How come every rule, law, industry, country seems to be against the USA right?

[RocksInMyHead]

You post this but you’re not a Biden supporter and not liberal?

Disliking the current state of the GOP does not a Biden supporter (or a liberal) make.

 

[BPPLEE]

Disliking the current state of the GOP does not a Biden supporter (or a liberal) make.

Circle the wagons!

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Circle the wagons!

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Stevil said something critical of the current GOP, and you seemed incredulous that he could say that while not being a liberal or a Biden supporter. I was just pointing out that we don't live in a world in which there are only two choices. It's far from crazy for someone who is conservative and not a fan of Biden to still be critical of today's Republican party.

 

[keith99]

Disliking the current state of the GOP does not a Biden supporter (or a liberal) make.

I would expect the people who are most upset about the current state of the Republican party are traditional conservative Republicans.

 

[stevil]

You post this but you’re not a Biden supporter and not liberal?

I don't live in USA, I don't support Democratic Party or Republican Party, couldn't care less about the parties.

Try not to fit me into USA political boxes.
In my country, I've voted for left, I've voted for right, I've voted for centre. I do not consider myself affiliated with any party.
I'm not idealogical, I consider myself pragmatic.
I'm not scared of Capitalism, I'm not scared of Socialism. I prefer a Mixed economy.

The thing about USA politics is that not many USA right wing folk talk about economic policies, they seem singularly focused on rights.
Rights to be selfish (a.k.a. don't force me to wear a mask to save others, don't force me to get vaccinated to save others, don't tax me to help the poor, don't tax me to prevent unwanted pregnancies, don't tax me to pay for abortions, don't take my guns away, don't force trans or gay into my view, don't encrouch on my religious liberties).
But they also are ideoligists (what about 1st amendment, what about 2nd ammendment)
and they seem very insecure or scared about the country being open to other religions or non religions other than Christianity
and they seem very insecure or scared about people that don't look like them and don't share the same culture as them. They seem to want to protect the current state, the status quo, and are worried about white Christians being "replaced".

I don't share any or these traits or concerns.

But my main problem, and perhaps why I spend so much time here. It all the lies that they believe, all the mischaracterisations, it's pretty weird. I don't see anywhere near that level coming from the USA left. When you watch non right wing media it is about specifics. Trump did this today, Guiliani did this, Bannon did this, but when you watch USA right wing media it is the radical left are doing this, they hate the country, they are out to get you, they're going to take your guns, they cancel you, they ban you from social media, they have open borders because they want to destroy the USA. It's insane, and it never stops.

 

[stevil]

You post this but you’re not a Biden supporter and not liberal?

If you are actually interested in my thoughts on fiscal, and govt intervention in the market place, or on big govt vs small govt then ask. But nobody on this forum on the right talks about such things, they just want to talk about Trans, woke, Southern border, guns, masks, covid vaccinations, BLM, antifa

 

[stevil]

Wrap Up: Biden Administration’s Policies Have Fueled Worst Border Crisis in U.S. History - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

oversight.house.gov

It seems that although the Democratic party and many Republicans are willing to come to some sort of compromise in order to improve border controls and measures, D Trump himself is putting pressure on the Republicans to not allow any improvements to happen.

It seems D Trump wants to campaign on the Southern Border and wants it to be as bad as possible.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/25/politics/gop-senators-angry-trump-immigration-deal/index.html

Now, Republicans on Capitol Hill are grappling with the reality that most in the GOP are loathe to do anything that is seen as potentially undermining the former president. And the prospects of a deal being scuttled before it has even been finalized has sparked tensions and confusion in the Senate GOP as they try to figure out if, and how, to proceed – even as McConnell made clear during party lunches Thursday that he remains firmly behind the effort to strike a deal, according to attendees.

“I think the border is a very important issue for Donald Trump. And the fact that he would communicate to Republican senators and congresspeople that he doesn’t want us to solve the border problem because he wants to blame Biden for it is … really appalling,” said GOP Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah, who has been an outspoken critic of Trump.

 

[JustOneWay]

You post this but you’re not a Biden supporter and not liberal?

One need not be a republican or democrat to see the double standards and blatant hypocrisy of Jordan ignoring a subpoena or barring a vote on Garland and rushing in Barret.

