the myth of flat earth debunked again

[MForbes]

……your arguments do not hold up to the truth.

Your “truth”……
Which is based on nothing but your ignorance of reality.

 

[Aussie Pete]

The flat earth offers the ideal vacation. You fly to the closest island to the edge of the flat earth. Then you take a helicopter ride to the edge and marvel at the mother of all waterfalls, as the ocean plummets over the edge into outer space. It's a real hoot!

Global warming, sorry, flat earth warming is a real problem. The ice is melting and that means the sea will go over the edge. I suppose we will have more land to live on. I also wonder how God managed to flood the earth without the water going over the edge of the earth.

 

[Aussie Pete]

If that passage in the Bible, (not my words) is about me and my kind, truthers, who should you listen to?

The earth is as the Bible describes, stationary with a dome over it,
[Gen. 1:7, Job 37:18, Isaiah 40:22, Job 9:8, Isaiah 45:7, Isaiah 44:24, Psalms 19:1-7, Isaiah 66:1, Psalms 104:1-35, Job 38:4-11]

Proverbs 30:2-4 is the divine word of God and directly relates to our discussion.
It begins with a little sarcasm.

"Surely I am more stupid than any man, and have not the understanding of a man,
I neither learned wisdom nor have the understanding of the Holy One,
Who has ascended up to heaven or descended? Who has gathered the winds in His fists?
Who has bound the waters in a garment? (the waters are under the sky, in the sky)
Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is His name? And what is His Sons name, if you know it?"
Proverbs 30:2-4

Elijah was taken up into heaven by a chariot with horses; 2 Kings 2:11

Jesus bodily ascended up: Acts 1 :9-11

That passage does not say specifically where Jesus went, just that He ascended up beyond the clouds.
Paul says we will be "in the air" "in the clouds" with Jesus when He returns.

If we don't add anything, and don't pay attention to "oppositions of science" as Paul said,
we will not be deceived or confused.

According to Genesis, God covered the earth with water during Noah's flood. How deep would the water have to be to cover Mount Everest? The earth is not surrounded by 40,000 ft mountains. So the water would have gone over the edge of the earth. Flat earth is implausible even before you take into account actual observations of the globe.

 

[MForbes]

I also wonder how God managed to flood the earth without the water going over the edge of the earth.

Well, the water went to the edges, and it was cold enough to freeze and create Antarctica! Man, some of you need to go to kawledge so you can understand simple sients.

 

[Aussie Pete]

So indeed it is a ring of satellites, orbiting at the equator.
If one reads this whole thread carefully, you guys have been defeated, your arguments do not hold up to the truth.

What a ridiculous statement. Tell me one FE argument that has not been shown to be false? Show me one map produced by FE explorers. Your FE map is simply a flattened out globe, hardly an accurate representation of the truth. FE adherents are deluded. It is that simple.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Well, the water went to the edges, and it was cold enough to freeze and create Antarctica! Man, some of you need to go to kawledge so you can understand simple sients.

The problem with that is the height of the ice wall. It's nowhere near 40,000 feet.

 

[MForbes]

The problem with that is the height of the ice wall. It's nowhere near 40,000 feet.

You do realize my post is poking fun at FE folks, right?

 

[Aussie Pete]

You do realize my post is poking fun at FE folks, right?

Yes. I'm trying to get a bite out of them.

 

[BobRyan]

Well, the water went to the edges, and it was cold enough to freeze and create Antarctica! Man, some of you need to go to kawledge so you can understand simple sients.

Is there a "north pole" surrounding the entire flat-earth plate on any of the FE maps?
Do the edges of "Earth-plate" stretch out so far into the universe that there is not enough light from the Sun or heat from the Earth to keep them from being frozen all year?

Without a round Earth - there can be no geostationary satellites -- is it the FE argument that they don't exist either?

Without a round Earth - you can't fly west from Los Angeles and eventually get to Atlanta or D.C. without first cross back over the entire US. So FE arguments say they have no family or friends or business associates who fly east from Atlanta and then return via the westcoast of America - or who have ever flown west from LA and come back via the East coast.

Seriously??

 

[BobRyan]

The satellites are bunched up like a ball orbiting around the earth at the equator line?


So anything orbiting the earth must be doing so at the equator?
The animation shown by another earlier in this thread is not correct, no such orbits are possible?
We're not talking about a circle, but a supposed ball, a globe.
If the equator is generally the middle of the globe,
therefore things orbiting on that line would be like a ring around the globe, tilted or otherwise.

