ideology, and pseudo-science. They also have an issue with sneaking in neologism like "cisgendered" into the language

"Cisgendered" is just a more succinct way of saying "not transgendered". If you don't like the word, don't use it.

 

[Hazelelponi]

And conservatives want to be the ones doing the manipulating.

No... What conservatives want is children protected under the law. That's it.

 

[BCP1928]

Develop or acquire what gender traits? And how is that perversely at odds with their gender?

...at odds with their genitalia. Things like sexual preferences, emotional responses, social behavior, preferences in occupational and social roles, the totality of traits that for most of us are generally associated with "man" or "woman" over and above their genitalia.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

No... What conservatives want is children protected under the law. That's it.

When Christians shut down their Christian Day Schools, Sunday Schools, Vacation Bible Schools, and children’s Christian literature industry I will believe conservatives don’t want to indoctrinate children.

 

[BCP1928]

No... What conservatives want is children protected under the law. That's it.

Protected from people who don't agree with conservatives about what the law should be. Quite a natural response.

 

[Hazelelponi]

When Christians shut down their Christian Day Schools, Sunday Schools, Vacation Bible Schools, and children’s Christian literature industry I will believe conservatives don’t want to indoctrinate children.

That's to indoctrinate their own children, which they have a right to do.

Same as you have a right to indoctrinate yours all you like...

However, if a law exists such as it being illegal to take your 5 year old to the strip club, the answer isn't to bring the strip club to the public library - because that's for the public to use.

Not only that but adult things are of an adult nature and as such, not suitable for children.

We have G ratings and PG ratings and so forth on movies and games as a guide to age appropriate material. R and X rated material in normal society aren't appropriate for a 5 year old, for instance.

Certainly it's a guide, but when it comes to grooming children if you cross too many lines into sicko ville with your kid they should be taken out of the home. For their safety.

 

[BCP1928]

Certainly it's a guide, but when it comes to grooming children if you cross too many lines into sicko ville with your kid they should be taken out of the home. For their safety.

Tell us why that same argument can't be used against conservative Christians.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Tell us why that same argument can't be used against conservative Christians.

They take kids away from cults and such that are dangerous to the child.

Why do people think they should be allowed to run pedophile rings without concern for hurting kids?

 

[DaisyDay]

Yes, it is about gender vs sexuality. Which is not a thing either.

It obviously is a thing.

 

[DaisyDay]

I don't know about that myself. The problem is liberals take every advantage they can to extremes.
Should biden be held responsible legally for the death of troops in the bungled way he pulled out of Afghanistan? Just look at all the lawsuits that will happen without it. Every bad outcome from a Presidents actions is going to end up in lawsuits. Marxists don't care about anything but causing instability and division.


The Supreme court decided that (loan forgiveness) unconstitutional, but the Biden administration is getting around it anyway. It is getting to the point that Marxists are just ignoring law. As though they have immunity anyway. So, imperial presidency? Marxists act that wat as well. They will abuse whatever system is set up.

These Marxists of yours are just imagined boogeymen, the epitome of evil, not real people.

 

[Merrill]

I agree with you that there is no third sex. What we actually see is more of a sliding scale with people having varying amounts of hormones in their systems and their systems acting variously to these hormones.



Okay, but not all women menstruate, produce eggs or have babies - or even want to.


Do you care about Bill Maher's position on transgenderism? I sure don't. It's not as though he were transgendered himself or affected more than superficially - he might share a bathroom with a transman, horrors!


Then do you accept transgendered people as opposed to transsexual people? In theory.


"Cisgendered" is just a more succinct way of saying "not transgendered". If you don't like the word, don't use it.

If there is no third sex, we have to conclude that sex is binary. It isn't trinary, or something else.

The far-left makes claims like "biological sex isn't binary", or "sex is a social construct" --that stuff is complete nonsense

a woman who does not produce eggs, because of an anatomical issue, disease, etc. is still a woman by virtue of chromosomes, genitalia, muscular-skeletal arrangement, etc. We don't say to a woman who cannot produce eggs "you are neither male nor female"

as far as "gender" goes, it is this nebulous term that is thrown around without any strict definition. It means one thing today, and something else tomorrow, depending on context and intention.

There is no such thing as "transgendered". There is such a thing as gender dysphoria, neurosis, and psychosis. Transgenderism is ideology not science, and I am under absolutely no obligation to respect, or even acknowledge a given ideology.

Because the minute I go down that rabbit hole, people will start claiming they are cats, or space aliens, and start asking for litter boxes or special alien bathrooms.

 

[BCP1928]

They take kids away from cults and such that are dangerous to the child.

Why do people think they should be allowed to run pedophile rings without concern for hurting kids?

What pedophile rings? Who thinks pedophilia should be allowed? Pedophilia is against the law and the best way to defend the kids against it is to make sure the law is enforced and to provide kids with the comprehensive sex education they need to protect themselves against it.
Responding to gender nonconformity with cruelty is hardly a useful strategy.

 

[ralliann]

And the solution is, of course, to put a different Imperial President in power, one who will rule the way you want.

Just a Biden is doing.

 

[BCP1928]

If there is no third sex, we have to conclude that sex is binary. It isn't trinary, or something else.

The far-left makes claims like "biological sex isn't binary", or "sex is a social construct" --that stuff is complete nonsense

a woman who does not produce eggs, because of an anatomical issue, disease, etc. is still a woman by virtue of chromosomes, genitalia, muscular-skeletal arrangement, etc. We don't say to a woman who cannot produce eggs "you are neither male nor female"

as far as "gender" goes, it is this nebulous term that is thrown around without any strict definition. It means one thing today, and something else tomorrow, depending on context and intention.

There is no such thing as "transgendered". There is such a thing as gender dysphoria, neurosis, and psychosis. Transgenderism is ideology not science, and I am under absolutely no obligation to respect, or even acknowledge a given ideology.

Because the minute I go down that rabbit hole, people will start claiming they are cats, or space aliens, and start asking for litter boxes or special alien bathrooms.

So what are you going to do about it? Forget about the vocabulary quibbles. Those traits I listed (and others) which we associate with "male" and "female" are real but do not always conform to an individual's genitalia. How should we respond? With cruelty and marginalization?

 

[ralliann]

Oh my goodness.
Next you will be telling us that drag queens can turn kids gay by reading to them.

Oh my goodness. My my indeed.

And conservatives want to be the ones doing the manipulating.

No. But your statements speaks volumes as to your ideology. Parents will do what they have always done. Raise their kids. You speak of Children as though they are the property of the state. They are children with parents. But Marxists do not care about that. Parent /child relationships are simply a hindrance to their state/ child relationship.

Ah, yes. Define any departure from strict gender conformity as "mental illness." That's a clever strategy, I wonder who else has taken advantage of it to advance an agenda?

Of course it is you that takes advantage. Look at your above statement " Who get's to manipulate America's children ? WOW
These are children we are talking about here. Not adults.

 

[BCP1928]

Oh my goodness. My my indeed.

No. But your statements speaks volumes as to your ideology. Parents will do what they have always done. Raise their kids. You speak of Children as though they are the property of the state. They are children with parents. But Marxists do not care about that. Parent /child relationships are simply a hindrance to their state/ child relationship.

Of course it is you that takes advantage. Look at your above statement " Who get's to manipulate America's children ? WOW
These are children we are talking about here. Not adults.

What we are talking about is kids and how we are to prepare them for life in a world where gender non-conforming people exist, where they might themselves be gender nonconforming in some way.