But my main problem, and perhaps why I spend so much time here. It all the lies that they believe, all the mischaracterisations, it's pretty weird. I don't see anywhere near that level coming from the USA left. When you watch non right wing media it is about specifics. Trump did this today, Guiliani did this, Bannon did this, but when you watch USA right wing media it is the radical left are doing this, they hate the country, they are out to get you, they're going to take your guns, they cancel you, they ban you from social media, they have open borders because they want to destroy the USA. It's insane, and it never stops.

Well said. Yes, most of the stuff you hear from the American right today is projection.

 

[BPPLEE]

It seems that although the Democratic party and many Republicans are willing to come to some sort of compromise in order to improve border controls and measures, D Trump himself is putting pressure on the Republicans to not allow any improvements to happen.

It seems D Trump wants to campaign on the Southern Border and wants it to be as bad as possible.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/25/politics/gop-senators-angry-trump-immigration-deal/index.html

Now, Republicans on Capitol Hill are grappling with the reality that most in the GOP are loathe to do anything that is seen as potentially undermining the former president. And the prospects of a deal being scuttled before it has even been finalized has sparked tensions and confusion in the Senate GOP as they try to figure out if, and how, to proceed – even as McConnell made clear during party lunches Thursday that he remains firmly behind the effort to strike a deal, according to attendees.

“I think the border is a very important issue for Donald Trump. And the fact that he would communicate to Republican senators and congresspeople that he doesn’t want us to solve the border problem because he wants to blame Biden for it is … really appalling,” said GOP Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah, who has been an outspoken critic of Trump.

The Democratic Party’s plan was to allow 5,000 entries a day. That’s 1,825,000 a year. Can you see why Republicans might not want to make that compromise?

 

[BPPLEE]

I don't live in USA, I don't support Democratic Party or Republican Party, couldn't care less about the parties.

Try not to fit me into USA political boxes.
In my country, I've voted for left, I've voted for right, I've voted for centre. I do not consider myself affiliated with any party.
I'm not idealogical, I consider myself pragmatic.
I'm not scared of Capitalism, I'm not scared of Socialism. I prefer a Mixed economy.

The thing about USA politics is that not many USA right wing folk talk about economic policies, they seem singularly focused on rights.
Rights to be selfish (a.k.a. don't force me to wear a mask to save others, don't force me to get vaccinated to save others, don't tax me to help the poor, don't tax me to prevent unwanted pregnancies, don't tax me to pay for abortions, don't take my guns away, don't force trans or gay into my view, don't encrouch on my religious liberties).
But they also are ideoligists (what about 1st amendment, what about 2nd ammendment)
and they seem very insecure or scared about the country being open to other religions or non religions other than Christianity
and they seem very insecure or scared about people that don't look like them and don't share the same culture as them. They seem to want to protect the current state, the status quo, and are worried about white Christians being "replaced".

I don't share any or these traits or concerns.

But my main problem, and perhaps why I spend so much time here. It all the lies that they believe, all the mischaracterisations, it's pretty weird. I don't see anywhere near that level coming from the USA left. When you watch non right wing media it is about specifics. Trump did this today, Guiliani did this, Bannon did this, but when you watch USA right wing media it is the radical left are doing this, they hate the country, they are out to get you, they're going to take your guns, they cancel you, they ban you from social media, they have open borders because they want to destroy the USA. It's insane, and it never stops.

You say you dislike right wing media because they frame everything as left vs right then you post this and do the exact same thing you claim to dislike

 

[stevil]

You say you dislike right wing media because they frame everything as left vs right then you post this and do the exact same thing you claim to dislike

I'm not saying all USA right wingers are racists or election deniers or Covid conspiracy theorists or hate USA or are Radical or....
I said "not many USA right wing folk talk about economic policies" which is true given my experience on this forum. I haven't seen any threads about economic policies, or about alternatives to medicare or ways to balance power between employer and employees etc.

 

[stevil]

The Democratic Party’s plan was to allow 5,000 entries a day. That’s 1,825,000 a year. Can you see why Republicans might not want to make that compromise?

It seems that many Republicans do. And it seems that would be less than what is being allowed to enter today, so a step forward rather than nothing at all.

But according to Romney, Trump is instructing people to not accept anything, because he wants to campaign on how bad the border is.

