Israel-Hamas Thread II

[Vanellus]

Uhhhhh, because I re-watched the vid and caught what the soldier was saying and didn't need Abraxos to reply?.......which he hasn't. Maybe he caught on to what I was saying......sorry you didn't......

I just find it odd you posted a reply to your own post which starts "never mind".

 

[Tinker Grey]

I just find it odd you posted a reply to your own post which starts "never mind".

It just means he(?) answered his own. Therefore "never mind".

 

[rjs330]

Oh, they did plant it. Those comical boxes with large English words on them were also used as props as "irrefutable proof" Hamas were conducting military operations.

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Now I see what your problem is. Trusting anti-Semites on X.

 

[rjs330]

A Kalashnikov, a laptop and a uniform hidden "secretly" behind an MRI machine does not add up to a huge Hamas central complex.

You do realise without independent witnesses this military kit could easily have been planted by the IDF. I don't know whether or not they did plant this stuff but it is perfectly possible. Ask yourself why there were no independent witnesses to confirm their claims.

I called it everyone. I knew it was coming.

 

[Vanellus]

Apparently Israel did build an underground bunker and associated tunnels under al Shifa back in 1983 so it is possible, once it has been kitted out to look like Hamas were using it, we will be seeing another IDF tunnel tour video

MSN.

Fact Check: Did Israel Build Bunker Under Shifa Hospital?​

The Facts

The bunker, reportedly constructed decades ago, includes a secure underground operating room and tunnel network.

Reports by left-wing Israeli newspaper Haaretz and other outlets have specifically mentioned the hospital's Building No. 2, which it says was built as an add-on in the mid-1980s and contains a large cement basement initially intended for laundry and administrative tasks.

The excavation of the underground concrete floor was corroborated by online English-language Israeli publication Ynetnews.

 

[rjs330]

Apparently Israel did build an underground bunker and associated tunnels under al Shifa back in 1983 so it is possible, once it has been kitted out to look like Hamas were using it, we will be seeing another IDF tunnel tour video

MSN.

Fact Check: Did Israel Build Bunker Under Shifa Hospital?​

Did you happen to catch the fact that Israel built this as a civic add on to the hospital in Gaza? Here they were HELPING the Gazans.

Secondly this so called bunker is a basement for admin and laundry. It was not built to be a bunker. The fact that Hamas was using it as a military base is a violation of international law and a crime.

We all know what you are trying to do here. I think it's pretty obvious anymore. Spreading anti-Semetic propaganda.

 

[rjs330]

We've known since 2014 that Hamas has headquarters under hospitals. It's known throughout the world.

Israel has released video of evidence that Hamas is under hospitals. This isn't some sort of kids game of tag in the back yard. Hamas doesn't get to claim a hospital or school is a safe base. To make that claim you have just provided terrorists incentive to have bases in and under hospitals and schools etc. This gives terrorists permission to launch attacks from hospitals and schools. What kind of foolish and idiotic policy is this?

 

[trophy33]

We've known since 2014 that Hamas has headquarters under hospitals. It's known throughout the world.

Israel has released video of evidence that Hamas is under hospitals. This isn't some sort of kids game of tag in the back yard. Hamas doesn't get to claim a hospital or school is a safe base. To make that claim you have just provided terrorists incentive to have bases in and under hospitals and schools etc. This gives terrorists permission to launch attacks from hospitals and schools. What kind of foolish and idiotic policy is this?

What are you trying to say? That the policy "not to bomb schools and hospitals" is idiotic?

 

[rjs330]

What are you trying to say? That the policy "not to bomb schools and hospitals" is idiotic?

Reads post again...... Nope didn't say that.
I said to make hospitals and schools should not be safe zones for terrorists. Are you saying they should be?

 

[trophy33]

I said to make hospitals and schools should not be safe zones for terrorists.

What do you mean? That if there is a terrorist with a notebook or with a gun somewhere under the hospital, its Ok to bomb the hospital with hundreds or thousands of people? The same with schools or churches. Be clear. What is "the idiotic policy" you talk about?

 

[JosephZ]

I called it everyone. I knew it was coming.

