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"Unsatisfactory" for what reason? The Big Bang, the idea that the universe had a definite beginning, when if came into existence from nothing, was originally a disparaging term for the idea then held only by deists. Now that belief is accepted as fact, we seem to want to argue against it just out of long habit. Maybe we ought to learn when to recognize a victory and move on.

There's no evidence that it is. The universe may be chocablock with planets that could support life that we have no clue exist. The observable universe is a pretty big shop, and we haven't even scratched the surface in learning about it.

There's no argument about that. A goldilocks zone is where liqud water can exist. Most of us have noticed liquid water a time or two.

That's quite an assertion. What do you base it on?

The correct answer would have been that you didn't know what you were talking about.

If you were disrupting the class with made up stuff that's what he should have done. Your opinions aren't what he's there to teach.

In other words, you weren't prepared to have your youtube-based ideas challenged by what actual scientific research has revealed.
This will educate and enlighten you on this subject, please don't dismiss it just because it reveals the awful truth.
 
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This will educate and enlighten you on this subject, please don't dismiss it just because it reveals the awful truth.
I don't watch videos in a discussion forum, one because it's generally a monumental waste of time, and two because vids on topics like this generally prove to be rubbish. What evidence do you have that the entire universe is full of deadly background radiation?
 
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God's Word teaches us that, Demons or as you like to call them "Aliens" are deceiving Spirits.
Failed out the gate. Demons are demons. That "aliens" are demons is a nonsensical assertion given that there's noevidence at all that there are aliens. It's like saying frodises are demons; frodises don't exist. Before you can prove that aliens are demons, you first have to prove that there are aliens. I see no reason to believe that there are any.

Your descripions of aliens is interesting, but nothing to the point. Saying that aliens are demons is, once again, like saying that kelpies are demons, when there probably haven't ever been any kelpies.
 
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You obviously don't believe that every Word in the Bible is the Word of God.
Ad hom crap; go soak your head.
So we really won't agree on anything.
That seems certain, but hardly for any reason you're likely to admit.
God uses parable's and symbolic language, which only make sense to those who have been given understanding.
Which of course means the unco (adverb : extremely, remarkably, uncommonly) spiritual like, maybe, you, right?
God hides the truth from most people
Except for the unco spiritual like, maybe, you, right?
, He only reveals it to His elect.
Which of course means the unco spiritual like, maybe, you, right?
The things of God are foolishness to those who are perishing.
Hmmm... now who could that be? <Laugh>
One doesn't need to be smart or highly educated to understand what God's Word teaches, they just need God to reveal the truth to them
Which of course means the unco spiritual like, maybe, you, right?
I can't prove anything to you, no matter how many Bible verses I use to support what I believe.
Because I'm not one of the unco spiritual like, maybe, you, right?
If God doesn't give a person the gift of understanding and faith, then they will never make any sense of what He is saying because He is supernatural and man is born with a carnal mind. The natural man can't believe God's Word, because it is foolishness to him.
Good job you're one of the unco spiritual , then, innit?

Yep, invoking some kind of spiritual superiority stone cold trumps logic or reason, doesn't it?

That, and it prevents one from ever having to acknowledge that they don't have a clue what they're talking about.
 
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Failed out the gate. Demons are demons. That "aliens" are demons is a nonsensical assertion given that there's noevidence at all that there are aliens. It's like saying frodises are demons; frodises don't exist. Before you can prove that aliens are demons, you first have to prove that there are aliens. I see no reason to believe that there are any.

Your descripions of aliens is interesting, but nothing to the point. Saying that aliens are demons is, once again, like saying that kelpies are demons, when there probably haven't ever been any kelpies.

Aliester Crowley in 1918 drew an entity, a demon, that he called "LAM". Looks an awful lot like an "alien."
Aliens do not behave as physical beings, but more like spirits, ghosts, or demons.
You watch "Ancient Aliens" and they'll tell you the Anunnaki, the Watchers were aliens. The Bible and Book of Enoch calls them Benai Elohim, the sons of God = angels. They are the angels that were judged for meddling in earthly affairs.
What the so called 'aliens" teach is demonic: it is false doctrine. If they speak of Christ, it's new age or eastern type philosophy: Christ consciousness, the Christ mind, and other nonsense. No blood, no cross, no sin, etc.
Also, guess what: "Aliens" (at least the greys) will disappear if you confront them in the name of Jesus Christ.
 