The Earth is essentially a ball and it has a "Center of gravity" no matter which way one flies. so yes there are polar orbits the go from pole-to-pole and back around. All you need a center of gravity around which to orbit.

 

[MForbes]

Seriously??

NO.....NOT SERIOUSLY. My post was a joke man! SMH.......some folks just don't get my jokes.

Hint:
The intentional misspelling of the word "college" (kawledge)
The intentional misspelling of the word "science" (sients)

 

[BobRyan]

Yes. I'm trying to get a bite out of them.

have any shown up here?

 

[BobRyan]

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I love that "flat-Earth-Plate" - but I notice that it is not frozen at all the edges to keep the water from falling off.

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I note that they have no "frozen edges" around the "flat earth plate" so I guess all the water just falls off.... especially during the flood event.

 

[BobRyan]

NO.....NOT SERIOUSLY. My post was a joke man! SMH.......some folks just don't get my jokes.

Hint:
The intentional misspelling of the word "college" (kawledge)
The intentional misspelling of the word "science" (sients)

yes I changed my post from saying "you" to "FE" once I saw that.

 

[MForbes]

I love that "flat-Earth-Plate" - but I notice that it is not frozen at all the edges to keep the water from falling off.

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Here's how the FE folks who believe in a "round flat earth" view it:

 

[Tuur]

Is there a "north pole" surrounding the entire flat-earth plate on any of the FE maps?

I'm curious as to what's at the center. If you have an azimuth equal distance projection map centered on your location, it can be a handy thing, but it's practically useless for another location some distance away.

 

[Ragdoll]

And God said, let there be lights in the firmament of the sky to give light upon the land: and it was so.
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night:
He made the stars also.
And God set them in the firmament of the sky to give light upon the land.
Genesis 1:14-17 (1:8,10)

Have you with Him spread out the sky, which is hard as a molten looking glass?
Job 37:18

And I saw an angel, standing in the sun;
and he cried with a loud voice saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of the sky,
Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God.
Revelation 19:17

Where is the angel of Revelation 19:17 standing, inside or outside of the sky?
Where do birds fly, inside or outside of the sky?


Show me the six flags that are supposedly on the moon, nice clear color modern images of them.
They supposedly sent a probe millions of miles to the sun, the Parker solar probe, and took nice close up color images of the sun,
there are supposedly 13,000+ satellites, some to take photos of the earth, nice close up photos of streets, buildings people and all..
show me the flags that are supposedly on the moon, nice clear color modern images of them.

People generally know very little about how we got the Bible? This includes all the translating that went into it. Unfortunately, The Jewish priests did not have a happy equivalent for the Hebrew word רָקִיעַ râqîyaʻ. So they had to use what available word they had which was translated to the Greek word στερέωμα stereōma. Since the Romans copied everything about Greek culture, Latin had a tendency to follow Greek and there are many good examples of this. Thus from stereōma we get firmament from the Latin Vulgate. But neither word truly defines the Hebrew râqîyaʻ since in Hebrew it means expanse. The matter is settled today and well understood as most translations today are using expanse over firmament because that is what raqia intended to mean. While the LXX is considered the most accurate translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, even more accurate than the Masotetic Texts, its still not perfect. And raqia is such a classic case where translating a word didn't work out due to the differences in the langiages (as there was no word in Greek for raqia).

The Revelation verses you're reading entirely wrong.

The sky is stronger than metal and that is proven in science. The verse, however, does not say the say is made out of metal or solid metal sky. But the sky is stronger then metal.

There are over 68 sphere/globe earth verses in the Bible. I have access to them all.

The problem with modern English translations is that they all draw from the KJV which drew 90% of it's renderings from the 1560 Geneva Bible which was the worst translation of the 16th century (though better than many modern translations today). None of the translators of the Geneva Bible were high churchmen. The Geneva scholars had no serious experience in translating and lacked the discipline. And while their translation wasn't as bad as some of those out there today, it laid the foundation for what would become the flat earth allegation. This is because the word "world" in Scripture was overly simplified by the Puritans and the meaning of the Hebrew word תֵּבֵל têbêl was lost in translation. Now had the Puritans stuck to William Tyndale's renderings the flat earth allegation would have never happened. Tyndale was the best translator in English speaking history. The Bibles classified as Tyndale Bibles today are still the most overall accurate Bibles to date.