The claim was made by the IDF that there was a Hamas HQ under Al Shifa Hospital. The Whitehouse said "We have information that confirms that Hamas is using that particular hospital for a command and control node and probably to store weapons."

The evidence shown so far doesn't support those claims in any way. There are 7 million people in the US that have bigger gun collections than what was found at that hospital, and it's very possible that the guns that were found belonged to hospital security. There was no command center found, no high-ranking Hamas leaders at the hospital, no sign of hostages being held, and no evidence of tunnels leading to or from the hospital. Unless future evidence shows otherwise, the IDF's claims were a complete fail.

 

[wing2000]

The claim was made by the IDF that there was a Hamas HQ under Al Shifa Hospital. The Whitehouse said "We have information that confirms that Hamas is using that particular hospital for a command and control node and probably to store weapons."

The evidence shown so far doesn't support those claims in any way. There are 7 million people in the US that have bigger gun collections than what was found at that hospital, and it's very possible that the guns that were found belonged to hospital security. There was no command center found, no high-ranking Hamas leaders at the hospital, no sign of hostages being held, and no evidence of tunnels leading to or from the hospital. Unless future evidence shows otherwise, the IDF's claims were a complete fail.

It may turn out to be the case though it's still early. The IDF has only had control of the hospital for 36 hours or so.

Here's my question: Why are there any arms inside a hospital?

 

[JosephZ]

Here's my question: Why are there any arms inside a hospital?

Security guards at the hospital would be armed.

 

[JosephZ]

Israeli forces have dropped leaflets warning Palestinians to leave parts of southern Gaza, residents have told Reuters.

Similar notices were dropped over northern Gaza for weeks ahead of the ground invasion. People had been told to go south, so today's development will cause concern.

Israel-Gaza latest: Three options for what Israel does next in fight with Hamas

Israeli forces have dropped leaflets warning Palestinians to leave parts of southern Gaza. Meanwhile, Joe Biden said a two-state solution would be the only way to solve the conflict.

news.sky.com

 

[Vanellus]

The claim was made by the IDF that there was a Hamas HQ under Al Shifa Hospital. The Whitehouse said "We have information that confirms that Hamas is using that particular hospital for a command and control node and probably to store weapons."

The evidence shown so far doesn't support those claims in any way. There are 7 million people in the US that have bigger gun collections than what was found at that hospital, and it's very possible that the guns that were found belonged to hospital security. There was no command center found, no high-ranking Hamas leaders at the hospital, no sign of hostages being held, and no evidence of tunnels leading to or from the hospital. Unless future evidence shows otherwise, the IDF's claims were a complete fail.

Another possibility is that they were planted. But Israel knows there is an underground bunker since it was built by Israel in the 1980s. Once they have suitably kitted it out I'm expecting a fantastic expose by the ever truthful (not) IDF.

 

[Vanellus]

Continued prayers for the hostages .....
Hamas needs to release the hostages' immediately and stop launching rockets at civilians in Israel, surrender so that the killing and destruction can end.

All the killing and destruction is caused and continues because of Hamas.

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Both sides need to stop the killing now. Hamas needs to release the hostages and Israel needs to release the minors detained without charge. Sometimes they can be as young as five. You can see this dangerous terrorist in this video, he's the one in the red T-shirt

On Tuesday, 9 July 2013, at around 3:30 P.M., seven soldiers and an officer detained Wadi' Maswadeh, who is five years and nine months old (his birthdate on his mother's ID card: 24 September 2007) close to 'Abed checkpoint, near the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron, after he threw a stone. B'Tselem field researcher Manal al-Ja'bari, who was present at the scene, recorded the entire event on video. After local residents who had gathered at the spot tried to intervene, the soldiers put the crying child into a jeep with another Palestinian resident and took him home. When they reached the house, the officer informed Wadi's mother that he intended to hand him over to the Palestinian Police. The mother refused to let them take the child before his father, Karam, came home. About half an hour after Wadi' was detained, Karam Maswadeh came home. The officer informed Maswadeh that he was arresting his son in order to hand him over to the Palestinian Police. Meanwhile, Wadi' had spent the entire time hiding behind a pile of mattresses in the house and crying. The parents made it clear to the officer that the child is five years old, but the officer insisted on taking him to the DCO and threatened them, saying that the army would arrest the father if they did not comply. The soldiers then made Karam and his son leave the house and walk to the army camp on a-Shuhada street.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Israeli troops scour Gaza’s al-Shifa Hospital for evidence of Hamas presence​