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Aliester Crowley in 1918 drew an entity, a demon, that he called "LAM". Looks an awful lot like an "alien."
Really? Now there's an authority for you! A syphiltic suffering delusions.

Just a random comment from the net:
While attending university at Cambridge, his consorting with prostitutes led to him also contracting syphilis. It is unclear what the effects of the illnesses were on his overall health and well-being, but they may have contributed to mental illness and delusions.

And we know what an alien looks like by what, given that most the descriptions look remarkably like teevee spacemen?
Aliens do not behave as physical beings
Maybe because they aren't physical beings? Or beings at all?
but more like spirits, ghosts, or demons.
Because, like, Everybody Knows how demons behave.
You watch "Ancient Aliens"
Not a chance. I can't afford to lose that many brain cells.
and they'll tell you the Anunnaki, the Watchers were aliens.
They probably will, along with tons of other outright rubbish. They're the people who say the pyramids were built by "aliens", right?
The Bible and Book of Enoch calls them Benai Elohim
Them who? BTW, the Bible is trustworth, Enoch is a load of garbage, and a source of endless superstitious drivel. . Here's Exhibit A - The Book of Enoch: The Book of the Courses of the Heavenly Luminaries: Chapter LXXII.

the sons of God = angels.
Unlikely. Check any decent Bible commentary.
What the so called 'aliens" teach is demonic
Again, what "aliens". If you mean demons, say demons. There's no evidence that there are any aliens, of any kind.
"Aliens" (at least the greys) will disappear if you confront them in the name of Jesus Christ.
They have to appear first, which they never manage to do while anyone present has a camera, or the sense to use one if they do. They're right up there with fairies and leprechauns in that respect.

You take the existence of aliens on faith. I don't. If I was gonna believe in mythical critters, it wouldn't be sleazy "aliens". I'd opt for noble, heroic folks like Tolkien's elves.
 
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Really? And we know what an alien looks like by what, given that most the descriptions look remarkably like teevee spacemen?

Maybe because they aren't physical beings? Or beings at all?

Because, like, Everybody Knows how demons behave.

Not a chance. I can't afford to lose that many brain cells.

They probably will, along with tons of other outright rubbish. They're the people who say the pyramids were built by "aliens", right?

Them who? BTW, the Bible is trustworth, Enoch is a load of garbage, and a source of endless superstitious drivel. . Here's Exhibit A - The Book of Enoch: The Book of the Courses of the Heavenly Luminaries: Chapter LXXII.


Unlikely. Check any decent Bible commentary.

Again, what "aliens". If you mean demons, say demons. There's no evidence that there are any aliens, of any kind.

They have to appear first, which they never manage to do while anyone present has a camera, or the sense to use one if they do. They're right up there with fairies and leprechauns in that respect.

You take the existence of aliens on faith. I don't. If I was gonna believe in mythical critters, it wouldn't be sleazy "aliens". I'd opt for noble, heroic folks like Tolkien's elves.

I do not believe they are aliens. They are demons that masquerade as aliens to deceive people, and do a good job at it!

They do appear to people: I've seen them a couple times, but away they went in Jesus name.

Parts of Enoch are trustworthy, otherwise Jude would not have quoted Enoch 1:9 in Jude 14-15, nor would Hebrews quote Enoch 9:5. However, I agree that whole section on the luminaries is off the wall.

Main thing is to know Jesus, repent, and live in obedience to His Word. Let others know they can be saved from their sins, especially all these folk caught up in the so called alien delusion.

Not all Bible commentators say the sons of God were not angels. Many do.
 
