Is there an absolute morality?

[Larniavc]

then I'm guessing you always do everything right, or are always right, etc?

You would guess wrong.

 

[Larniavc]

And as for the other, I guess you could say that in general, or generally I guess, but the specifics are a bit more complicated.

Like what?

 

[Neogaia777]

Like what?

What do you mean "like what", etc?

In all those instances that all the philosophers endlessly debate, and have built whole schools of thought and entire college courses around, etc. Where a good can be bad, and a bad can be good, and all of those kinds of things, etc. Where they endlessly debate whether the ends justifies the means, or the means justifies the ends, etc.

God Bless

 

[Neogaia777]

You would guess wrong.

You don't feel guilt whenever you are wrong, or have done wrong, etc?

God Bless.

 

[Larniavc]

You don't feel guilt whenever you are wrong, or have done wrong, etc?

God Bless.

Correct. I already said that.

 

[Neogaia777]

Correct. I already said that.

Do you feel anything at all when you have ever been wrong, or ever done wrong at all, etc?

And if so, what is the feeling you would get, or what would you call it, etc?

You're not a sociopath, are you?

God Bless.

 

[Bradskii]

Correct. I already said that.

I might join in here...

Do you know you are doing wrong when you do it? Because conscience, although it often kicks in post fact ('Gee, I shouldn't have done that - I feel guilty'), it's also available prior to the fact. So we think 'Gee, I shouldn't do that - I will feel guilty'. Notwithstanding that someone may suffer as a result.

 

[Neogaia777]

I feel guilty a lot, or a lot of the time, sometimes even about doing something good, or that turned out good, and sometimes even just for putting myself out there, when maybe I knew that the wisest course is maybe that I shouldn't have, etc, and I wrestle with that or these or those kinds of feelings all of the time, etc.

I'm constantly in question with that about myself, etc.

Compulsion is constantly getting the better of me, etc

God Bless.

 

[Larniavc]

Do you feel anything at all when you have ever been wrong, or ever done wrong at all, etc?

Only worry that I might get caught.

Am I a sociopath? No. I experience the full range of emotions; just not guilt.

 

[Bradskii]

Only worry that I might get caught.

Am I a sociopath? No. I experience the full range of emotions; just not guilt.

I always say that an immoral act is one that causes harm. If no harm has been caused then nothing wrong has been done. So you can actually do wrong to someone, you can harm them and the only thing that might prevent you from doing it is being caught?

In other words, there's nothing to stop you if there's a guarantee that you'd never be found out?

 

[Larniavc]

I might join in here...

Do you know you are doing wrong when you do it? Because conscience, although it often kicks in post fact ('Gee, I shouldn't have done that - I feel guilty'), it's also available prior to the fact. So we think 'Gee, I shouldn't do that - I will feel guilty'. Notwithstanding that someone may suffer as a result.

Interesting question. I wouldn’t voluntarily do something I thought might cause complications but if I did something that later caused complications I normally just think ‘seemed like a good idea at the time’ turn it into a learning experience and move on.

I certainly don’t ruminate on it.

 

[Larniavc]

I'm constantly in question with that about myself, etc.

Compulsion is constantly getting the better of me, etc

That sounds tough. I don’t experience that.

 

[Bradskii]

Interesting question. I wouldn’t voluntarily do something I thought might cause complications but if I did something that later caused complications I normally just think ‘seemed like a good idea at the time’ turn it into a learning experience and move on.

I certainly don’t ruminate on it.

Forget 'complications'. I'm talking about doing wrong. That is, actually and knowingly causing harm. See my last post.

 

[Larniavc]

So you can actually do wrong to someone, you can harm them and the only thing that might prevent you from doing it is being caught?

No, it’s not just about getting caught. Even if you don’t get caught that kind of behaviour often causes all sorts of complications that are best avoided.

In fact I go out of my way to be a witty, friendly supportive type because people in my experience people reflect back the behaviour you expose them to.

It’s worked for nearly 50 years so I reckon I may be on to something.

 

[Larniavc]

That is, actually and knowingly causing harm. See my last post.

That is exactly the kind of behaviour that causes problems down the line. It’s just not constructive to do so.

So if I did do something like that it would go into the category of ‘seemed like a good idea at the time for reasons x, y and z.’

I really don’t see the point of dwelling on something you have done. Learn from it and move on. Easy peasy.

 

[Neogaia777]

That sounds tough. I don’t experience that.

Yeah, I don't know if that's a good thing, etc.

God Bless

 

[Neogaia777]

Interesting question. I wouldn’t voluntarily do something I thought might cause complications but if I did something that later caused complications I normally just think ‘seemed like a good idea at the time’ turn it into a learning experience and move on.

I certainly don’t ruminate on it.

You are actually not learning nearly as much as you think you are learning if you never have any kind of bad or convicting type feelings about it ever at all whatsoever, etc.

I suspect you actually do, but just don't want to call them that or something, etc.

Thinking "seemed like a good idea at the time", and then just always blowing of the fact that you were or might have been wrong always, then I can pretty much 100% guarantee you that you're not ever learning anything new at all, but are only stunting how much you could truly grow, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

Only worry that I might get caught.

Am I a sociopath? No. I experience the full range of emotions; just not guilt.

Then that's not the full range of emotions, etc.

Because I'm betting you never feel shame or regret either, etc.

Do you even feel sorrow, or ever even feel sorry about anything ever at all ever?

Not even for a fraction of a second before you instantly dismiss it maybe ever at all ever, etc?

Because that's most definitely not the full range of emotions, etc, and if you don't ever feel any of these kinds of things or feelings like ever, etc, then that's the clinical definition of sociopathy, etc.

I don't think your a sociopath though, but I do maybe suspect just a hint of dishonesty on your part maybe, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Divide]

Interesting question. I wouldn’t voluntarily do something I thought might cause complications but if I did something that later caused complications I normally just think ‘seemed like a good idea at the time’ turn it into a learning experience and move on.

I certainly don’t ruminate on it.

So, you do listen to your conscience then? It sounds like it.

 

[Bradskii]

No, it’s not just about getting caught. Even if you don’t get caught that kind of behaviour often causes all sorts of complications that are best avoided.

Well, yeah. Complications such as people being hurt. So you try to avoid that. So it's not that you simply 'Only worry that I might get caught.' You actively avoid causing harm. And if you happen to do so you don't dwell on it.

Maybe I'm missing something here. But you sound a lot like most people I know.