Israel also said no further evidence of Hamas activities in the hospital was scheduled to be made public for now, following the release Wednesday of photographs and video showing small caches of rifles and laptops that the Israel Defense Forces identified as Hamas material. The military did not show evidence of tunnels or a command center it has said exists under the hospital.

“I can confirm now that the operation is still ongoing,” an Israel Defense Forces spokesman said Thursday. “All the publishable evidence was released.”

The IDF said special forces soldiers were continuing to search the hospital compound one building at a time, floor-by-floor. “The operation is shaped by our understanding that there is well-hidden terrorist infrastructure in the complex,” according to a statement.

An official in the office of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday that any further evidence would be made public as soon as possible and that journalists would be given a chance to tour the sites.

Israel had hoped the controversial raid would turn up firm evidence of substantial militant activity in al-Shifa, a European diplomat told the Post on Thursday. But the absence of clear proof to date has already led Western allies, including the United States, to increase pressure on Israel to accept a pause in fighting, said the diplomat, who spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the situation.

Commentators in Israel said the military would need to show more evidence to support assertions that Shifa has been a Hamas stronghold for more than a decade

Aid groups said they had lost touch with their teams inside the hospital, and repeated calls to doctors and workers there have gone straight to voice mail.

Mohamed Zaqout, the chief of Gaza’s hospital network who is not at the hospital, said the communications failure has kept his team from determining the condition and location of about 650 patients in al-Shifa, including children and dialysis patients in serious condition. “We have been trying since the morning to communicate and coordinate with the Red Cross to transfer them to hospitals in the southern Gaza Strip, but there is no result so far,” he said in a phone interview.

 

[essentialsaltes]

‘Conflicting statements’ complicate investigation into Jewish man’s death at protest​

The suspect, who was identified only as a 50-year-old man from Moorpark, cooperated with deputies, telling officials that he was “involved in an altercation with Mr. Kessler,” Fryhoff said. The suspect was among those who called 911 after Kessler fell, the sheriff said.

Arrest made in death of Jewish protester who fell and hit his head​

Loay Alnaji was arrested Thursday on suspicion of involuntary manslaughter and his bail will be set at $1 million, the news release said.

[Other reports suggest Alnaji is a computer science professor at Moorpark College.]

 

[wing2000]

Security guards at the hospital would be armed.

By Thursday afternoon, the only evidence that the Israeli military had so far provided publicly of Al-Shifa’s purported dual use was video showing some weapons and equipment — about a dozen guns, a grenade, protective vests and military uniforms — that it said soldiers found within an M.R.I. unit at the hospital. The New York Times has been unable to verify the provenance of the weapons.

Israel-Hamas War: Israeli Forces Comb Gaza Hospital for 2nd Day (Published 2023)

The Israeli military said it had recovered the body of a hostage kidnapped in the Oct. 7 Hamas attack, from a building near Al-Shifa Hospital. It presented weapons it said it found at the hospital, which it says Hamas used as a base.

www.nytimes.com

IMO, Hamas has been using the hospital for military purposes. Hamas is savy enough to have to have moved out long before the IDF arrived...as they knew it would reflect badly on the Israelis ...which, afterall, is one of the main objectives of their attack on Israel.

 

[Pommer]

IMO, Hamas has been using the hospital for military purposes. Hamas is savy enough to have to have moved out long before the IDF arrived...as they knew it would reflect badly on the Israelis ...which, afterall, is one of the main objectives of their attack on Israel.

Gee, too bad for Hamas that in withdrawing from their base there, in/under the hospital (that had been built by Israel in the past[?]), that someone “forgot” these incriminating items, huh?