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I do not believe they are aliens.
Sorry mate, but there's no evidence that there are aliens of any kind, either ET or demonic.
They are demons that masquerade as aliens
Except no one has evidence of fake aliens, either.
to deceive people, and do a good job at it!
Apparently not, since they haven't managed to fake any evidence of of the existence of the aliens they're trying to persuade people that they are. If they're working a con they need to study some successful grifters.
They do appear to people: I've seen them a couple times, but away they went in Jesus name.
Demons that looked like aliens? Wow! But if their goal was to persuade the masses, they should have picked a public venue, and at least left some phony artifacts. Sounds like demons aren't even very good at simple fraud.
Parts of Enoch are trustworthy,
A little leaven leavens the whole lump. When that much of it is a bloody great lie from end to end, how can you manage to trust the rest.
otherwise Jude would not have quoted Enoch 1:9 in Jude 14-15, nor would Hebrews quote Enoch 9:5.
I Not all sure that was the same "Enoch" that currently in exists.
However, I agree that whole section on the luminaries is off the wall.
So how much poo does it take to ruin the soup?
Main thing is to know Jesus, repent, and live in obedience to His Word. Let others know they can be saved from their sins, especially all these folk caught up in the so called alien delusion.
On that we agree.
Not all Bible commentators say the sons of God were not angels. Many do.
The great majority, you'll find.
 
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Why are UFOs probably demons?

Given that there is no mothership or base for the UFOs, you can immediately see a problem. Where do the UFOs go when not in use for some reason? Hence, the increasing talk of interdimensionality. And that probably means demons.

Massive Demonic Presence on Earth Before Jesus Returns | Christian Forums

At a minimum, you should understand that we are in the end-times right now. If you don't understand that then going forward in any kind of discussion is pointless. Many think the creation of Israel in 1948 started the end-time clock. People began to see an increased presence of UFOs since the end of WW2.

Citizen Free Press on X: "Anna Paulina Luna broaches the topic of "interdimensional" beings: "It has become apparent that there is a movement, whether it's in the intelligence community or not, to prevent us from finding out more information on this." https://t.co/yQSs9q2cHW" / X
 
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Why are UFOs probably demons?

Given that there is no mothership or base for the UFOs, you can immediately see a problem. Where do the UFOs go when not in use for some reason? Hence, the increasing talk of interdimensionality. And that probably means demons.

Massive Demonic Presence on Earth Before Jesus Returns | Christian Forums

At a minimum, you should understand that we are in the end-times right now. If you don't understand that then going forward in any kind of discussion is pointless. Many think the creation of Israel in 1948 started the end-time clock. People began to see an increased presence of UFOs since the end of WW2.

Citizen Free Press on X: "Anna Paulina Luna broaches the topic of "interdimensional" beings: "It has become apparent that there is a movement, whether it's in the intelligence community or not, to prevent us from finding out more information on this." https://t.co/yQSs9q2cHW" / X

"Interdimensional" began to be a thing in 1999. I recall it well. Even in the church under the guise of "The Fourth Dimension" coined by Paul Yonggi Cho in 1979 "The Fourth Dimension: the Key to Putting your Faith to Work for a Successful Life" with foreword by Robert Schuller, a known heretic.
Schuller was known for the following:
"The Be-Happy Attitudes: Eight Positive Attitudes that Can Transform Your Life.
Believe in the God Who Believes in You.
The Greatest Possibility Thinker That Ever Lived.
Peace of Mind through Possibility Thinking.
Power Thoughts.
Self-Love: The Dynamic Force of Success.
You Can Become
the Person You Want to Be."

THAT sounds a LOT like the same junk the so called "aliens" teach through various "channelings" which of course is a forbidden practice according to Scripture.
This is an interesting read: The occult roots of higher-dimensional research in physics | Aeon Essays

I've heard it applied a LOT with so called aliens, but we are dealing with occult phenomenon, which indeed is a last days deception, as prophesied by the Scriptures. Anyone caught up in this stuff truly needs to repent and renounce any beliefs or practices associated with demons, aliens, fairies, spirits, or anything not of the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen!

