Did Men Really Walk On The Moon?

[RDKirk]

While I'm not totally into the it was fake camp. It's still rather strange to me that landing on the Moon is considered a monumental feat these days, with today's technology, whereas multiple back to back moonwalks took place in the early 70s?

This is a state of the art hard drive from the early 70's. It weighed about 550 lbs (249 kg).

The first landing on the moon certainly was a monumental feat, as were the subsequent landings. NASA was getting nearly as much of the budget as the Defense Department back then. They're only getting a tiny fraction of that amount today.

 

[ozso]

The first landing on the moon certainly was a monumental feat, as were the subsequent landings. NASA was getting nearly as much of the budget as the Defense Department back then. They're only getting a tiny fraction of that amount today.

Budget is the number one reason given for why moon missions suddenly became beyond the reach of anyone to accomplish in the following decades. But considering there were 135 space shuttle missions, how much of a problem has cost really been? Based on a quick look, the estimate for SpaceX / Artemis to do it is $3 billion. That's not very much money these days. The US military budget is $1.52 Trillion for example. What's $3 billion out of 1.5 trillion?

 

[RDKirk]

Budget is the number one reason given for why moon missions suddenly became beyond the reach of anyone to accomplish in the following decades. But considering there were 135 space shuttle missions, how much of a problem has cost really been? Based on a quick look, the estimate for SpaceX / Artemis to do it is $3 billion. That's not very much money these days. The US military budget is $1.52 Trillion for example. What's $3 billion out of 1.5 trillion?

Three billion is a drop in the bucket.

 

[NxNW]

Pretty sure that they were well aware that they never did walk on the moon, were told that they would, fully believed that they were going to and now have to sit in front of the world and pretend that they did.... knowing, as intelligent men, that they never did.

If Neil Armstrong never walked on the moon, he wouldn't have secretly kept some of the equipment stashed at home as a souvenir for his family to find after his death.

 

[NxNW]

Now, people are trying to tell me that we went to the moon.... and back... in the most harsh environment with the most drastic temperature variants and pressure differentials...over thousands of miles with the most explosive launch vehicles.... what was it six time? With only one failure that managed to get back to earth safely? In a basically a tin can with a computer less than a childs "leap frog" toy laptop.

That alone is enough to put question to the whole moon landing "story".

I've even heard stories of people sailing across the ocean powered only by the wind.

 

[MForbes]

Yup.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

If Neil Armstrong never walked on the moon, he wouldn't have secretly kept some of the equipment stashed at home as a souvenir for his family to find after his death.

Oh come on, people have been keeping movie props as souvenirs for ages. I have some props from Pirates of the Caribbean, does that mean I lived in the Golden Age of Piracy?

 

[The Liturgist]

While I'm not totally into the it was fake camp. It's still rather strange to me that landing on the Moon is considered a monumental feat these days, with today's technology, whereas multiple back to back moonwalks took place in the early 70s?

This is a state of the art hard drive from the early 70's. It weighed about 550 lbs (249 kg).

The interesting fact is that an early IBM DASD like that unit would still be large enough to run most of the embedded real time operating systems that are the bread and butter of my secular life.

The Lunar Guidance Computer, one of which has recently been restored to operation, however, did not require spinning platters, for it used a kind of woven magnetic core memory to store its systems software which was amazingly complex and has sadly become a lost art. But the Apollo Guidance Computer really is a delightful machine. The Space Shuttle and F117 programs were enabled by the development of digital fly by wire which was accomplished by reprogramming a Lunar Guidance Computer and installing it on a surplus Vought F-8 Crusader at Edwards, which was then used to develop the basics of a fly by wire computer control system which is required to fly aircraft like the F-117, B-2 and the Space Shuttle which lack dynamic stability in their flight controls.

 

[The Liturgist]

We had one SR-71 mission back in the early 80s on which the plane was flying south along the E/W German border, looking eastward into East Germany. It made the turn eastward along the southern border of East Germany, and then was supposed to make a big 180 turn to the west. The pilot's readout showed him what the navigational computer driving the plane was going to do a few seconds ahead of the aircraft automatically making the maneuver. Instead of seeing it prepare for a 180-degree turn, he saw it set up a 270-degree turn...which would have sent them directly into East Germany.

So, he turned off the computer and took manual control. The problem with that is in the SR-71, the navigational computer controls everything regarding navigation. Without it, they didn't even have so much as a compass. They were flying over an overcast sky, so they couldn't even see the ground. The pilot made what he reckoned to be a 180-degree turn so that they were at least heading west...as far as they could determine. But the imperative thing was to get to the English Channel, because that's where their refueling plane would be waiting. They couldn't land unless they refueled.

Every few minutes the pilot made a turn that he estimated kept him over western Europe, but they were essentially lost at MACH 3 and running out of fuel.

Where I was sitting in Omaha, NE, in the SACRECON Operations Center, we were in constant radio contact with the crew. Even though they were flying blind, lost, and running out of fuel at MACH 2, the pilot betrayed no excitement. He maintained that same laconic "astronaut-style" calm monotone: "SACRECON, we have a problem here."

