3 US troops killed, 25 injured in drone attack in Jordan

[mindlight]

This makes me mad as hell! Either we withdraw all troops from harm's way or Shock and Awe the Iranians. Having our kids picked off one by one is not right. Just like the Iranian-backed Houthis and the mess in the Red Sea eventually, they'll get lucky and kill innocent civilians trying to make a living and the target is us. and UK .

All-out fight or all-out flight. Maybe there is a wiser approach that can take out the bad guys without escalating the situation.

 

[Laodicean60]

All-out fight or all-out flight. Maybe there is a wiser approach that can take out the bad guys without escalating the situation.

What might that be?

 

[mindlight]

What might that be?

Something to do with drones, missiles and seals perhaps

 

[Laodicean60]

Something to do with drones, missiles and seals perhaps

What is the result of using all these? I come at this from an American standpoint and I don't know how much skin NATO has in the game, or how many members are killed but I hear Americans on my media. The Iran-backed Houthis are targeting innocent civilians on ships in the Red Sea and who are providing support to them. Eventually, someone is going to die there.

 

[wing2000]

.....would explain the lack of air defense response:

Air defenses failed to stop a deadly attack on a U.S. military outpost in Jordan on Sunday because the hostile drone homed in on its target at the same time an American drone was returning to the base, two U.S. officials said Monday.

The return of the American surveillance drone to the remote resupply base prompted some confusion over whether the incoming drone was friendly or not, and air defenses were not immediately activated, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an internal investigation into the matter. Two other drones that attacked other locations nearby were shot down, they added.

Widening Mideast Crisis: Mix-Up Preceded Deadly Drone Strike in Jordan, U.S. Officials Say

The three U.S. service members killed Sunday were the first known American military deaths since Israel’s war with Hamas in Gaza began. The U.N. aid organization there said it will soon run out of money.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Nithavela]

How many of the ducks in the pond need to be killed before it should be a Hot war or withdrawal? When the media says Iran backed that's all I need to hear. It's easy to ride the fence when you have no skin in the game. I can place myself in a parent's shoes and imagine the day I receive a telegram.

In my mind, there are only two. Since you didn't mention withdrawal you accept the status quo. If we can withdraw from Afghanistan what about the rest of the Middle East?

Did you know that the US has also sponsored terrorists, in places like Cuba, Colombia, Italy and Nicaragua?

I'm not saying this to distract from Iran being bad because of sponsoring this terrorism, but to suggest that maybe "shock and awe" without any other consideration isn't the best strategy. Or can you imagine Italy shock-and-awing the USA?

 

[Laodicean60]

Did you know that the US has also sponsored terrorists, in places like Cuba, Colombia, Italy and Nicaragua?

I'm not saying this to distract from Iran being bad because of sponsoring this terrorism, but to suggest that maybe "shock and awe" without any other consideration isn't the best strategy. Or can you imagine Italy shock-and-awing the USA?

We've done a lot of nasty things for regime change and for whatever we did in the past. I can't think of one that did us any good. Thank you for the information I need to read about that.

 

[Laodicean60]

The lack of a defense response is not the issue or excuse it's the reason we need a defense response in the first place. When a ship gets sunk and civilians die that also will be a lack of defense response in the Red Sea. And from an economic point of view, they are using $10 missiles while we use $100 missiles, and eventually, we'll run out of money unless we get more help from NATO.

US unveils international force to defend Red Sea. Here’s what we know.

Several nations have announced their contributions to Operation Prosperity Guardian, a new multinational security initiative in the Middle East.

www.defensenews.com

 

[Nithavela]

We've done a lot of nasty things for regime change and for whatever we did in the past. I can't think of one that did us any good. Thank you for the information I need to read about that.

Wanting to strike back with full force is a natural human instinct that does not serve us well on the stage of international politics. Things are far too complicated and interlinked for things to get too much out of hand.

For example, how will your allies perceive you if you start another fire in the middle east? What will be the reaction of countries which house US bases in the middle east? How would you even attack Iran? That country is no pushover. How will the internal resistance of the people of Iran against their regime suffer? What will happen to the raw materials and products Iran exports?

This stuff is complicated, and anyone trying to sell you an easy solution to a complicated problem is only taking advantage of your desires.

 

[Laodicean60]

Wanting to strike back with full force is a natural human instinct that does not serve us well on the stage of international politics.

