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Scripture doesn't tell us that but it is likely. However the secret is "all the light he had". If we reject light are we living up to all the light we have?
Let's assume that he was. That means that he had made an idol, so he was breaking one of the 10.
No, if we reject light we are not living up to all the light we have.
So is the Christian world living up to all the light they have? Do you? Have you had scripture presented to you about the lives we need to live if we really love God? Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments. He didn't say keep my commandment. And even that commandment was given in the OT which according to every Sunday keeper I have talked to don't believe they need to keep any laws given to the Israelites/Jews.
Some are, some aren't
I try.
Yes, also scriptures that I've read myself.
Amen.
Sorry, I'm not following that sentence
The command to love God supremely and our neighbor as ourselves is an OT command.Some are, some aren't
I try.
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I have not yet received all these things. I have not yet reached my goal. Christ Jesus took hold of me so that I could reach that goal. So I keep pushing myself forward to reach it. Brothers and sisters, I don’t consider that I have taken hold of it yet. But here is the one thing I do. I forget...www.biblegateway.com
Yes, also scriptures that I've read myself.
But not every instruction in the scriptures applies to us.
Amen.
Sorry, I'm not following that sentence
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What I'm saying regarding the Ten Commandments and the other 603 is that there are more then just 10 that would apply to us today. But there doesn't seem to be any reasonable, scriptural way to divide up the 613 into today and yesterday. This affects how we keep the laws that apply to us today
Just like the 10 commandments. So why do you keep OT commandments? I've never met a Sunday keeper who believes they should obey any laws given to the Jews.
Right, there are moral Commandments that are not the 10.
There's wisdom in the principles behind Old Testament Commandments. But I don't think any of them should be kept to the letter.
Just as an example, the Old Testament law is to love your neighbor as yourself. The New Testament direction is to love others as Jesus loved us. It's a much higher standard, isn't it?
No. Loving your neighbor as yourself is the same. It's the same principle as loving God. It's impossible to love anyone more than that as it is all based on the principle of treating everyone equally, enemies as well as friends. That's what God does. If He didn't not a one of us could be redeemed.Right, there are moral Commandments that are not the 10.
In my conversation with the OP, @Icyspark , my impression was he was going to show me how to divide up the entire law. That led to this thread, as I remember the situation, in which I believe he wanted to show that the 10 were special.
There are special things about the 10, but they don't help us reach the conclusion that the entire law can be divided up in a reasonable, scriptural way.
That leads me to the conclusion that the entire law, all 613, has passed away.
There's wisdom in the principles behind Old Testament Commandments. But I don't think any of them should be kept to the letter.
Just as an example, the Old Testament law is to love your neighbor as yourself. The New Testament direction is to love others as Jesus loved us. It's a much higher standard, isn't it?
I think loving others as Jesus loved us is higher than loving our neighbor as ourselves. We may not love ourselves as much as Jesus loves us. But we are called to love others as much as Jesus loves us.
I don't understand you. Would you, or would you not, want your neighbor to give up his life for you, your wife or your kids if you needed it? Would you do the same for him? If not then you are not living up to the Golden Rule which Jesus says is the law and the prophets.
I would. However, I was saying that loving others as Jesus loved us is a higher kind of love than loving our neighbors as ourselves. That's how it looks to me
I like to think that I will
Sounds good! If the entire law is made up of moral Commandments, then there are many more than just 10 moral Commandments
No. Remember who is talking. He is a Jew. He defeated the devil with OT scripture. He gave the 10 commandments on Sinai. He is not a modern Gentile.I would. However, I was saying that loving others as Jesus loved us is a higher kind of love than loving our neighbors as ourselves. That's how it looks to me
I like to think that I will
Sounds good! If the entire law is made up of moral Commandments, then there are many more than just 10 moral Commandments
I know your position on the Sabbath, but in the post below, it sounded to me like you were saying the entire law was a moral commandment.Yes. I meant that the Sabbath commandment was still in force. You ought to know that with as many times as we've talked about it.
No, Jesus would never have said that in the way you mean by the law and the prophets. What He said was that to love our neighbor as ourselves was the law and the prophets. By that He could not have looked at hings the way you mean them. He knew the sacrificial system was coming to an end at His death and that the ceremonial laws were coming to a close. He also knew the Talmud was full of hate as that is where the Pharisees took the vast majority of their beliefs.
Some of those 603 are completely ridiculous as one is thou shalt not rob openly. So robbing someone behind the scenes is OK? The 10 commandment's principles cover all forms of morality so there is no need for all the fluff and detail. It's legalism in the extreme. It's based upon the Pharisees ideas of "protecting the law" by creating myriads of rules to govern all possible human actions and we see how well that works in the murder of Jesus.
