Israel-Hamas Thread II

[truthpls]

On Tuesday, John Kirby, spokesman for the National Security Council, said that intelligence supports Israel's claims about Hamas activities in hospitals.

"I can confirm for you that we have information that Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad use some hospitals in the Gaza Strip, including al-Shifa, and tunnels underneath them, to conceal and to support their military operations and to hold hostages," Kirby told reporters on Air Force One.

Then show the information! Like anyone believes the US?

 

[rjs330]

OK So maybe we agree?

If you agree with post 467 then yes we do agree.

 

[Desk trauma]

So any claim coming from them must be verifed.

But death tolls sourced from hamas are to be taken at face value clearly.

 

[rjs330]

They accuse others of stuff. Where is the independent verification? Why evacuate witnesses from the hospital before 'discovering' some car with weapons or something? We do know the IDF has killed over 11,000 people, none of whom I recall were verified to be Hamas. So any claim coming from them must be verifed.

No it doesn't. You can't verify this stuff. This is a war between Hamas terrorists and Israel. You either believe known terrorists who murdered 1200 people and have been launching rockets and attacking Israel forever and who have shown a complete total disregard for the truth and life or you choose to believe a country that has gone above and beyond to try and preserve life.

They aren't accusing others. They are accusing terrorists who have ZERO credibility umm... Because they are terrorists. Evil wicked and depraved men.

There is NO moral equivalence between the two. Don't pretend there is.

 

[truthpls]

If you agree with post 467 then yes we do agree.

The question arises, did Hamas use the hospital or is Israel using it now as a safe place and to stage weapons 'finds' etc? Who really knows?

 

[truthpls]

But death tolls sourced from hamas are to be taken at face value clearly.

If there was not something akin to carpet bombing that had been going on, maybe we would have other sources.

 

[rjs330]

Then show the information! Like anyone believes the US?

Like anyone believes a terrorist organization. Oh wait...

 

[truthpls]

No it doesn't. You can't verify this stuff. This is a war between Hamas terrorists and Israel.

Then none of it can be believed. I would hardly call it a war. More of a collective punishment and moving in on territory.

You either believe known terrorists who murdered 1200 people and have been launching rockets and attacking Israel forever and who have shown a complete total disregard for the truth and life or you choose to believe a country that has gone above and beyond to try and preserve life.

I sure do not believe Israel when it killed 11000 people or so. Doctors in hospitals were saying Israel was attacking and causing sick people to die etc. Do we discount all doctors also?

They aren't accusing others. They are accusing terrorists who have ZERO credibility umm... Because they are terrorists. Evil wicked and depraved men.

There is NO moral equivalence between the two. Don't pretend there is.

How does one measure 'moral equivalence' between terrorists?

 

[truthpls]

Like anyone believes a terrorist organization. Oh wait...

The CIA is not believable. Israel who has killed 11,000 or whatever now is not believable. Not all news in Gaza comes from Hamas does it?

 

[Desk trauma]

The question arises, did Hamas use the hospital

Only if one pretends hamas wasn’t there and the IDF is doing this out of pure cruelty with no strategic objective.

 

[Desk trauma]

How does one measure 'moral equivalence' between terrorists?

In this case we don’t have to.

 

[Vambram]

See what CNN reporter saw inside hospital basement in Gaza

This is an eight minute video from CNN. I believe it is very informative. At the 4:30 time stamp in the video, the CNN reporter is escorted to, and then into a hospital in Gaza.

 

[rjs330]

If there was not something akin to carpet bombing that had been going on, maybe we would have other sources.

Oh wait, do you know what carpet bombing is? Because this statement is pretty clear that there is a misunderstanding what carpet bombing is.

 

[rjs330]

See what CNN reporter saw inside hospital basement in Gaza

This is an eight minute video from CNN. I believe it is very informative. At the 4:30 time stamp in the video, the CNN reporter is escorted to, and then into a hospital in Gaza.

Oh come on, don't you know that Israel just planted all this stuff and THEN invited CNN in?

Some people are just pro-Hamas. I really wish they were there to see for themselves the difference between a terrorist organization and Israel. Until that happens they are just going to remain anti-Semetic.

 

[truthpls]

Only if one pretends hamas wasn’t there and the IDF is doing this out of pure cruelty with no strategic objective.

Unless verification exists, who could say?

 

[truthpls]

In this case we don’t have to.

You brought it up. Israel killed a lot more children. Does that count?

 

[Desk trauma]

You brought it up. Israel killed a lot more children. Does that count?

Israel and the IDF are not terrorist organizations hence no need to try to compare terrorist groups to each other. I thought that would have been clear.

 

[truthpls]

Oh wait, do you know what carpet bombing is? Because this statement is pretty clear that there is a misunderstanding what carpet bombing is.

Do you know what 'akin' means?

"Most of the bombing was carried out by U.S. Air Force (USAF) B-52 bombers. While the effectiveness of the bombing and the number of Cambodians killed by U.S. bombing remains in dispute, civilian fatalities were easily in the tens of thousands.[11]"

Operation Freedom Deal - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A carpet bombing operation by the US killed tens of thousands. Israel has killed over 11,000 so far and the toll is rising fast. So I see that as similar indiscreet attacking of civilians. Technically we would use another word, but to get the idea across, using the phrase akin to carpet bombing suffices. Add to that TARGETING apartment buildings, fleeing convoys, hospitals, and displacing a major population, and cutting of water and necessities, and the only word that fits is TERRORISM.

 

[Desk trauma]

Unless verification exists, who could say?

Anyone who has a passing familiarity with the tactics of hamas.

 

[truthpls]

Israel and the IDF are not terrorist organizations hence no need to try to compare terrorist groups to each other. I thought that would have been clear.

Actions speak louder than silly words.