That's why we should withdraw.

For example, how will your allies perceive you if you start another fire in the middle east? What will be the reaction of countries which house US bases in the middle east? How would you even attack Iran? That country is no pushover. How will the internal resistance of the people of Iran against their regime suffer? What will happen to the raw materials and products Iran exports?

I don't hear of NATO forces being killed maybe they are. We have a target on our back in the Middle East. Is Jordan helping at all? Why are we there? I hate to sound mean but I don't care what our allies think if they are not participating.

Another thing is Saudi Arabia (friend?) has been fighting a proxy war in Yemen for several years against Iran and since the Houthis have caused all this havoc in the Red Sea, Saudi Arabia is as quiet as church mice. Wouldn't it be more advantageous to put more pressure and winning their proxy? Since Saudi Arabia is a BRICS nation now might have something to do with it. We need to rethink our foreign policy.

 

[wing2000]

The Pentagon on Monday identified the dead soldiers as Sgt. William Jerome Rivers, 46, of Carrollton, Ga.; Spec. Kennedy Ladon Sanders, 24, of Waycross, Ga.; and Spec. Breonna Alexsondria Moffett, 23, of Savannah, Ga. The three soldiers were assigned to the 718th Engineer Company, 926th Engineer Battalion, 926th Engineer Brigade, an Army Reserve unit based in Fort Moore, Ga.

A U.S. drone was returning as another attacked the base, confusing air defenses.

The attack on Sunday killed three Army reservists, the first known American military deaths from hostile fire in the turmoil spilling over from Israel’s war with Hamas.

www.nytimes.com

 

[IceJad]

I agree, My boys were coming to age and talked about joining the military. Then the Benghazi issue came up and thats when I realized that the government didn't care about our kids. Now it's all about regime change. Yes, we do have a hard decision to make but the status quo makes me sick to my stomach.

It must be hard. I personally have nothing against a military tradition. To serve ones nation is an honorable deed. Yet when you see who controls a nation, you can't help but feel the nobility sucked out of it.

 

[Laodicean60]

It must be hard. I personally have nothing against a military tradition. To serve ones nation is an honorable deed. Yet when you see who controls a nation, you can't help but feel the nobility sucked out of it.

I am a patriot and maybe a little brainwashed back then in our fight against communism. I would go fight tomorrow if the government needed people. It might take this old dude a little while to get in shape lol I was adamant against my son's joining. We have a decline in enlistment and maybe more parents feeling the same way I did. As you mentioned before what are we there for? What's our mission? I think most of the countries we are in don't like us but tolerate us. One giant conundrum!

 

[IceJad]

I am a patriot and maybe a little brainwashed back then in our fight against communism. I would go fight tomorrow if the government needed people. It might take this old dude a little while to get in shape lol I was adamant against my son's joining. We have a decline in enlistment and maybe more parents feeling the same way I did. As you mentioned before what are we there for? What's our mission? I think most of the countries we are in don't like us but tolerate us. One giant conundrum!

I believe you did right by your son. There must be a purpose to serve. The service can't be the end in itself. It is true the US military has no purpose or aim in these nations. It's nothing more than trying to win a friend when it's obvious to all they are not interested. At best they tolerate you at worst they undermine you while ripping the benefits from you.

 

[Nithavela]

I don't hear of NATO forces being killed maybe they are.

US forces are also NATO forces.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

This feels like someone trying to goad the US into a response.

 

[Tuur]

..."shock and awe" over Bagdad is how we got into this mess in the first place.

We "got into this mess" when the Ayatollah Khomeini overthrew the Shaw. Iran has believed its been in a war with the US since then, and there's no reason not to take them at their word.

 

[Tuur]

I would go fight tomorrow if the government needed people.

The WH press secretary said the three died fighting for the administration. See: MSN

 

[wing2000]

We "got into this mess" when the Ayatollah Khomeini overthrew the Shaw. Iran has believed its been in a war with the US since then, and there's no reason not to take them at their word.

....and we did Iran a favor by taking out their enemy.

However, if we're looking at history, we really got into Iran's business when we orchestrated a coup in 1953.

 

[Laodicean60]

We "got into this mess" when the Ayatollah Khomeini overthrew the Shaw. Iran has believed its been in a war with the US since then, and there's no reason not to take them at their word.

I know our meddling, just like Ukraine.