Now "interdimensional" was coined prior to the 90s, but was not too popular till the 90s.
Oxford English Dictionary lists these entries:


  1. 1906
    Balator..did not so much as mention America to them or treat them otherwise than as companions, as if his was not only the cosmopolitanism that knows no municipal or continental aliens of its own class, but a kind of inter-dimensional cosmopolitanism as well.
    Z. Gale, Romance Island
    • 1932
      In solving this problem I developed both an inter-dimensional net to bring beings from your universe to mine, and an inter-dimensional gate to permit beings to pass from here back to worlds in your galaxy.
      H. K. Wells in Astounding Stories February
      • 1996
        The five are chosen, by an interdimensional being that calls itself Zordon, to defend their community and the world against alien invaders.
        Ultra-fan January
        • 2001
          Data..voiced his own hypothesis. ‘Captain, in my estimation, the purpose of this machine, this vessel, is for interdimensional travel.’
          D. Galanter & G. Brodeur, Maximum Warp: Book 2
 
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Why are UFOs probably demons?
Could y'all just keep the least hold on reality? Good grief, now any UNIDENTIFIED flying thing is a demon.
In 2009, Peter Davenport, Director of the National UFO Reporting Center, posted this complaint online:

We are receiving hundreds of reports every month of normal, terrestrial events, e.g. over-flights of the International Space Station, the Space Shuttle, or satellites; “flares” of light from “Iridium” satellites; the appearance of typical meteors; and observations of normal, “twinkling” stars, planets, contrails, clusters of balloons, etc. In fact, the overwhelming majority of reports that we receive now are of these normal objects and events, and processing the reports is taking a huge amount of our time... I believe the majority of time I spend on the Hotline is devoted to trying to convince people who have been staring for hours at a star or planet that the object of interest is not a UFO.
[10]

Now those ar the ones where there was enough data from the observation to tell what it really was, and wasn't.

But ah, you say, all the others are stil unidentifed, they must be demons!

Well, no. What that means is that in the remaning sightngs there wasn't enough information available to say with any certainty what they were. That means that the probability is that the rest of the sightings were just as boring and prosaic as the ones tjhat were idntified, but the observer didn't get a good enough look to tell what it was.

Could there be aliens/demons driving flying saucers out there? Sure, why not? Is that the way to bet? Well, considering that there is a not single single iota of verifiable information for any such thing, ever, then the answer is no.

If you want to keep believing in aliens/demons in flying saucers, fine. But understand that it's purely an exercise in faith. with no empirical evidence to back it up at all.

So are UFOs probably demons? From the standpoint of real-world evidence, that's a resounding no. It's purely a matter of faith.
Given that there is no mothership or base for the UFOs,

you can immediately see a problem. Where do the UFOs go when not in use for some reason? Hence, the increasing talk of interdimensionality.
And here you dive deeper into the realm of imaginative fiction. You take the probably nonexistent alien/demons and add a dollop or two more magic, and make them interdimensional. And once again, you're int the realm of faith, with no empirical basis for the idea at all.
At a minimum, you should understand that we are in the end-times right now.
Yeah, in 1918, and for many years thereafter the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (Jehovah's Witnesses) proclaimed that "The World Has Ended! Millions Now Living Will Never Die!" that was their slogan for a good many years, but they've since dropped it. It's very unlikely that millions who were alive in 1918 are still living. They just happened to be wrong.

The same has been true for every End Times doomsayer for the past couple of thousand years.

Now at some point it will be true, and our Lord will return in spite of the End Timer's predictions.

Your best bet is to be ready to die, because that has been the fate of everyone in history who isn't alive and breathing right now.
Many think the creation of Israel in 1948 started the end-time clock.
Yeah, but they've had to reset that clock a few times when after their "no later than 1988" notions flopped. They've extended the length of a "generation" to a century now, and I fully expect them to keep stretching that time until at some point they just stop talking abbout it (which is what the JWs did.)
People began to see an increased presence of UFOs since the end of WW2.
Which coincidentally corresponded to unimaginable increase in the number of aircraft in the skies. The wartime aircraft didn't disappear, and the skies were cluttered as never before.
"It has become apparent that there is a movement, whether it's in the intelligence community or not, to prevent us from finding out more information on this."
That's the most common sales pitch on the internet these days, innit? "the product that they don't want you to know about." No more effective sucker bait was ever invented.
 