 

[BPPLEE]

I'm not saying all USA right wingers are racists or election deniers or Covid conspiracy theorists or hate USA or are Radical or....
I said "not many USA right wing folk talk about economic policies" which is true given my experience on this forum. I haven't seen any threads about economic policies, or about alternatives to medicare or ways to balance power between employer and employees etc.

Yeah not all of them. That’s like saying “ Not all blacks are on welfare and born out of wedlock “

 

[stevil]

Yeah not all of them. That’s like saying “ Not all blacks are on welfare and born out of wedlock “

Tell me which bit I said that was generalising all USA right wingers that you have taken offence to.

 

[BPPLEE]

Tell me which bit I said that was generalising all USA right wingers that you have taken offence to.

@stevil said “I'm not saying all USA right wingers are racists or election deniers or Covid conspiracy theorists or hate USA or are Radical or....”
You’ve made your bias clear despite what you claim. Your preference is obvious.

 

[stevil]

@stevil said “I'm not saying all USA right wingers are racists or election deniers or Covid conspiracy theorists or hate USA or are Radical or....”
You’ve made your bias clear despite what you claim. Your preference is obvious.

No I haven't made any bias clear.

Please find something from the post you were responding to. Where you were accusing me of stuff.
Please don't just come back with nonsense like this last post of yours. I'm trying to be civil here.

 

[BPPLEE]

No I haven't made any bias clear.

Please find something from the post you were responding to. Where you were accusing me of stuff.
Please don't just come back with nonsense like this last post of yours. I'm trying to be civil here.

I just posted what you posted. If you can’t see it I can’t help you
It’s like if I said “Not all people on the left are closet racists, perverts, live in white neighborhoods and have very little contact with minorities, are hypocrites, are,,,,”

 

[stevil]

I just posted what you posted. If you can’t see it I can’t help you
It’s like if I said “Not all people on the left are closet racists, perverts, live in white neighborhoods and have very little contact with minorities, are hypocrites, are,,,,”

Dude, you're being disingenuous.

You said "You say you dislike right wing media because they frame everything as left vs right then you post this and do the exact same thing you claim to dislike"

I'm trying to get from you, why you made that comment. What was it that I has said about the right that made you think I was doing the exact same thing.

At the moment, you are quoting a comment from me, which I posted after that comment you made.
You are also putting much spin on the comment you are quoting from me. Completely disengenuous.

I'm trying to be open, and cordial with you. Why do I get this rubbish back?

 

[BPPLEE]

Dude, you're being disingenuous.

You said "You say you dislike right wing media because they frame everything as left vs right then you post this and do the exact same thing you claim to dislike"

I'm trying to get from you, why you made that comment. What was it that I has said about the right that made you think I was doing the exact same thing.

At the moment, you are quoting a comment from me, which I posted after that comment you made.
You are also putting much spin on the comment you are quoting from me. Completely disengenuous.

I'm trying to be open, and cordial with you. Why do I get this rubbish back?

You’re trying to avoid responsibility for what you posted. You want me to address something else. I would say it’s you being disingenuous.
I will go back and look at the post your referencing but that doesn’t give you a pass for your comments

 

[BPPLEE]

Dude, you're being disingenuous.

You said "You say you dislike right wing media because they frame everything as left vs right then you post this and do the exact same thing you claim to dislike"

I'm trying to get from you, why you made that comment. What was it that I has said about the right that made you think I was doing the exact same thing.

At the moment, you are quoting a comment from me, which I posted after that comment you made.
You are also putting much spin on the comment you are quoting from me. Completely disengenuous.

I'm trying to be open, and cordial with you. Why do I get this rubbish back?

@stevil said
“The thing about USA politics is that not many USA right wing folk talk about economic policies, they seem singularly focused on rights.
Rights to be selfish (a.k.a. don't force me to wear a mask to save others, don't force me to get vaccinated to save others, don't tax me to help the poor, don't tax me to prevent unwanted pregnancies, don't tax me to pay for abortions, don't take my guns away, don't force trans or gay into my view, don't encrouch on my religious liberties).
But they also are ideoligists (what about 1st amendment, what about 2nd ammendment)
and they seem very insecure or scared about the country being open to other religions or non religions other than Christianity
and they seem very insecure or scared about people that don't look like them and don't share the same culture as them. They seem to want to protect the current state, the status quo, and are worried about white Christians being "replaced".”
Oh, but not all of them, right?