1535 Coverdale Bible

1537 Matthew's Bible.

1539 Great Bible

1568 Bishop's Bible

These are the Bibles classified as Tyndale Bibles with the Matthew's Bible bearing the most of Tyndale's renderings.
So when we get to words like תֵּבֵל têbêl, Tyndale correctly translated the word just as scholars centuries before him also did. The word means the habitable globe, or round world, and other phrases of that type. Its a word that is used in context with the earth as a globe along with its inhabitants. The Hebrew word chuwg just describes a sphere and is not used in the context along with the inhabitants. So, in simple terms, if you just want to say globe or sphere you say chuwg in Hebrew. If you want to say the globe and its inhabitants you say tebel. So if I say "people of the world" I have also implied the globular shape of the earth. Today people don't even know what a "world" is? People tend to think of that word as a space filler in a sentence. But even in English the word means globe/sphere whenever used in context with the earth as a planet.

 

[contratodo]

But the sky is stronger then metal.

Yes, that is what Job 37:18 says, and John 3:13 says no man has ascended up to heaven.
Therefore the statement by Nixon to the astronauts 'the heavens have become mans realm' is clearly blaspheme.
During operation 'Fishbowl' during operation 'Dominique' in the 1960's nuclear bombs were shot up at the sky.
I believe they at that time were trying to penetrate the sky in earnest, but they tell us it was just 'high altitude' tests.
No man has ever penetrated the sky, it is hard as a molten cast metal looking glass,
with a city that has streets of transparent gold on top.

And a circle is not a ball.
The land is in a circle, not a ball.

Isaiah 40:22​

It is Him that sits above the circle of the land.....​

[Genesis 1:10 defines 'earth' for us as 'dry land']

Isaiah 22:18​

He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball​

In Isaiah 22:18 we see the word ball used.
Therefore in Isaiah 40:22 circle means circle, not ball.

The totality of scripture about creation gives a clear description.
That link shows all and every verse about it with a picture of what is clearly described.

 

[contratodo]

According to Genesis, God covered the earth with water during Noah's flood. How deep would the water have to be to cover Mount Everest? The earth is not surrounded by 40,000 ft mountains. So the water would have gone over the edge of the earth.

You quoted a piece of what I said that includes a list of Bible verses that can be clicked on that leads to a good image of the earth as the Bible describes, with all the verses about it. I hand drew that image. At the edge is the sky, we are under the dome of the sky.

We are under a dome that is suspended in water, the water is eternally deep and eternally expands left and right.
The water is flowing from the throne of God [Rev 22:1] that is in the open in the middle of the heavenly city, that city is literally on top of the sky.
[In the end, that city comes down Rev 21:1-2]
The sky has windows in it that can be opened, during the flood those windows were opened,
allowing water to pour directly in and fill the place up.

"In the six hundred year of Noah's life.... all the fountains of the great deep were broken up,
and the windows of the sky were opened." Genesis 7:11

The land is surrounded by the sky. A flat plane under the sky, just as we experience.

 

[MForbes]

Yes, that is what Job 37:18 says, and John 3:13 says no man has ascended up to heaven.
Therefore the statement by Nixon to the astronauts 'the heavens have become mans realm' is clearly blaspheme.
During operation 'Fishbowl' during operation 'Dominique' in the 1960's nuclear bombs were shot up at the sky.
I believe they at that time were trying to penetrate the sky in earnest, but they tell us it was just 'high altitude' tests.
No man has ever penetrated the sky, it is hard as a molten cast metal looking glass,
with a city that has streets of transparent gold on top.

And a circle is not a ball.
The land is in a circle, not a ball.

Isaiah 40:22​

It is Him that sits above the circle of the land.....​

[Genesis 1:10 defines 'earth' for us as 'dry land']

Isaiah 22:18​

He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball​

In Isaiah 22:18 we see the word ball used.
Therefore in Isaiah 40:22 circle means circle, not ball.

The totality of scripture about creation gives a clear description.
That link shows all and every verse about it with a picture of what is clearly described.

You quoted a piece of what I said that includes a list of Bible verses that can be clicked on that leads to a good image of the earth as the Bible describes, with all the verses about it. I hand drew that image. At the edge is the sky, we are under the dome of the sky.

We are under a dome that is suspended in water, the water is eternally deep and eternally expands left and right.
The water is flowing from the throne of God [Rev 22:1] that is in the open in the middle of the heavenly city, that city is literally on top of the sky.
[In the end, that city comes down Rev 21:1-2]
The sky has windows in it that can be opened, during the flood those windows were opened,
allowing water to pour directly in and fill the place up.

"In the six hundred year of Noah's life.... all the fountains of the great deep were broken up,
and the windows of the sky were opened." Genesis 7:11

The land is surrounded by the sky. A flat plane under the sky, just as we experience.

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