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Could y'all just keep the least hold on reality? Good grief, now any UNIDENTIFIED flying thing is a demon.
In 2009, Peter Davenport, Director of the National UFO Reporting Center, posted this complaint online:

We are receiving hundreds of reports every month of normal, terrestrial events, e.g. over-flights of the International Space Station, the Space Shuttle, or satellites; “flares” of light from “Iridium” satellites; the appearance of typical meteors; and observations of normal, “twinkling” stars, planets, contrails, clusters of balloons, etc. In fact, the overwhelming majority of reports that we receive now are of these normal objects and events, and processing the reports is taking a huge amount of our time... I believe the majority of time I spend on the Hotline is devoted to trying to convince people who have been staring for hours at a star or planet that the object of interest is not a UFO.[10]

I totally agree with that. I saw one a couple years ago. It was a black floating parachute type thing at dusk. Against the glowing dark red of the fading sunset it was eerie watching it. I pointed it out to 3 or 4 others who immediately cried out "It's a UFO!" I figure it was probably a parachute from something or other, maybe one of those fireworks that carry lanterns and float on a parachute.
Even when the Chinese spy balloon flew over last February someone said "UFO!" And we knew the craft was due to fly over, but some people don't care to follow the news. I waved at the spy balloon and gave peace signs, LOL
 
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Hi everyone- a question. What is your take on the UFO phenomenon? Is it demonic? I think it may be a demonic deception. Back in the middle-ages people thought this was witches, now in modern-times it has switched to aliens. I have heard stories of people that were being abducted by aliens and they cried out to God and instantly it stopped! I am also not above thinking these UFOs may be an ultra deep-black secret US government aircraft, back in the 40's the Nazi Germans were working on anti-gravity, there is no telling what they have got and are working on today! Apparently there are things we have that are so secret even the President of the United States does not know about them!
The UFO phenomenon is a business.

If ETs arrived and integrated into our society, paranormal media outlets would lose about 75% of their content. Even the History Channel may lose a good portion of it's viewers.

The ploy seems to be to give the impression we're always on the verge of a government disclosure, or public made contact. That keeps people plugged into radio shows, pod-casts, etc.
 
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I don't watch videos in a discussion forum, one because it's generally a monumental waste of time, and two because vids on topics like this generally prove to be rubbish. What evidence do you have that the entire universe is full of deadly background radiation?
I gave you the evidence but you choose to ignore it
 
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Failed out the gate. Demons are demons. That "aliens" are demons is a nonsensical assertion given that there's noevidence at all that there are aliens. It's like saying frodises are demons; frodises don't exist. Before you can prove that aliens are demons, you first have to prove that there are aliens. I see no reason to believe that there are any.

Your descripions of aliens is interesting, but nothing to the point. Saying that aliens are demons is, once again, like saying that kelpies are demons, when there probably haven't ever been any kelpies.
I never said that Aliens are Demons. If you care to read what I said, you would find I said Demons can disguise themselves as anything. That means they can appear as your late grandmother, a pink elephant, a goblin or even a little green man from mars.
 
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Ad hom crap; go soak your head.

That seems certain, but hardly for any reason you're likely to admit.

Which of course means the unco (adverb : extremely, remarkably, uncommonly) spiritual like, maybe, you, right?

Except for the unco spiritual like, maybe, you, right?

Which of course means the unco spiritual like, maybe, you, right?

Hmmm... now who could that be? <Laugh>

Which of course means the unco spiritual like, maybe, you, right?

Because I'm not one of the unco spiritual like, maybe, you, right?

Good job you're one of the unco spiritual , then, innit?

Yep, invoking some kind of spiritual superiority stone cold trumps logic or reason, doesn't it?

