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To the extent that Israel does, it is 'better' than a terrorist organization. However, it's not clear that Israel discriminates to the extent required by international law, and many observers doubt that they are.
I dont get how people could think Israel would just threaten or degrade hospitals for no good military reason. This PR is obviously terrible for them.NYT's David Leonhardt writes:
The Debate Over Al-Shifa (Published 2023)
The battle over the hospital highlights the lack of simple answers in Gaza.www.nytimes.com
- A New York Times journalist in 2008 watched armed Hamas militants walking around Al-Shifa Hospital in civilian clothes and witnessed Hamas execute a Palestinian man accused of collaborating with Israel.
- Amnesty International concluded that in 2014 Hamas used parts of Al-Shifa “to detain, interrogate, torture and otherwise ill-treat suspects, even as other parts of the hospital continued to function as a medical center.”
- More recently, Israel has released audio recordings that purport to contain conversations in which Hamas fighters discuss tunnels under Al-Shifa as well as videos of interrogations in which captured militants discuss the tunnels.
- Israeli officials allowed Times reporters to view photographs that appear to show secret entrances inside the hospital that lead to a military compound underneath.
- U.S. officials say their own intelligence also indicates Hamas has built a tunnel network under Al-Shifa that includes command and control areas as well as weapons storage.
- Hamas has a long history of placing its operations in hospitals, mosques and other civilian areas so that Israel must risk killing innocent bystanders — and thereby damage its reputation — to attack Hamas fighters. “I’ve seen these things for myself,” Steven Erlanger, a longtime Times correspondent, has said on “The Daily” podcast.
From your article: "Some were interrogated and tortured or otherwise ill-treated in a disused outpatient’s clinic within the grounds of Gaza City’s main al-Shifa hospital." It's no surprise that Hamas torture people. al Shifa is a big site it's not just one building - so this says there was one instance of Hamas using an empty disused clinic for torture nine years ago. That is very different from having a command base there now. Israel is bombing the hospital now not nine years ago.NYT's David Leonhardt writes:
The Debate Over Al-Shifa (Published 2023)
The battle over the hospital highlights the lack of simple answers in Gaza.
- A New York Times journalist in 2008 watched armed Hamas militants walking around Al-Shifa Hospital in civilian clothes and witnessed Hamas execute a Palestinian man accused of collaborating with Israel.
- Amnesty International concluded that in 2014 Hamas used parts of Al-Shifa “to detain, interrogate, torture and otherwise ill-treat suspects, even as other parts of the hospital continued to function as a medical center.”
- More recently, Israel has released audio recordings that purport to contain conversations in which Hamas fighters discuss tunnels under Al-Shifa as well as videos of interrogations in which captured militants discuss the tunnels.
- Israeli officials allowed Times reporters to view photographs that appear to show secret entrances inside the hospital that lead to a military compound underneath.
- U.S. officials say their own intelligence also indicates Hamas has built a tunnel network under Al-Shifa that includes command and control areas as well as weapons storage.
- Hamas has a long history of placing its operations in hospitals, mosques and other civilian areas so that Israel must risk killing innocent bystanders — and thereby damage its reputation — to attack Hamas fighters. “I’ve seen these things for myself,” Steven Erlanger, a longtime Times correspondent, has said on “The Daily” podcast.
Not when you have nothing but disdain for them it's not.....
Nope, nothing. It is like my browser doesn't even realize they are there.....really odd....
Well, that is obvious.....you can look at the dates and tell that. What does the writing at the very top of the calendar say? (assuming you can read Arabic)
NM, the video explains it. The big unanswered question is "Who were these guards guarding?" We can make some good (probably very accurate) assumptions especially since the calendar starts out on 10/7.
It didn't add up to the main Hamas base then so it's only speculation about the current situation.
A simple alternative explanation is that it's an underground shelter used by hospital patients and staff used in times of bombardment and the guards' rota is simply a hand written calendar.
Another heroic act by the brave soldiers of the IDF who are so much better than their Hamas enemy.
That just happens to start on October 7?......uh-huh.......I got a bridge for sale in NY if you are interested.
This is your post #389:You are falling behind. Try to keep up.
NM, the video explains it. The big unanswered question is "Who were these guards guarding?" We can make some good (probably very accurate) assumptions especially since the calendar starts out on 10/7.
Why didn't you add to your post #388 as that was your reply to Abraxos?
Remember that the IDF man claimed that the writing above the dates were the names of the Hamas guards (why would they give their names away?) but Arab linguists have stated they are the names of the days of the week. Kind of throws doubt on his other claims doesn't it. There is a repeat pattern of length seven days - and allowing for the poor handwriting they do look like the Arabic days of the week. Still given that you swallow everything the IDF says without question I know you will not be convinced. A start date of October 7 could just mean the hospital staff kept abreast of the important to them news event.
BBC News reported the explosion as an Israeli airstrike, and then, when evidence made it clear that it was a misfired Hamas rocket, it had to go into urgent damage control. It is interesting that no apology from either the BBC New nor The New York Times to Israel was made for their false reporting.