That along with the dreaded “Engine Unstart” must have made the SR-71 an amazing experience. I was saddened recently when Major Brian Shul, who wrote Sled Driver and was involved in the amusing LA speed check incident, reposed. He was a great Christian and a superb pilot.

 

[RDKirk]

That along with the dreaded “Engine Unstart” must have made the SR-71 an amazing experience. I was saddened recently when Major Brian Shul, who wrote Sled Driver and was involved in the amusing LA speed check incident, reposed. He was a great Christian and a superb pilot.

Virtually all of the SR crew members had hundreds or thousands of hours in the F-4, which also had unstarts. The difference was that in an F-4, it wasn't anywhere near as violent and wasn't going to destroy the plane. In the Sled, they had to get that matter fixed within a few seconds.

 

[Michael Snow]

Agreed, the Van Allen Belts are not only our God-given protection, they are a restriction for the human body to go beyond them in space exploration. Instruments, yes; the human body, no. I don't need to go any farther than Psalms 115:16. "The heaven, even the heavens are the Lord's; but the earth hath He given to the children of men."

Single verse theology is the source of many false teachings. Denying the well documented moon landings involves bearing false witness against fellow Christians, violating the Bible's standard for establishing truth, and slander against faithful brothers in Christ. See last video at the end, here. The Rise of Demonic Spirits

 

[3 Resurrections]

Single verse theology is the source of many false teachings. Denying the well documented moon landings involves bearing false witness against fellow Christians, violating the Bible's standard for establishing truth, and slander against faithful brothers in Christ. See last video at the end, here

We are all instructed in the scriptures by Proverbs 14:15. "The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going..."

The government has a long and disturbing history of lying to the public over major and minor things across the board. The "well-documented" moon landings were not even well-staged. This is hardly "false witness" against fellow Christians. Trustful Christians have likewise been deluded by the government. I am not blaming them for being deceived - I blame the governmental powers that be for their deception of the public. We are not scripturally required to be naive and gullible. Only the simple will believe every word that their government tells them.

 

[Jipsah]

The "well-documented" moon landings were not even well-staged.

-sigh-

The effort required to maintain a bogus moon landing hoax would exceed that of actually going to the moon.

 

[d taylor]

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Men walked on the moon alright, they walked on Moon, Nevada.

 

[Jipsah]

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Men walked on the moon alright, they walked on Moon, Nevada.

And of course, the earth is flat, except for the really lumpy bits.

 

[Jipsah]

I've even heard stories of people sailing across the ocean powered only by the wind.

Obviously impossible.

 

[Jipsah]

The engineers today literally don't know how to use sliderules. They stopped using slide rules 50 years ago. I remember watching the engineering students switch from wearing sliderules on their belts to TI-50 calculators.

Ah, sliderules! Takes me back a half century or so. Fortunately for me I never had to use one, as I spent my whole professional life writing software. On the rare occasions when I had to do any serious calculating, I wrote a fortran routine to do it.

 

[d taylor]

And of course, the earth is flat, except for the really lumpy bits.

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You left off stationary

 

[The Liturgist]

Ah, sliderules! Takes me back a half century or so. Fortunately for me I never had to use one, as I spent my whole professional life writing software. On the rare occasions when I had to do any serious calculating, I wrote a fortran routine to do it.

Me too. It sounds like we were both fortunate enough to have access to computers thorughout our career. Indeed I never even had to deal with closed shop computing. That said, I have some minimal contact with Fortran, which is not as bad as some people say; I am thankful I never had to touch COBOL, and I am also very proud of the fact that I never learned BASIC, as I am inclined to believe the arguments of some that it confuses programmers and inculcates bad habits; the only case where I might conceivably have wanted to use BASIC would be if I had a Commodore or Apple system or another 8 bit system, and my grandfather did have a Commodore C64 which I liked, however, I am glad that he steered me away from 8 bit hardware.

I was blessed with access at a relatively young age to UNIX systems and I would say that UNIX has been one of the great loves of my life; not Linux, which has often come across as a cheap imitation of classical UNIX, but UNIX itself in all of its splendor. Even now I use the BSD operating systems (primarily FreeBSD and OpenBSD) and Illumos as much as possible, and avoid systemd based Linux distros like the plague. Linux was briefly fun before systemd, because of the choice of filesystems on offer and the fact that it resembled SysV UNIX (except on Slackware, which uses BSD style init), but systemd, wayland and so on are part of a nightmarish new reality in which concepts I was taught by programmers such as Eric S. Raymond are antithetical to UNIX are embraced

 

[The Liturgist]

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You left off stationary

Well its probably for the best he left that off, since a flat and stationary Earth is even more spectacularly implausible than a flat earth. The only way to get the gravitational effects like what a spherical earth provides over the entire surface of a flat Earth would be to have it accelerate through space like a constant-burn spacecraft at 1G.

By the way I would note that general relativity would still apply, and could still be independently verified, in the hypothetical flat earth topology.