That, and it prevents one from ever having to acknowledge that they don't have a clue what they're talking about.
As one of God's elect Saints, I don't have to doubt His Holy Inerrant Eternally True Word. I have been given the gift of faith, so I believe every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

It's a great blessing to have the gift of faith, it frees me from darkness and confusion. God said that, "they are constantly learning, but never coming to the knowledge of saving faith".

God's Saints don't get upset when someone tells them the truth, only those who don't know the truth are offended by it, when they hear it. God said, "you either love me or hate me". He also said there are only two kinds of people, Gods children and the children of the Devil. There are no other types of people.
 
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Threats that shouldn't exist should not be ignored. UFOs, 9/11 and COVID are in that category. Islam being the gang that can't shoot straight, and what COVID research? Whatever UFOs are, they are a threat.

If you don't take threats seriously, then the entire country is placed in danger. Hello, 9/11 and COVID. That's pretty much where America is right now. Most people are sleeping and vote accordingly. The UFO threat is merely a sideshow. The same people who ignore the UFO threat are also ignoring other threats, like the very real nuclear war threat. Also, It's strange that one can't fly into America without a VISA, but millions can just flood across the southern border. Any threats there?

The biggest thing about UFOs is that they have flight characteristics that we do not currently possess, such as right angle turns at extremely high speeds or extremely high acceleration. So if they are merely a foreign adversary then that is even worse. The military and other government officials are sleeping, which makes everything even worse. People who scoff at UFOs are really just pointing out a much worse problem.

"Three key witnesses testified at the hearing: Ryan Graves and David Fravor, two former U.S. Navy aviators who reported highly publicized encounters with unknown objects in military training airspace; and David Grusch, a decorated U.S. military combat veteran and Pentagon intelligence officer."

Source: US hiding evidence of UFOs, alien intellligence, whistleblower claims | Space

Apparently, unknown objects would wait for Navy aviators at the designated ingress/egress point they used for military air exercises. All planes must enter and exit the designated exercise area at this one point.

Why would the US hide information about UFOs? Because at a minimum UFOs expose a much bigger threat to the US.

And then there is the whole interdimensional/demon angle. They don't care if we see them, and they're not talking. Sounds bad.
 
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Threats that shouldn't exist should not be ignored. UFOs, 9/11 and COVID are in that category. Islam being the gang that can't shoot straight, and what COVID research? Whatever UFOs are, they are a threat.

If you don't take threats seriously, then the entire country is placed in danger. Hello, 9/11 and COVID. That's pretty much where America is right now. Most people are sleeping and vote accordingly. The UFO threat is merely a sideshow. The same people who ignore the UFO threat are also ignoring other threats, like the very real nuclear war threat. Also, It's strange that one can't fly into America without a VISA, but millions can just flood across the southern border. Any threats there?

The biggest thing about UFOs is that they have flight characteristics that we do not currently possess, such as right angle turns at extremely high speeds or extremely high acceleration. So if they are merely a foreign adversary then that is even worse. The military and other government officials are sleeping, which makes everything even worse. People who scoff at UFOs are really just pointing out a much worse problem.

"Three key witnesses testified at the hearing: Ryan Graves and David Fravor, two former U.S. Navy aviators who reported highly publicized encounters with unknown objects in military training airspace; and David Grusch, a decorated U.S. military combat veteran and Pentagon intelligence officer."

Source: US hiding evidence of UFOs, alien intellligence, whistleblower claims | Space

Apparently, unknown objects would wait for Navy aviators at the designated ingress/egress point they used for military air exercises. All planes must enter and exit the designated exercise area at this one point.

Why would the US hide information about UFOs? Because at a minimum UFOs expose a much bigger threat to the US.

And then there is the whole interdimensional/demon angle. They don't care if we see them, and they're not talking. Sounds bad.
The governments around the world, keep their current technology secret for at least 50 years before they release information to the public. We have to wait 50 years for them to declassify their secrets. By then todays UFO's will be old fashioned technology and we will have far more advanced UFO's to deal with.
 
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